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UAE troops
Topic Started: May 23 2009, 04:56 PM (676 Views)
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I could be wrong because I could just be unaware of some prearrangement that Qatar and the UAE has, but nonetheless some complaints in this post.

Like how did the UAE manage to get their entire land force into Qatar? There is no land bridge connecting the two, and the UAE neither has air or sea lift capabilities to transplant... what was it...

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Really, their entire navy and army is in Qatar, leaving the UAE defenceless. The fact that his list of deployments is just a copy/paste job from the UAE's military page on Wiki adds to the point. I don't think I have to comment further to see there is an issue over deployments.

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The fields and the Qatar Petroleum Orginazation is now under UAE and looks like it will be for a long time.


He's also somehow managed to take over places without much resistance from Qatar.

Add in the international backlash and you've blown up the Middle East.
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I was going to bring up similar complaints. He brought a number of landing craft of all shapes and sizes, but never stated what they were carrying. Even so, they certainly aren't enough to carry those kind of assets that far in such a short time.

Also, how many men did the UAE deploy? O_o
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He could go through Saudi Arabia. It's all desert. We went through Saudi Arabia to bomb Iraq in 81. We even refueled over Saudi Arabia. May have even done the same when we bombed Sudan two months ago.
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,23 May 2009 20.38.27] He could go through Saudi Arabia. It's all desert. We went through Saudi Arabia to bomb Iraq in 81. We even refueled over Saudi Arabia. May have even done the same when we bombed Sudan two months ago.

We'll had he RP'd it, I wouldn't have a problem with it. The problem is that he got them into Qatar with no RPing. His only post regarding the actually attack is basically summed up like so:

Qatar is evil! Oil? Go Wiki army. I win!

I mean if he wanted to launch an attack, I would expect a better post then just that. He didn't RP them getting there, nor did he give time for other nations like... I don't know Saudi Arabia or Qatar to react.

As for the US, I'm not sure about 81' but I would believe they asked for permission and even if not, the US bombers would have probably not been in large numbers. Nonetheless, it would be hard to not notice the UAE launching their entire mechanized force into the desert, even one as expansive as Saudi Arabia.

Yes I am stressing that entire part for a reason.
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As I said earlier in the wrong thread (since Sel split while I was posting):

I think that's up for the UAE to tell us. And if he did go through Saudi Arabia, he has a lotta splanin' to do. I love how he went hundreds of miles through my country with pretty much his entire army, and I didn't notice one bit, at least in Sel's scenario.

Pretty much what Senders said. But less eloquent.
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He activated his entire mechanised force and no one knew about it too.
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This is a tough realism complaint to call.

On one hand: the UAE player was incompetent. That much is clear. There is no way that his entire war thread would pass as an actual battle thread, and on that basis alone it needs heavy modification and editing. However, he is no longer here, nor is the Qatari player very active.
Therefore, I, as well as Goodie, are in a position where we are in favor of retconning it entirely, simply because of it's infeasibility and generally being half-assed. Considering he's also not here to fix it, it leaves this situation in something of limbo.

However, there is opposition from some players to this. Therefore, I want to know what you all think should be done with this situation we have here.
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I'm in favor of retconning it - it doesn't make much sense, UAE is no longer played, and the whole thing didn't really get rped.
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Well, I for one would advocate for the temporary assignment of players to duke it out. It looks like the starts of a very interesting conflict that could snowball out of control and consume the entire Middle East in a blaze of glory. We've never had that before.
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BURN HER!
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As usual, Joe, always on target. :)
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He's such a troll.

If it can't happen. It can't be RPed. When someone does something impossible, it has to be retconned. It can't be "explained away" (which ironically is what retroactive continuity actually is, we just f'ed up the definition years ago or someone on NS did).
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I like the RP potential it gives in the Middle East... it wouldn't be the first time a nation's actions were called off because of international pressure.
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I offer a third option:
Retcon the army movements and any combat, leave it at the point that the UAE activated its army and said it would invade Qatar if something is not done. Then let those who want to RP this do so. Note that this requires people NPC RPing these nations.
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We lost our UAE. We should retcon it. This has always been done when someone quit a day after doing something controversial.
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We also have a disappeared Qatari player.

Who is going to RP this? Get me two volunteers who will clean this mess up and you'll have an argument.
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Retconning it would probably be the most trouble-free solution. Don't worry, there's plenty of scope for trouble in the Gulf/Middle East :P

We have Israel vs. a number of Muslim nations, we have Iran vs. Saudi Arabia, we have terrorist groups and separatists... lots of ideas.
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I could RP it!
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,25 May 2009 15.47.33] I offer a third option:
Retcon the army movements and any combat, leave it at the point that the UAE activated its army and said it would invade Qatar if something is not done. Then let those who want to RP this do so. Note that this requires people NPC RPing these nations.

If this is done, I would be more than happy to play as Qatar, while Canada could RP as the UAE with its troops activated.
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I'd be cool with Lyly's suggestion, if not to just bring a little activity to these boards.

But then again I'm not sure I want to get involved... which may end up happening.

Rawr.

So I guess I'm not that opposed to retconning it, either.
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I'd rather see it RPed and spice up the region than be retconned, personally, so having Tayyip and Cresilia take it on would be great. Neither has that much of a stake in the Middle East so they'd bring the perspective we need. But ultimately, it's not the end of the world or anything if it's retconned.
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You (proponents) have 12 hours to find NPCs for option 3, otherwise it's retconned.
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Tayyip and Cresilia just volunteered to play it out. Did you miss that bit?
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I want 100% committed to doing this. It's really stupid that we're having NPCs starting a cnflict that isn't going to end up anywhere.

How many times have we heard "Let it happen, it'll create something interesting" only for it to fizzle.

This has gone back to 1.0 when I (as USEAR) backed out of committing troops to the South American invasion of Mexico.
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Im committed
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As soon as we get confirmation from Tayyip, you two can duke it out.
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I'm committed to Qatar.
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Settled.
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