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| North Korea tests another nuke...; ? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 25 2009, 02:31 AM (1,382 Views) | |
| Greece (TheOne) | May 25 2009, 02:31 AM Post #1 |
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So apparently word is that North Korea has tested another nuke.. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25534130-401,00.html They've breached a UN Security Council resolution. So, what now? |
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| Max | May 25 2009, 09:06 AM Post #2 |
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Obama continues doing nothing, UN gets an ulcer, and South Korea dies. |
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| zzskylar | May 25 2009, 09:10 AM Post #3 |
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| Max | May 25 2009, 09:12 AM Post #4 |
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By all means, I give my silent approval. |
[align=center] [/align]I watched them strap him into the seat and shut the door. He might of looked a bit nervous about it but that was about all. I really believe that he knew he was going to be in hell in fifteen minutes. I believe that. And I've thought about that a lot. He was not hard to talk to. Called me Sheriff. But I didn't know what to say to him. What do you say to a man that by his own admission he has no soul? Why would you say anything? I've thought about it a good deal. Cormac McCarthy | |
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| zz(Dwight) | May 25 2009, 09:14 AM Post #5 |
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WW3 as it's best!! North Korea will nuke SK and Japan. China will remain neutral. UNSC launches an attack at North Korea. Simply.....end of the world. :ph43r: |
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| zzmaikeru | May 25 2009, 09:16 AM Post #6 |
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Moorington, what do you want America to do about it? |
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| Max | May 25 2009, 09:17 AM Post #7 |
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I want America to do nothing whatsoever, I enjoy the fact that we use the UN to talk North Korea to death... |
[align=center] [/align]I watched them strap him into the seat and shut the door. He might of looked a bit nervous about it but that was about all. I really believe that he knew he was going to be in hell in fifteen minutes. I believe that. And I've thought about that a lot. He was not hard to talk to. Called me Sheriff. But I didn't know what to say to him. What do you say to a man that by his own admission he has no soul? Why would you say anything? I've thought about it a good deal. Cormac McCarthy | |
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| zzskylar | May 25 2009, 09:18 AM Post #8 |
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NO! We are never... EVER... going to invade the North Koreans! -they have no colour!- |
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| zzBugs | May 25 2009, 09:57 AM Post #9 |
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Better edited. North Korea is not ever going to be holy...lol |
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| zzgoodie | May 25 2009, 11:31 AM Post #10 |
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That made me laugh. I don't think we're going to do much of anything, other than wag our finger and go "Bad Kimmy! You don't do that! Stop building nukes!" North Korea has continuously shown it's disregard for UN resolutions and negotiations, as well as lied about their goals and ambitions for their nuclear facilities. It'll only get worse before it gets better, and believe me, at it's worst? We'll have to be marching through Pyongyang. |
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| United States [Sel] | May 25 2009, 12:35 PM Post #11 |
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Should we be surprised? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090525/ap_on_..._koreas_nuclear USGS Earthquake Page Shame our North Korea decided on a rocket instead of a nuke test. That would have been freaky. Maybe if he thought of a nuke test.....
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| United States [Sel] | May 25 2009, 04:35 PM Post #12 |
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I was wondering why everyone ignored my post. This doesn't go in debate hall. It's not a debate. |
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| Senders | May 25 2009, 04:53 PM Post #13 |
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Is that not the greatest plan in the history of ever? |
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| zzhybrid | May 25 2009, 05:11 PM Post #14 |
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ROFL! I love Lewis Black too! |
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| zzFarrfin | May 25 2009, 05:46 PM Post #15 |
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There's a guy who runs a blog who believes he's come up with the solution to gradually undermine North Korea without actually invading... Plan B: How to Disarm Kim Jong Il without Bombing Him |
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| Amzi | May 25 2009, 05:53 PM Post #16 |
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Plan B of his actually sounds like it would be pretty effective. It seems to cut off a lot of the ways DPRK is making money, thus could force them to do anything, even disarm. |
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| zzFarrfin | May 25 2009, 06:02 PM Post #17 |
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Indeed. On the other hand it could destabilise things and cause more problems. That's the paradox of the Pyongyang regime. If you get rid of it, what emerges in its place? Who knows what effects the half century of communist rule has had, and it's different to China or the Soviet Union. Will they go to war with South Korea as a last throw of the dice? |
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| Amzi | May 25 2009, 06:08 PM Post #18 |
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The exact reason Nazi Germany got away with so much. France and Britain were playing nice with them becuase they were scared of them, or what they would start, or what they could become. Its like how you are nice to the freaky kid at your school becuase 1) You dont want him to come to school with a gun and 2) If he does, you want to be on his good side The latter is past the U.S and most other Western nations, so they try 1) alot. Its a slippery slope |
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| zzFarrfin | May 25 2009, 06:11 PM Post #19 |
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I think if you started turning up the pressure now, as a response to these tests, you'd have a decent amount of support internationally too. And remember, every missile/nuclear test costs the regime money... money that it hasn't really got. |
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| Greece (TheOne) | May 25 2009, 06:53 PM Post #20 |
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Ah sorry I posted it in debate hall, didn't think it was IC related. |
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| Recon | May 25 2009, 07:06 PM Post #21 |
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Wow Azmi you are been pleasant to people just so they don't kill you? You must be acting a bit dickish in RL if you have to hold yourself back from bullying someone else just in case they snap and kill you.... That’s generally not what the UK did with Hitler btw. 1) They did it because the government felt Versailles was too harsh and Hitler was reasonable. So they thought, he will get back a few things and then stop. Having hindsight really helps... 2) It bought time for the UK to rearm. I am not defending Chamberlain however people seem to make it out that he was an irrational idiot. He is very poorly thought of in the UK compared to Churchill however in 1938, the British people had enough of war and he was seen as a hero for getting "Peace in our time." Looking at those times now is far different from the reality then.
Even less since Kim pulled out of that economic free zones with the South. $100s of millions in revenue gone because of him making a statement… Aside from selling Meth I wonder how North Korea is affording these nukes. Unless we are sending him food bags full of $100 notes…. |
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| United States [Sel] | May 25 2009, 09:59 PM Post #22 |
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He just lost all my respect. |
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| United States [Sel] | May 25 2009, 10:09 PM Post #23 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdollar#North_Korea |
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| United States [Sel] | May 25 2009, 10:10 PM Post #24 |
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Huge difference between an authoritarian state and a totalitarian state. Actually scrap that. Huge difference between a near-totalitarian state and North Korea. |
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| United States [Sel] | May 25 2009, 10:12 PM Post #25 |
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My plan is two step. One, get the North to accept defeat. Two, the South slowly reintegrates the North village by village over decades or whatever it takes. Not easy, but the most practical solution in my book. |
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| Dax | May 25 2009, 11:02 PM Post #26 |
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I agree with this in theory, but the difference is that Hitler did not possess weapons that could potentially lead the the entire extinction of the human race, and are actually crazy enough (I think) to use them. It's a small difference, but I think it changes the situation dramatically. |
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| United States [Sel] | May 25 2009, 11:52 PM Post #27 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombin...ma_and_Nagasaki |
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| zzFarrfin | May 26 2009, 03:53 AM Post #28 |
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Apparently they've tested another couple of missiles since the nuke/other missile tests too. Sadly, though, I agree with Moorington; I don't think much will happen. This is what the North Koreans do to get attention and concessions, and it usually works. Hence, they'll keep doing it. They basically want to be bribed into stopping these activities (through more aid, through easing sanctions, through removal from the US state sponsors of terrorism list...) |
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| Greece (TheOne) | May 26 2009, 04:43 AM Post #29 |
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^^Were does the part were they pass things on to Iran and Syria fit in? or is that American propaganda? If they wanted attention, and all they were doing was launching a few missiles and testing the occasional nuke, sure makes sense. But trading in the proliferation of wmd is a little more then a cry for attention. Sadly I don't think North Korea can be stopped, short of causing immense damage to both it and South Korea, with hundreds of thousands if not millions dead and injured. |
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| zzgoodie | May 26 2009, 12:39 PM Post #30 |
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The United Kingdom and France outnumbered and outgunned the German military. They could have stopped it, and instead they chose to appease the Nazi regime in the hopes that once the Germans were unified, they could all go about their happy way. Except that Anglo Saxons and the Franks are both Germanic peoples.
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| United States [Sel] | May 26 2009, 01:30 PM Post #31 |
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I believe we refuted how this doesn't compare a few posts ago. |
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| zzgoodie | May 26 2009, 01:36 PM Post #32 |
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I was making an observation. |
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| United States [Sel] | May 26 2009, 02:05 PM Post #33 |
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But the situations don't compare. Hitler and lil Kim are very different. Their governments are very different. The UK and France did not out gun and outnumber Germany: that was the problem. |
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| Schwerpunkt | May 26 2009, 02:54 PM Post #34 |
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The French alone had more tanks in 1940 than Germany did. They had considerably more towed artillery (lolmaginot). Combined with their regional allies, they had comparable manpower -- and that's with only the BEF, not the British Army. The Germans were very much outnumbered and outgunned. Except in the sky. |
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| Recon | May 26 2009, 03:00 PM Post #35 |
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I know you have a tendency to support the eccentric however unless the US treasury is on its arse. The North Koreans have not been able to generate billions in currency. If the North Koreas only make $300 million in legitimate income, $300 million in selling Meth to Japan. Where is the money coming from? |
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| Recon | May 26 2009, 03:05 PM Post #36 |
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French belief in keep tanks as infantry support was a problem, add the fact many French tanks didn't even have radio comms. Many of their tanks also were only two man vehicles. Leaving the Commander having no ability to be aware of the situation when he is loading and firing.... Poor tactics and outdated equipment saying that a few tanks did have some success, “In direct meetings with German tanks the Char B1 usually had the better of it, sometimes spectacularly so as when on 16 May a single tank, Eure, frontally attacked and destroyed thirteen German tanks lying in ambush in Stonne, all of them Panzerkampfwagen III and Panzerkampfwagen IV's, in the course of a few minutes. The tank safely returned despite being hit 140 times.” |
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| United States [Sel] | May 26 2009, 03:54 PM Post #37 |
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They sell their gold reserves also, tourism, trade. |
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| zzFarrfin | May 26 2009, 04:37 PM Post #38 |
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Indeed. The North Korean concentration camps are big businesses in a perverse way. The prisoners are... well, slaves, used to mine gold (a vital part of the DPRK's income comes from gold sales) and coal, and they also grow opium poppies (again as part of the drugs trade). These camps are huge, too; tens of square miles each, with hundreds of thousands of prisoners. The Free Korea blog has some insight into the DPRK's Gulag system. Well worth a read, but it's pretty morbid. Apparently the nuke test (and the 2006 one) happened in an underground tunnel built near one of the camps. http://freekorea.us/camps/ For those with Google Earth, you can find some satellite photographs of the camps on there too. |
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| Dax | May 26 2009, 05:44 PM Post #39 |
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You could say the same about North korea and it's enemies now. But again, the difference is that Britain and France invading Germany would not have concluded in nuclear war. Also, in response to Sel: Yes, we are the only country who has ever used a nuclear weapons in warfare, but there's a main difference between us in 1945 and now: in 1945, we were the only ones that had them, and us nuking Japan did not carry the threat of full-scale nuclear war, as it does if North Korea were to use nukes now. It's an enormously different set of threats. |
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| United States [Sel] | May 26 2009, 07:09 PM Post #40 |
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Full-scale nuclear war is not necessarily going to happen. I forget what book it is in, but NK is simply pursuing the "mouse that roared" tactic. Meaning that they're building a nuke to get attention, not to actually use it. The book actually may be called The Mouse That Roared... |
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