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So much for German Efficiency..
Topic Started: Jul 8 2009, 12:12 PM (299 Views)
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Germany 'not silent' on stabbing

Germany has defended its response to the stabbing of a pregnant Egyptian, saying Chancellor Angela Merkel will meet Egypt's president to discuss it.

Marwa Sherbini, 32, was stabbed to death last week in a court in Dresden, a killing that caused outrage in Egypt.

She had been giving evidence against her killer after he called her a "terrorist" in a playground.

The head of the Arab League told the BBC the incident reflected a failure of dialogue between civilisations.

Ms Sherbini was stabbed 18 times by a 28-year-old Russian identified as Axel W, who leapt across the courtroom during an appeals hearing and attacked her in front of her husband and son.

Prosecutors said the Russian, who had been found guilty in November of insulting and abusing the woman, had a deep hatred of Muslims and acted alone.

'Hate crime'

Ms Sherbini's husband was attacked by the assailant as he tried to defend his wife and was also accidentally shot by German police.
He is in hospital in critical condition.

The Egyptian media have expressed outrage, asking how the incident was allowed to happen and dubbing Ms Sherbini "the martyr of the Hijab", in reference to her Islamic headscarf.

The German government was criticised for what was seen to be a muted reaction.

On Tuesday, spokesman Thomas Steg defended the government's reaction, saying Germany had "not been silent", and that early details about the case had not been sufficiently clear for a "spontaneous reaction".

"This is an abhorrent deed, one that has left us all dismayed and shocked," he said.

He added that Chancellor Merkel would discuss the incident with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak at this week's Group of Eight summit in Italy.

The Egyptian Secretary-General of the Arab League, Amr Moussa, called the incident a "totally unjustified hate crime".

"I believe and many of us here believe that what happened is one dimension of the failure of international dialogue and the dialogue of civilisations," he told the BBC's Newshour programme.

"Many of us believe that it did not trickle down to individuals in so many countries."

Mr Moussa said he was confident that the German authorities would ensure a just outcome to the affair.


Shooting the husband for protecting his wife and son.... Letting a crazy hate crime suspect carry a knife in court? Germanys racial problems are coming to the forefront. The guy who stabbed the women was a Russian of German Hertiage. Bad times.

More here.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/0...ab-murder-egypt

It seems the German Government and Media were more concerned about the lack of court room security then the fact a women got stabbed to death because she was a muslim...
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Head of Government (Prime Minister): Hamadi Jebali (Ennahda)
Population: 10.6 Million (2012 est.)
GDP (Real): $44bn (2012 est.)
Organizations: Arab League (AL), Arab Maghreb Union (AMU), African Union (AU), International Criminal Court (ICC), International Monetary Fund (IMF,) Non Aligned Movement (NAM), United Nations (UN) & World Trade Organisation (WTO).
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It's the liberal feel-good nonsense. He should've been shot long before he got to her, much less had time to stab her. But, obviously, they had time to shoot the husband. And she didn't get stabbed to death because she was a Muslims: she got stabbed to death because the court's incompetent.

I don't think Der Spiegel has covered this at all. I know Deutsche Welle hasn't. Nobody gives a shit about Dresden, apparently.
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Well she did get stabbed to death because she was a Muslim, yet court security was lax. The big controversy is only a few places are covering the story. This would be headline news in the UK. Makes me wonder why.
[align=center]Head of State (President): Moncef Marzouki (Congress for the Republic)
Head of Government (Prime Minister): Hamadi Jebali (Ennahda)
Population: 10.6 Million (2012 est.)
GDP (Real): $44bn (2012 est.)
Organizations: Arab League (AL), Arab Maghreb Union (AMU), African Union (AU), International Criminal Court (ICC), International Monetary Fund (IMF,) Non Aligned Movement (NAM), United Nations (UN) & World Trade Organisation (WTO).
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It would be a headline in the UK because "Christian kills Muslim in court" is sensationalist. She wasn't killed because she was a Muslim. She was killed because she didn't fit into this Russian-German's clique, or his narrow view of what the world 'should' be. I imagine he would've been just as harsh with a Communist nutjob from Vietnam or something.
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,08 Jul 2009 17.51.30] It would be a headline in the UK because "Christian kills Muslim in court" is sensationalist. She wasn't killed because she was a Muslim. She was killed because she didn't fit into this Russian-German's clique, or his narrow view of what the world 'should' be. I imagine he would've been just as harsh with a Communist nutjob from Vietnam or something.

I don't know Schwer. Islamophobia is getting quite strong across Europe. Quite a few of the hard right parties were elected on these platforms. While you are correct this man may have killed someone else. When he called her a quote, “terrorist” that says it all. Not many Vietnamese have been arrested on terrorism charges in Europe recently…
[align=center]Head of State (President): Moncef Marzouki (Congress for the Republic)
Head of Government (Prime Minister): Hamadi Jebali (Ennahda)
Population: 10.6 Million (2012 est.)
GDP (Real): $44bn (2012 est.)
Organizations: Arab League (AL), Arab Maghreb Union (AMU), African Union (AU), International Criminal Court (ICC), International Monetary Fund (IMF,) Non Aligned Movement (NAM), United Nations (UN) & World Trade Organisation (WTO).
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Elements in Canada are trying to portray those pipeline-bombing guys as terrorists now. Christ, the word's thrown around liberally. It's a wonder that British MEPs haven't been arrested on 'terrorism' charges for asking for an opt-out.

Also, there aren't many Vietnamese in Europe. Period.
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,08 Jul 2009 19.03.10] Elements in Canada are trying to portray those pipeline-bombing guys as terrorists now. Christ, the word's thrown around liberally. It's a wonder that British MEPs haven't been arrested on 'terrorism' charges for asking for an opt-out.

Also, there aren't many Vietnamese in Europe. Period.

What? Lets get this clear. Which British European Party are you chattering on about?

686,000. Thats not tiny. Thats a good size.
[align=center]Head of State (President): Moncef Marzouki (Congress for the Republic)
Head of Government (Prime Minister): Hamadi Jebali (Ennahda)
Population: 10.6 Million (2012 est.)
GDP (Real): $44bn (2012 est.)
Organizations: Arab League (AL), Arab Maghreb Union (AMU), African Union (AU), International Criminal Court (ICC), International Monetary Fund (IMF,) Non Aligned Movement (NAM), United Nations (UN) & World Trade Organisation (WTO).
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I'm mocking how easily 'terrorist' is thrown around these days. On the other hand, I wouldn't exactly protest if those BNP morons were arrested.

686,000 in Europe is pretty small. The Italians are over half a million in Germany alone, while the Turks nearly triple the Vietnamese figure in Germany alone. Besides, they tend to be less... overt about their presence in Germany than the Turks do, so they're not noticed nearly as much.
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,08 Jul 2009 19.32.35] I'm mocking how easily 'terrorist' is thrown around these days. On the other hand, I wouldn't exactly protest if those BNP morons were arrested.

686,000 in Europe is pretty small. The Italians are over half a million in Germany alone, while the Turks nearly triple the Vietnamese figure in Germany alone. Besides, they tend to be less... overt about their presence in Germany than the Turks do, so they're not noticed nearly as much.

Oh that note.

Nick's thought for the day...

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Sink immigrants' boats - Griffin

The EU should sink boats carrying illegal immigrants to prevent them entering Europe, British National Party leader Nick Griffin has told the BBC.

The MEP for the North-West of England said the EU had to get "very tough" with migrants from sub-Saharan Africa.

Pressed on what should happen to those on board, he said: "Throw them a life raft and they can go back to Libya".

Libya has long been a staging post for migrants from Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa wanting to reach Europe.

Nearly 37,000 immigrants landed on Italian shores last year, an increase of about 75% on the year before.

But with the prospect of a new immigration and asylum policy being voted on this autumn by MEPs, Mr Griffin is advocating measures to destroy boats used by illegal immigrants to reach the EU's southern coastline.

'Combating the flow'

In an interview with this week's edition of BBC Parliament's The Record Europe, he said: "If there's measures to set up some kind of force or to help, say the Italians, set up a force which actually blocks the Mediterranean then we'd support that.

"But the only measure, sooner or later, which is going to stop immigration and stop large numbers of sub-Saharan Africans dying on the way to get over here is to get very tough with those coming over.

"Frankly, they need to sink several of those boats.

"Anyone coming up with measures like that we'll support but anything which is there as a 'oh, we need to do something about it' but in the end doing something about it means bringing them into Europe' we will oppose."

The interviewer, BBC Correspondent Shirin Wheeler, said: "I don't think the EU is in the business of murdering people at sea."

Mr Griffin replied: "I didn't say anyone should be murdered at sea - I say boats should be sunk, they can throw them a life raft and they can go back to Libya.

"But Europe has sooner or later to close its borders or its simply going to be swamped by the Third World."

In May, the Italian government gave Libya three patrol boats as part of a deal aimed at combating the flow of illegal migrants making the crossing to Italy.

Italian Interior Minister Roberto Maroni, a member of the anti-immigration Lega Nord party, hailed the first 200 migrants picked up by the boats and returned to Libya as an "historic" moment.

But human rights groups have raised concerns about Italy sending migrants back to Libya without first screening them for asylum claims or to discover whether they are sick, injured, unaccompanied children or victims of human trafficking.

Libya has no functioning asylum system and is not a party to the 1951 UN convention relating to the status of refugees.

'Influence'

Separately Mr Griffin, who will next week formally take up his seat in Brussels, has admitted that the BNP has failed to convince other like-minded parties to form an alliance in the new European Parliament.

Talks with France's Front National, Lega Nord, and other groups fell apart, with Lega Nord now joining the new Europe of Freedom and Democracy group, led by Britain's UK Independence Party.

Mr Griffin told The Parliament.com: "We needed at least 25 members from seven different member states to form a group. There is no doubt that we would have been able to wield a lot more influence if we could have formed a group.

"No one was prepared to commit themselves knowing that we had not got Lega Nord on board.

"Even so, we will continue to work together with these other groups and share ideas. We will have less access to things like speaking time and committee votes but it's too bad."

The BNP advocates British withdrawal from the European Union and an end to all immigration to the UK and last month won its first two seats in the European Parliament.

Mr Griffin and the party's other recently-elected MEP Andrew Brons will sit in the "non-attached" section of the Parliament, which means they will be entitled to less administrative and financial support.
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[align=center]Head of State (President): Moncef Marzouki (Congress for the Republic)
Head of Government (Prime Minister): Hamadi Jebali (Ennahda)
Population: 10.6 Million (2012 est.)
GDP (Real): $44bn (2012 est.)
Organizations: Arab League (AL), Arab Maghreb Union (AMU), African Union (AU), International Criminal Court (ICC), International Monetary Fund (IMF,) Non Aligned Movement (NAM), United Nations (UN) & World Trade Organisation (WTO).
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Griffin's a Neo-Fascist, regardless of what he tries to call himself. Him being elected is a travesty.

A guy like that getting elected in Germany would probably provoke a military coup.
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How does immigration into the EU work, anyway? It seems like the open borders policy kinda screws anyone who wants to control immigration into their country, since an immigrant can just pick the easiest country to get into, and wander from there.

And you can't just have open borders for everyone.
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,08 Jul 2009 19.57.00] How does immigration into the EU work, anyway? It seems like the open borders policy kinda screws anyone who wants to control immigration into their country, since an immigrant can just pick the easiest country to get into, and wander from there.

And you can't just have open borders for everyone.

Well they have a system that. The first country you interact with is the only country you can apply in. That’s mostly Greece, France or Italy. You cant land in Greece get fingerprinted and then hop down to London to apply for status. You will get sent back.

Frankly the rules are a farce. People seem to think England is a magical world. They are in France and could claim Asylum but no they want to come to the UK….
[align=center]Head of State (President): Moncef Marzouki (Congress for the Republic)
Head of Government (Prime Minister): Hamadi Jebali (Ennahda)
Population: 10.6 Million (2012 est.)
GDP (Real): $44bn (2012 est.)
Organizations: Arab League (AL), Arab Maghreb Union (AMU), African Union (AU), International Criminal Court (ICC), International Monetary Fund (IMF,) Non Aligned Movement (NAM), United Nations (UN) & World Trade Organisation (WTO).
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,09 Jul 2009 01.45.16] Griffin's a Neo-Fascist, regardless of what he tries to call himself. Him being elected is a travesty.

A guy like that getting elected in Germany would probably provoke a military coup.

Do you live in the North West of England ?
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Germany [Schwerpunkt
 
,09 Jul 2009 01.45.16] Griffin's a Neo-Fascist, regardless of what he tries to call himself. Him being elected is a travesty.

A guy like that getting elected in Germany would probably provoke a military coup.

Do you live in the North West of England ?

Yep. He lives next door to me.
[align=center]Head of State (President): Moncef Marzouki (Congress for the Republic)
Head of Government (Prime Minister): Hamadi Jebali (Ennahda)
Population: 10.6 Million (2012 est.)
GDP (Real): $44bn (2012 est.)
Organizations: Arab League (AL), Arab Maghreb Union (AMU), African Union (AU), International Criminal Court (ICC), International Monetary Fund (IMF,) Non Aligned Movement (NAM), United Nations (UN) & World Trade Organisation (WTO).
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Bosnia-Herzegovina [Jackmeister
 
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,09 Jul 2009 01.45.16] Griffin's a Neo-Fascist, regardless of what he tries to call himself. Him being elected is a travesty.

A guy like that getting elected in Germany would probably provoke a military coup.

Do you live in the North West of England ?

Yep. He lives next door to me.

Cool.
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