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| Tweet Topic Started: May 10 2009, 05:21 PM (802 Views) | |
| United States [Sel] | May 10 2009, 05:21 PM Post #1 |
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Or maybe that's only for dirty Jews... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090510/ap_on_...lanka_civil_war
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| zzdoncampos | May 10 2009, 05:24 PM Post #2 |
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No one cares about Sri Lanka. |
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| zzvastgulf | May 10 2009, 05:26 PM Post #3 |
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Yeah. If someone had blown up 378 Jews, you better believe we'd all be getting an earful. But if "brown people" from somewhere else get blown apart, it won't even make the front page. |
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| Russia (X) | May 10 2009, 05:34 PM Post #4 |
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Sel's pro-Israel. He means that he figures Israel wouldn't have gotten away with this. Ironically, shelling a civilian-filled area is very similar to what Israel did in Operation Cast Lead. It's wrong, yes. In Canada, there was outraged. The Tamil community was protesting and shit a few weeks ago. |
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| Dax | May 10 2009, 05:35 PM Post #5 |
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It was on BBC World News front page :-P |
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| zzrollo | May 10 2009, 05:47 PM Post #6 |
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The Tamil people are one of the few groups that I feel any legitimate connection with. Seriously, they deserve better. |
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| zzvastgulf | May 10 2009, 05:51 PM Post #7 |
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I don't get EVERY newspaper! :lol: Seriously though, something should be done. |
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| zzbobpalindrome | May 10 2009, 06:09 PM Post #8 |
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It isn't really clear whether the civilians were killed by the rebels or the government, although I certainly wouldn't paint either side as angelic A lot of it has to do with media coverage. Israel, although technically not a European nation, is still considered "Western". I used to wonder why the Troubles in Northern Ireland and the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and the Balkan wars received more attention than other ethnic/territorial/sectarian conflicts and it really just boils down to how much media attention is paid and how close the place in question is to the West. Conflicts in Africa, Asia and the Middle East are just a little too obscure to care about, but when it's happening in or near your backyard uh-oh look out! |
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| Russia (X) | May 10 2009, 06:24 PM Post #9 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model
1. Ownership would avoid conflict with a government. 2. N/A 3. The violence is constant, it is not very attractive sourcing 4. This news might change public opinion of the LTTE ("Tamil Tigers") 5. This news might change public on the opinion of the LTTE ("Tamil Tigers"), who are considered a terrorist organization in the West. This news fails 4/5 filters. Naturally, coverage will be lower. |
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| Max | May 10 2009, 06:53 PM Post #10 |
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Tamil Tigers got what they deserved. |
[align=center] [/align]I watched them strap him into the seat and shut the door. He might of looked a bit nervous about it but that was about all. I really believe that he knew he was going to be in hell in fifteen minutes. I believe that. And I've thought about that a lot. He was not hard to talk to. Called me Sheriff. But I didn't know what to say to him. What do you say to a man that by his own admission he has no soul? Why would you say anything? I've thought about it a good deal. Cormac McCarthy | |
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| Russia (X) | May 10 2009, 07:08 PM Post #11 |
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Maybe so, but the civvies didn't. |
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| Max | May 10 2009, 07:15 PM Post #12 |
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Please, there isn't one innocent civy there - the Tamil Tigers are, above all else, a grass roots movement, and a blood thirsty one at that. Whomever hasn't helped them, is either dead or has migrated from the area to India (or other parts of Sri Lanka) a long time ago. Whatever is left is their supporters, from their home territories - those people, you can be assured, have done as much to pull the trigger on thousands of lives then the Tigers and National Army. |
[align=center] [/align]I watched them strap him into the seat and shut the door. He might of looked a bit nervous about it but that was about all. I really believe that he knew he was going to be in hell in fifteen minutes. I believe that. And I've thought about that a lot. He was not hard to talk to. Called me Sheriff. But I didn't know what to say to him. What do you say to a man that by his own admission he has no soul? Why would you say anything? I've thought about it a good deal. Cormac McCarthy | |
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| Russia (X) | May 10 2009, 07:20 PM Post #13 |
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Oh come on, Moorginton. No one under 18 is legally a soldier (foo'). Not everyone living in a war zone is necessarily LTTE. Applying such a risky generalization, is, well, dangerous. That kind of reasoning is goes very well with what Al-Qaeda considers acceptable (All Westerners are corrupt, they are therefore all criminals, they are therefore all legitimate targets). |
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| zzdoncampos | May 10 2009, 07:28 PM Post #14 |
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Does the LTTE have an age limit? (Serious question) Also, While they my not be soldiers they can still support the LTTE in many ways. Personally, If they do they are fair game. |
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| Russia (X) | May 10 2009, 07:35 PM Post #15 |
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No they are not. Not to be killed at random anyways. To be detained reasonably and prosecuted under Sri Lankan criminal law, yes. No, the LTTE uses child soldiers. Which makes it's recruiters war criminals (legally). I don't support them, however, not every Tamil child is a child soldier. Even then, looking at child soldiers like Ismael (spelling?) Beah or whatever his name is, the thing that we've learned is that they're rehabilitation, and they are at their hearts kids like any other kid. There is a very big distinction between a child soldier and an adult soldier, in particular in the manner that an adult can feel, kill, and hate for a cause, whereas with a child this is more easily reversible. |
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| zzvastgulf | May 10 2009, 07:36 PM Post #16 |
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Does that include if they grow the food the Tamil Tigers eat, or tend their wounds, or clean their clothing, or fix their shoes? This "Anyone who helps them in any way IS ONE OF THEM!!1!" ideology is quickly paralleling Nazi-ish thinking. |
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| zzdoncampos | May 10 2009, 07:43 PM Post #17 |
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Hmmm, Depending on the circumstances yes, yes, yes, yes. |
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| zzvastgulf | May 10 2009, 07:45 PM Post #18 |
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Could you define those circumstances? |
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| zzdoncampos | May 10 2009, 07:50 PM Post #19 |
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Knowingly, Those are my circumstances. If I grow to feed the LTTE or tend to them, or fix there kit then that would be a "fair game" child and/or person to me. Of Course, If they sell, treat, or work for the LTTE and they don't make it known that they are LTTE then there is no problem. |
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| Russia (X) | May 10 2009, 07:56 PM Post #20 |
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You are a farmer, Rommel (pretend, for this analogy). You grow food which you know is used in US Army rations. Does that make you a military target, Rommel? Could someone kill you and say: ":o he's Army, it's a war ..." Would that be legitimate? Maybe this uncovers an unintentional prejudice in this conversation? *think about it* : |
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| zzdoncampos | May 10 2009, 07:58 PM Post #21 |
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Does the military come directly to you and buy it? |
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| Russia (X) | May 10 2009, 08:00 PM Post #22 |
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Do they? I'm pretty sure you'd have a gov't contract for that. If the livelihood of your family depends on selling your food, and you're in a war zone (Northern Sri Lanka), you'd be selling to anyone who buys, anyways. That's simply the reality of the situation. |
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| United States [Sel] | May 10 2009, 08:03 PM Post #23 |
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Turkey kills Kurdish civilians on a regular basis and is a few hundred kilometers northeast of Israel. Your argument is invalid. |
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| Russia (X) | May 10 2009, 08:25 PM Post #24 |
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Culturally, Israel is more "Western" then Turkey, Sel. Geographically invalid, but basically correct. |
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| Schwerpunkt | May 10 2009, 08:37 PM Post #25 |
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Which makes it much, much better than the "you're with us or against mentality" of Bush, since it actually acknowledges the existence of a gray area. |
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| zzvastgulf | May 10 2009, 08:39 PM Post #26 |
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Its a sad world when something like that is true.
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| zznosoria | May 10 2009, 08:45 PM Post #27 |
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Myanmar doesn't care about Sri Lanka, they kill more people than that every day. |
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Leader: Senior General Than Shwe GDP: $27.182 billion Organizations: UN Conflicts: -- Strained Relations: -- | |
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| Dax | May 10 2009, 10:08 PM Post #28 |
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AMETEURS. |
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| zznosoria | May 10 2009, 11:15 PM Post #29 |
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lol! :lol: |
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| United States [Sel] | May 11 2009, 12:50 AM Post #30 |
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Highly debatable. |
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| Australia (LK) | May 11 2009, 12:55 AM Post #31 |
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No Sel you are wrong your argument is invalid. |
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| zznewbrittonia | May 11 2009, 11:27 AM Post #32 |
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Well the US Media is tightly connected to large corporations. Just watch this clip that was aired just once on SNL: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...videoid=6139411 |
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| Recon | May 11 2009, 11:41 AM Post #33 |
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SHHHH! "Sel is never wrong and his arguments are always valid." write it 200 times and think about what you have done. |
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| Russia (X) | May 11 2009, 04:48 PM Post #34 |
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SNL is owned by NBC, who are owned by General Electric, who makes weapons used in Gulf War. Rage Against The Machine rights a song (Bulls on Parade) about the arms industry, hangs some flags upside down (like EVERY national flag belongs) and look what happens, no airtime. |
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| Zactarn Prime | May 11 2009, 04:56 PM Post #35 |
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Bulls on Parade +2 Schoolhouse Rock Video +999999999999999999999999999999 |
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Now Presenting: USA President: Marco Rubio Vice-President: Luis Fortuno Secretary of State: TBD Secretary of Defense: TBD Head of Joint-Chiefs of Staff: TBD Allies: UK, Israel, Japan, RoK, Canada Strained: Iran, Syria, Mali, Santo Domingo, Pakistan At War: | |
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| Schwerpunkt | May 11 2009, 05:55 PM Post #36 |
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You must not have gotten the memo across the pond. Let me summarize, to ensure we're on the same page here: Sel is the President of Asia. Anyone who disagrees with him is incorrect. I believe that's the gist of it. |
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