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Topic Started: Jul 2 2009, 01:19 AM (423 Views)
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We have way to many of them and I think they might deserve to be put in the same category as special weapons. That is, they require full admin approval.

The vast majority, if not all, coups done here this round have been Boom done. I remember Calaveras talking to me about his wish to start a coup in Vietnam. I told him to RP it out and he'd gain respect. He upgraded from the typical one post to two.

The first time I did a coup (1.0), it was very well (could have been better of course) RPed out. I slowly introduced the character and built it up in a number of posts. Eventually it climaxed in a fairly detailed post that was more than just "Boom done". As I recall, (And it's a damn shame we lost that board) Boris Parislav and his supporters busted into the Duma in I think like two to three posts and forced the Russian President to sign over powers. I remember writing about Boris glaring at whatever tool president I invented.

The point is that I took the time to build a character (And what a character he was. just ask Maik, Recon, Eb <_<, etc...) and build the coup. I know I've done at least two other coups and I can't really remember how much I RPed them, but it was certainly more than instant. Nonetheless, Boris is remembered and liked more than Guy LaHache and Luc Ako:

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So back to the original point: discuss whether coups should be added to the list of things that need admin approval. In my opinion, if you can RP it out well in a number of posts you have the right to a coup. Obviously this would only be acceptable in a country that could have a coup (although there are ways everywhere). And also a coup doesn't need to be with weapons. You can rig elections.
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What about mine? It is not technical a coup LOL
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If it's the only way to stop people from doing it in a few short posts, then yes, make it admin approval.

But I think another approach should be trialled first. Perhaps make a quick guideline(i do not volunteer) or something, basically to outline what is acceptable and what isn't. Sticky&lock it.

Obviously if that doesn't work stronger measures are needed.
But I think once people are educated enough on the in's and out's, they do the right thing.
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,02 Jul 2009 01.38.50] What about mine? It is not technical a coup LOL

Dude, don't use technicalities to get out of that...

Anyways, i completely approve of this, and we need some type of guideline on 'how to do coups and other ways to overthrow a government'. Make a thread on this and stiky it - that's what I think we should do.
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I wouldnt say admin approval.


But... it should take a good deal of effort.
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Lies, coups should be done like this:

The guy walked up to the president, pulled out a gun and shot him... Then took command of the country

/sarcasm

Though, seriously, coups should either be regulated to some sort of minimum words/posts/death count rule or be admin approved, if it is the only way to stop the mass coup spamming
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,02 Jul 2009 04.36.13] Lies, coups should be done like this:

The guy walked up to the president, pulled out a gun and shot him... Then took command of the country


FUCK YOU :angry: :angry: :angry: :huh: :o :o :( :( :(
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Sel, don't even try and say that Boris was well-planned. Especially not with Recon and Eb still here.

I'm planning on holding a coup, once the IG date is right. Of course, it won't be your traditional coup. That wouldn't be very Saudi.
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Coups are just going to be "fun" rps for some people.
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No actually, they should kidnap the president, drive him through the city while chaos is going on around him with funky music playing. Then execute him on TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncXJin1eE9Q
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,02 Jul 2009 09.56.41] No actually, they should kidnap the president, drive him through the city while chaos is going on around him with funky music playing. Then execute him on TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncXJin1eE9Q

I'm so doing that.
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,02 Jul 2009 08.56.41] No actually, they should kidnap the president, drive him through the city while chaos is going on around him with funky music playing. Then execute him on TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncXJin1eE9Q

I KNEW that would come at some point in time. People play way to much COD4. But I like the overall plotline anyways lol. So 8 scimitars out of possible 10.

I think, we should try allowing a player to Rp out his or her dream coup. Once he or she finishes, they...somehow contact an admin or even a regional mod (preferably the latter, so as to not intrude upon the already stretched admin if possible). The mod or admin looks it over, and if it is suitable Rp material they can give the approval. Or the coupee will have to retcon it or fix it to make it suitable. Failure to properly notify (probably by PM or talking in OOC) an admin or mod, could result in automatic retcon.

I'd also like the idea of a basic sticky guide for how to do a coup. But by no means, would I be the guy to write it...since I don't do coups. We could just take an already closed topic or whatever, and move that if we have anything that resembles a suitable coup. Probably the Mauritanian one maybe. Or we just wait on Maik to make one (no pun intended :rolleyes: ).

I also want to point out that some nations, really don't require having a damn coup to change the leader to a more suitable one. Just one look at the status in Iran, and even the American elections. That if a nation has the roots of democracy in place, all they need is for some guy to come up out of the shadows and start a new "color revolution" or whatever (Iran=Green Revolution). Some of them...could use that instead. A more peaceful revolution of sorts. Hell, I'm not even sure Mauritania had to assassinate his own president, since General Sarr is a candidate for THIS years elections actually.
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This strikes me as a very dumb idea.
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,02 Jul 2009 08.56.41] No actually, they should kidnap the president, drive him through the city while chaos is going on around him with funky music playing. Then execute him on TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncXJin1eE9Q

If you look at the satellite when it zooms in on the place where it is happening right in the begining, it is obviously in Saudi Arabia.
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,02 Jul 2009 09.59.17] This strikes me as a very dumb idea.

Attempting to regulate coups? I kind of agree. We've seen the best of proposals to fix some problems...and they don't really work always. So maybe so.
But if we tried something...we might could in effect curb those from planning to have a coup, unless the player knows he could really draw it out like it should be done.
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I'm against. I think that the over-abundance of coups is ridiculous, too, but I'm against regulating them. The only people who do them out of nowhere is the players who aren't very acquainted with the way 21c works, or new players, and I think that this will fix itself. As long as it doesn't happen in a major country, I don't really care how many coupes there are. Some of them are really bad, but end up turning into cool storylines (i.e. Mauritania; sorry, JJ)

Anyway, a guide would be cool, but I'm not about to regulate it. This is a free-form RP.
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It's Aight I figured mine was a terrible story line. I hate the idea when I look back on it. Honestly if I could I would just undo it all and stick with doing nothing. But hey you live, you learn.
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Oh, you'll love the storylines mine creates, Dax. ;)
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,02 Jul 2009 10.39.30] It's Aight I figured mine was a terrible story line. I hate the idea when I look back on it. Honestly if I could I would just undo it all and stick with doing nothing. But hey you live, you learn.

I didn't actually think it was too bad. Hence why I would put it as an example of what you could use. It is the result of improvisation, some tweeks, and what will happen when you appoint a racially charged dictator (see: NATO plans to whoop the shit out of al-Moravid lol).

I mean...I wouldn't have gone the way of Hitler or Saddam over there. But at the same time, the fact that you included him blaming things on Europeans and arresting them, made it pretty cool.
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,02 Jul 2009 11.39.30] It's Aight I figured mine was a terrible story line. I hate the idea when I look back on it. Honestly if I could I would just undo it all and stick with doing nothing. But hey you live, you learn.

Well, it wasn't done as well as it could have been done, but it ended up leading to a lot of cool plotlines and RPs (and I have to admit that I'm having a blast RPing your forces) so it worked out okay. It wasn't mean to be an outright attack on you, but the problem is that coups like yours don't often lead to good storylines. It so happened that yours did, but that shouldn't encourage people to follow your lead.
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Well I am generally not a very creative person...And I have half assed 21c so far due to other commitments RL but since it's summer and hopefully soon my family will quit bitching about who gets what I'll be bac and not half ass everything. And you are doing 200x better than what I could've done with Mauritanian forces.
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He's also griefing my lazy allies.
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Not to single anyone out (Moorington), but potential coup-RPers should certainly go read this thread from the last round. While the coup itself showed up fairly early in the thread, the ramifications of it were RPed over a long period of time. In my opinion, that's how you have a coup!

Realistically, though, the problem with most coups isn't really any different from the problem with most major governmental changes, strifes, conflicts or what have you. They're good when people put the time into writing up good RP around them, and they're "meh" when people don't.

Looking at the way admin decisions are made about these things, it seems that Dax and company give more leeway to people who make the effort to write a good RP. This is, in my opinion, as it should be. We all play this game to entertain ourselves (and others), after all. This, I think, is probably the biggest point that can be taken away from this:

"Make it entertaining, and you'll be able to get away with nearly anything"
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,02 Jul 2009 13.43.26]

Looking at the way admin decisions are made about these things, it seems that Dax and company give more leeway to people who make the effort to write a good RP. This is, in my opinion, as it should be. We all play this game to entertain ourselves (and others), after all. This, I think, is probably the biggest point that can be taken away from this:

"Make it entertaining, and you'll be able to get away with nearly anything"

Spot on.
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A coup in China would basically be one guy saying the President needs to step down and a new one needs to take his place, with the President fake-dying and the military taking control and such. :P
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,02 Jul 2009 12.43.26] Snippet

Now that I have Hemlock's approval, I can finally put a check mark on the "Live life" box. :D

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This is how you finish a coup....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sZrpeJdOnA

If you don't get it, your the President (Or King) and you are seeing the world through his eyes during a Coup..

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Saddest and what made me so pissed off about the game:

Griggs death...

Griggs wast the only blac guy and the coolest one...
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Griggs was the best, but for some reason I think that Zakhaev's son, Victor or sonething, kick-ass. No clue why.
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,02 Jul 2009 06.32.08] Sel, don't even try and say that Boris was well-planned. Especially not with Recon and Eb still here.

I'm planning on holding a coup, once the IG date is right. Of course, it won't be your traditional coup. That wouldn't be very Saudi.

He totally was. I took like 3-5 years to get from introduction to power. Yeah that was only 3 weeks, but it still was longer IC than most of these instacoups.

On a related note, I just found some RPs from when I was Congo on DaG (a shitty RP that I actually met Hubris and lyly on lol. it was actually run by one of the co conspirators of that incident a few months ago). I did a lot of RPing on the way to the coup, which I never actually got to. First I assassinated a regional general, then I had the replacement become a hero, THEN he would stage his coup. Or he would be elected president...I dont really remember what my plan was exactly, but the point is that it was drawn out.
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,02 Jul 2009 08.56.41] No actually, they should kidnap the president, drive him through the city while chaos is going on around him with funky music playing. Then execute him on TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncXJin1eE9Q

Holy crap.
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