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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 13 2009, 04:44 AM (295 Views) | |
| Greece (TheOne) | Jul 13 2009, 04:44 AM Post #1 |
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/german...,634122,00.html So...um...lets split Germany in two again? Dax/Recon...shouldn't the CIA be exploiting these feelings for another colour revolution? Cipher...wheres the FSB in all this? :ph43r: |
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| He's dead Jim... | Jul 13 2009, 07:55 AM Post #2 |
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I didn't bother reading that because its too long and i'm lazy, but, EAST GERMANY FTW ! 8D |
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| zzJJ | Jul 13 2009, 08:33 AM Post #3 |
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Heh that would be awesome splitting them again. |
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| zzdusty | Jul 13 2009, 08:42 AM Post #4 |
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Long live GDR (DDR in German). Death to the Capitalists.
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| zznorcalpunk | Jul 13 2009, 09:24 AM Post #5 |
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Well, as implied in the article, the majority of people who support East Germany are, well, young, and I doubt any of them have actually lived under the communist regime there. P/S: I wouldn't count spending the first 10 years of your life as "living". |
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| Zactarn Prime | Jul 13 2009, 09:42 AM Post #6 |
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What the fuck? "YOUR NOT ALIVE UNTIL YOU'RE 11" |
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| Recon | Jul 13 2009, 10:34 AM Post #7 |
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It’s hardly a shock. A lot of people felt safe in the GDR. The regime lavished them with benefits. You had job security, you had a sense of community you had perhaps a less challenging world. In the GDR you could go to University even if you were poor and the universities were better then the current German crop which are poor by international standards. In a time of recession, people obviously dislike capitalism and add that to the massively high expectations after the wall came down it would be hard to see must support for the West. It’s remarkable how many people who would give up conventional democracy for job security and the sense of community that the GDR provided. Some of it is nostalgia, but some of it is true. In East Germany, the average person didn’t get hauled down to the Stasi, most knew of them but never met one. There were many benefits of living in the GDR especially refugee from some of the darker sides of capitalism. I remember my History teacher once telling me of his trip to the East Germany in 1988 (I wish I could have visited before the wall went down), He travelled on the underground system between East and West Berlin, it was full of Western Tourists, on the way back the train was full of elderly people from the GDR. They had no qualms about letting them to defect to the West, probably to save on pensions and healthcare costs. He visited the streets and he found a public obsessed by the West. People noticed he was a Westerner and pestered him for any Western Media or music records he had on him (His newspaper was taken away by the GDR guards.) He also noted the shops were bare of consumer items. The truth is, in 1989 people risked their lives and in some cases died for freedom. The GDR or Communist Poland or the USSR was not exclusively terrible. Party members and poorer people in some cases felt they had a better life under the GDR, you had a job for life, you had benefits, you had the chance of a University Education you even had a greater sense of community through all the Communist party mechanisms. Unfortunately there is nothing to provoke, in Schwers Germany communism is not even on the agenda. That's not a slur it’s a fact. There are Germans who wish to go back to Communism as are those Russians who hark back to Soviet times, Eventually those generations will die out however, we cannot forget the Stasi, the executions, the repression, the terrible economic problems the state faced by racking up debts trying to sell substandard products and most importantly that thousands upon thousands of people who risked their lives and in some cases died to escape. Hell in about 50 years if North Korea has collapsed and only a new unified Democratic Korea remains you will find people who wished they could be back in the DPRK. |
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| Schwerpunkt | Jul 13 2009, 12:43 PM Post #8 |
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Der Spiegel is a left-leaning paper. They even blatantly mock the kids, saying they're 'hungry for a dictatorship.' If there was any truth in the claims, Die Linke -- the result of a merger between East Germany's communists and some die hard socialists from the SPD -- would be faring much better than they are in the polls. They're a fringe group, nothing more. They're also about to break in half, but that's neither here nor there. But Recon's more or less right in that people long for certain elements of the past. The DDR is white-washed ("Not even half of young people in eastern Germany describe the GDR as a dictatorship, and a majority believe the Stasi was a normal intelligence service," Schroeder concluded in a 2008 study of school students. "These young people cannot, and in fact have no desire to, recognize the dark sides of the GDR."). More than what Recon said, Hans-Werner Sinn ('is Deutschland noch zu retten?') comments on how East Germans traveled to West Germany to purchase... bananas. They wouldn't surrender what they have in return for nothing. Communism in Germany, Russia, and the rest of the Warsaw Pact won't truly die until everyone who lived under it has died. Belarus seems intent to hold on to it, though. |
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| United States [Sel] | Jul 13 2009, 01:39 PM Post #9 |
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| zzcalaveraslol | Jul 13 2009, 03:03 PM Post #10 |
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<<<< Calls East Germany if it splits |
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| He's dead Jim... | Jul 13 2009, 03:19 PM Post #11 |
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I dont understand Russian but it's red and er.. in Russian so I agree ! XD CURSE THAT LANGUAGE ! |
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| Dax | Jul 13 2009, 06:37 PM Post #12 |
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Might make an interesting RP opportunity for Schwer, though: reconstruction of the Berlin Wall. |
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| Stoklomolvi | Jul 13 2009, 06:41 PM Post #13 |
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I'm not sure how you knew it was Russian since to you it was gibberish... Long live the Union! |
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| zzdusty | Jul 13 2009, 06:46 PM Post #14 |
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Belgium needs some action so if Germany splits I'm sending in my Kapitalist Kommandos.
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| He's dead Jim... | Jul 14 2009, 05:41 AM Post #15 |
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I can read Sel's but because I quoted it and I dont have the language pack or whatever, it messed up for me. <_< Maybe this is more fitting ? Proletarier aller Länder, vereinigt Euch ! East Germany is so much better.
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| Schwerpunkt | Jul 14 2009, 01:21 PM Post #16 |
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Except it's unrealistic. Belgium splitting in half is more likely, as is a civil war in Ukraine. |
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| zzdusty | Jul 14 2009, 01:37 PM Post #17 |
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I'm thinking of a Belgian Civil War. The right winged Flanders against the Socialist south. |
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| He's dead Jim... | Jul 14 2009, 02:01 PM Post #18 |
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Seen it done before.
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| zzJJ | Jul 14 2009, 02:46 PM Post #19 |
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What if a country split into 3 parts??? Always the world see's two parts but now what if there was a North, South and then North-East or whatever...hmmm? hmmm? |
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| He's dead Jim... | Jul 14 2009, 02:52 PM Post #20 |
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Lol... Dont tell Korea that.. :rolleyes: North Korea - Communist South Korea - Capitalist West Korea - Nationalist East Korea - Theocracy and on and on.. :lol: |
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