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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 3 2009, 02:51 PM (1,075 Views) | |
| Recon | Jun 5 2009, 12:19 PM Post #41 |
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| zzskylar | Jun 5 2009, 11:11 PM Post #42 |
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Hmmm. I love it that Flint chose to address the PM as "Gordon" rather than "Mr Brown" or anything else. It seems that the barbwire is disappearing around 10 Bunker Street. |
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| zzcrackzilla | Jun 6 2009, 03:40 AM Post #43 |
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What exactly did Gordon do to make himself so unpopular? Last I remember he was fairly popular. |
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| Recon | Jun 6 2009, 09:42 AM Post #44 |
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After the G20 Summit in April he was popular, then he had the Emails scandal (His Senior Aide sending Emails trying to smear the Tories), General stupidity and trying to go against the public on Ghurkhas. The Expenses Scandal and Brown not taking the lead on reforms. Him Condemning Heazel Blears for dodging capital gains tax but allowing Purnell and Hoon other ministers off with no punishment. Finally my personal favourite. He had his aides speaking to the press all week, “Darling is finished” (Chancellor Alasdair Darling) and now after his authority has been weakened Darling is still in his job. Then even better Brown mentioned his father had taught him never to lie and at yesterdays press conferences he would be “Candid” so the Press asked him. Where you planning to Fire Alasdir Darling? His “Truthful answer” No. That tells you everything you need to know about Brown. Brown is an utter dick. Caroline Flint now has made the charge Brown only keeps Women in the Cabinet because they are women and now it seems Lord Mandelson, Chancellor Darling, Foreign Minister David Miliband and Home Secretary Alan Johnson are too powerful to be fired by Brown. They are now untouchable. |
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| zzLyly | Jun 6 2009, 11:14 AM Post #45 |
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Yeah, it really seems that certain cabinet members can basically run the show themselves and shuffle the cabinet as they see fit. |
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| zzcrackzilla | Jun 6 2009, 02:04 PM Post #46 |
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Does it really surprise you that he'd have to keep some diversity in there just to keep people from screaming? It seems to me that alot of European countries have enforced diversity - like affirmative action, but in politics, and probably even other aspects of life. To me, it's not such a big deal. If he doesn't have any, or only a few women, people would cry about it. I'm not certain, but it looks like he appointed one to a rather unimportant ministry position, so it wouldn't really hamper him too much. Of course, I'm an American, and we're used to lies and empty moves to appease people... |
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| Recon | Jun 6 2009, 06:47 PM Post #47 |
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In the UK we don’t have that. However there has been massive pressure to get more Asian and Black MPs. Honestly it pisses me off no end. Like local Labour or Conservative parties would ignore that possibility in majority minority areas. It’s just all about trying to look better by picking more. If an Asian or Afro- Caribbean person is the best person for the job, full steam ahead but lets not just pick people for the sake of it! On the matter of Women, Blair in 1997 had a photo op which was called “Blair’s babes” so as of now we have 127 Female Mps out of 646 in total. Now I don’t really see the difference between a male or female MP. They will both steal from the tax payer TBH I think they will increase with every election, if local parties are discriminating against women then the national party should tell them to STFU. But I am all for picking the best person male or female. Quotas are the wrong way to go. They want to have quotas on banks etc saying “Women would never have caused this financial crisis.” I don’t know if that is true however quotas just stop the best person getting the job, in a free and fair system that should be the only option. Affirmative action IMO causes anger. Have you ever owned a slave? Nope Nor would anyone here want to. Neither do they think that people are worth less because of their gender, sexual orientation, age or ethnicity (I hope). I just don’t think punishing people now for the sins of people hundreds of years ago (In some places like 40). Is the right way to go. And that also has the problem if a person gets a job theres always "We all know why she got it" etc. It takes away from the skills they have. I am saying that like the world has a perfect system, which only allows the best person to be picked. If you went for a job could you not get it just because of your race or gender? |
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| Schwerpunkt | Jun 6 2009, 08:02 PM Post #48 |
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This topic, and topics like it, always amuse me. People rave about how one group of people is inherently better at something than another (see: that quote in Recon's post), while neglecting to mention or indeed refusing to realize that stereotypes, whether 'positive' or 'negative,' are bad. Nothing makes women inherently less or more qualified than men to do these jobs. Indeed, the only real restriction on women as far as political work goes is the whole pregnancy thing, but most elected officials are too old for that to even matter. Thatcher was 54 when she became PM, Merkel was 51 when she became Chancellor, Patil was 73 when sworn in as President, Ching-ling was 75... none of those are exactly child bearing ages, so that's really a non-issue anyway. As for the whole 'best qualified' thing, I totally agree. There's no reason x politician should be given the position or not given the position because that politician is female, a minority, has a certain hair color, or what-have-you. If Bob, the stereotypical old white guy, is a better politician than Michele, the clearly non-stereotypical young black girl, there's no reason he shouldn't get the job. Germany's Green Party, for instance, is chaired by a woman (one that is larger than most female politicians to boot) and a Turk. The Free Democratic Party is chaired by an openly homosexual man (who was my President last game, if anyone recalls). On the other hand, the CSU's Horst Seehofer is your typical white guy. If memory serves, Merkel's cabinet is fairly well divided: 7 women, 9 men. Naturally, all of them are white, but that's the demographics. It was 6/10, though, so eh. |
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| United States [Sel] | Jun 6 2009, 11:22 PM Post #49 |
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In Brown's remarks, he referred to "Obama Beach," then corrected himself to "Omaha Beach" a few words later, after a stir in the crowd. The guy is such a n00b. It's almost sad. Maybe it was all Tony's plot to take any harsh light off of his term by having a buffoon succeed him. |
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| zzFarrfin | Jun 7 2009, 06:24 AM Post #50 |
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When he left office in 2007, he must've been annoyed that he wasn't allowed to carry on and serve most of the rest of the third term for the Labour Party. Now he must be so glad that he got out when he did. A blessing in disguise
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| zzskylar | Jun 7 2009, 11:19 AM Post #51 |
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+2 Couldn't state either points better. But also, Recon... about that whole slave thing? Don't put it past Rommel.
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| Recon | Jun 7 2009, 06:09 PM Post #52 |
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It seems Labour has been murdered in Wales, a true stronghold. Brown could be gone sooner rather then later. |
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| zzskylar | Jun 8 2009, 04:44 PM Post #53 |
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seriously. I think it's more surprising that the BNP gained two seats... Oh, and what the hell is the UKIP, and how are they suddenly the UK's second party? Request split thread for discussion on EU elections... |
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| zzmorty | Jun 8 2009, 05:04 PM Post #54 |
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UKIP is made of concentrated awesome. They are the second party because Labour, conversely, is made of concentrated fail. |
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| Recon | Jun 8 2009, 05:48 PM Post #55 |
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Brown survives.
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| zzcrackzilla | Jun 8 2009, 07:26 PM Post #56 |
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Did the BNP get seats anywhere? I remember reading something that said they might get one. |
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| Dax | Jun 8 2009, 07:46 PM Post #57 |
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They got one in the British elections and two in the European Parliament, I believe; the most they've ever gotten in any election. Scary. |
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| zzmorty | Jun 8 2009, 07:54 PM Post #58 |
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I think Daniel Hannan was right about this - people went out and did what the politicians told them not to do as a protest. |
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| Recon | Jun 9 2009, 06:52 AM Post #59 |
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Their leader was elected in my district! Fucking hell, the North West will be blamed for all his shit forever. Regardless of the fact the BNP actually got less votes then in the last election... :angry: |
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| zzskylar | Jun 9 2009, 04:13 PM Post #60 |
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Morty: LOL for irony! Recon: Don't worry... Cameron and even Clegg will shoot Brown down tomorrow in PMQs. |
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| zzLyly | Jun 9 2009, 04:19 PM Post #61 |
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Freudian slip, man. Such mistakes are actually pretty common amongst world leaders, as much as you'd think otherwise. It's just because they have so much more on their mind that their present situation. |
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| zzskylar | Jun 9 2009, 04:22 PM Post #62 |
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| United States [Sel] | Jun 9 2009, 06:50 PM Post #63 |
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Joe Biden is a Freudian slip. |
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