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| Space Colonization; Expanding the Warfield bigger!! | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 3 2009, 09:16 AM (532 Views) | |
| zz(Dwight) | Aug 3 2009, 09:16 AM Post #1 |
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I was wondering if we could expand to Moon, and RL 21st Century is not far from that happening. US and the Russia can be the people who could launch possibly a RP lunar bases to moon. This could spark some you know, war soon. We're not gonna yet have a SPACE WAR!! Only colonization, no laser guns, pulse guns, anti-matter guns and whatever stuff!! Only Space Colonization and Exploration. Thoughts??? |
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| Max | Aug 3 2009, 10:02 AM Post #2 |
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I approve of a discussion on this, but my position is fairly mixed; I think the question should be answered completely but as of yet, I don't have a position. If that makes any sense, at all. |
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| zzdusty | Aug 3 2009, 10:14 AM Post #3 |
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Space bases are not plausible, the cost in getting oxygen to and from there would be huge to give to a space settlement. |
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| zzalusha | Aug 3 2009, 10:18 AM Post #4 |
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Honestly, what benefits are there? It costs a fuck ton of money, Only a few countries can even colonize it, and on top of that, what the hell DOES it do for us? |
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| zzBugs | Aug 3 2009, 10:18 AM Post #5 |
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So long as it remains colonization. And even that I'm kind of sketchy on. I am concerned about the possibilities of what humans would do to space really, just by looking at what we do here. But I guess a personal opinion doesn't matter on this. So again, as long as it's colonization. Space exploration is supposed to be a unifying thing. Not a "who's moon is it" like Antarctica or something. |
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| United States [Sel] | Aug 3 2009, 10:34 AM Post #6 |
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On 1.0, China colonized Mars, but that was because we went all the way to 2047, which no one seems inclined to do here (plus it would take like 3 years on our timescale). |
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| zzBugs | Aug 3 2009, 10:35 AM Post #7 |
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Wasn't the old timescale two weeks per year? |
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| Greece (TheOne) | Aug 3 2009, 10:49 AM Post #8 |
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To those against, if you take that sort of attitude, then why bother being here at all? What does it do for us/you/whatever? To those for or in the middle, I don't doubt it's possible. In fact I think if they put forward enough funding it wont be long before we had people on Mars. But what I think will prevent anyone from rping such a thing until it's actually done, is technology. We don't know how or with what, exactly, it's going to be done. Well, maybe someone knows the exact plans..you know, like what the shuttle replacement is, what the colonists will stay in once on the moon, and all that. Unless someone here just makes something up which is reasonably realistic/believable. |
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| zzBugs | Aug 3 2009, 11:01 AM Post #9 |
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I agree with TheOne here. As I said, I have qualms about it. But I don't think it should limit those who are actually capable of doing it. Will I, as Australia be doing it? Hell nah. But it shouldn't stop the Russian, US, Chinese, and other more advanced nations. |
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| Zactarn Prime | Aug 3 2009, 12:18 PM Post #10 |
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It is very possible and if you want me to sound nerdy and idiotic, you could use some of the Star Wars technology. It is explained very well, makes sense, could in theory be done. Some of it. For the purposes of launching a rocket and a space colony I think it could be used as a fine basis. |
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| Schwerpunkt | Aug 3 2009, 12:28 PM Post #11 |
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NASA's 'colony' is planned for 2024. I don't see how that number can be bumped up very far, considering NASA's more or less the expert among experts on the matter. |
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| J.B. Hemlock | Aug 3 2009, 01:25 PM Post #12 |
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I'm in favor of allowing space exploration, colonization, whatever. The only thing is, I'm not in favor of allowing new technology for this. Rockets, catalytic burners, artificial gravity induced by spin, hydroponics, electric thrusters - good to go. Solar sails, NERVA-style engines, mass drivers - probably, but I'd want to see lots of good R&D RP around them. Antimatter, Star Wars tech, space elevators - no way. There's a surprising amount of research showing what you can do with current tech. Look at Gerald K O'Neil's research, for a good example of this. |
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| zzskylar | Aug 3 2009, 04:29 PM Post #13 |
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*Kyrgyzstan [Skylar] shuffles, not wanting to reveal Russia's colony on the dark side of the moon... |
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| Russia (X) | Aug 3 2009, 04:54 PM Post #14 |
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It's all fake I tell ya! The moon landing, Elvis' death! It's all a fake! But seriously, I agree with JB. A lot. |
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| United States [Sel] | Aug 3 2009, 11:49 PM Post #15 |
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1.0 was 1 week a year. If we reach the time when we can realistically have space colonies, there is no reason to forbid them. But, we have yet to get past 2017 in any incarnation after 1.0. |
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| zzBugs | Aug 4 2009, 12:43 AM Post #16 |
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I think we need to really push for making it further than 2017 also. True realism gets out of touch. But the way I see it, most modern nations have their plans for future military force 2020. And they don't all seem completely unfeasible. Those crazy ideas, might need to be checked into, assuming it can be played out, and developed properly. I mean, we're looking at new nuclear reactors...small hovercrafts (not talking the Jetsons shit though)...NASCAR running electric cars. Shit, robots to work McDonalds. Stuff that is doable, within the realm of our imaginations, assuming we explain it well enough. But at the same time, all generations have had to deal with much the same problems. Hunger...war, hatred. Stuff that will likely be around for decades more most likely. 2020 or bust. |
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| J.B. Hemlock | Aug 4 2009, 02:20 AM Post #17 |
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2020 really isn't that far away. Think about it. How much did things change from 1969 to 1980? Not a whole bunch, and there wasn't really anything that was developed which couldn't be foreseen. Looking at military tech from the US, since military tech is a good early adopter and since the US went through extremely rapid development between 1969 and 1980, you really mainly see:
In addition, towards 1980, a few new programs were being finished up and readied for production:
So you're not really looking at huge levels of advancement. I don't mean to belittle any of these things, but there's nothing that's unexpected. The new generation of fighters is about the most significant, and you can consider that they're basically in the same boat as the F-35 is now - a new generation of fighters which will be used for the next 30-40 years. I'd expect, by 2030, to see something like this for US military tech:
Once again, nothing particularly extreme, especially considering there is no longer a cold war driving rapid military tech development. |
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| zzBugs | Aug 4 2009, 11:19 AM Post #18 |
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That's my point. The military tech isn't going to be that far advanced. I think either Obama or NASA (forget which) is talking about trying to put a man on the moon again. Creating a moon base would probably even be an international project, like the International Space Station. It doesn't have to be some giant colony of 10,000 people. Probably a few hundred. A small redneck village lol. |
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| United States [Sel] | Aug 4 2009, 12:01 PM Post #19 |
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We can reasonably project what will occur then realistically. There is also that 2025 report I have yet to finish. <_< |
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| Mexico (Hubris) | Aug 4 2009, 03:05 PM Post #20 |
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I claim the Sun. NOW YOU WILL ALL BOW TO MY WILL! |
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| United States [Sel] | Aug 4 2009, 03:58 PM Post #21 |
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You know I almost was going to do a Solar System-based RP set in 2400 or so instead of bringing back 21c last year. |
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| zzskylar | Aug 4 2009, 04:39 PM Post #22 |
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You should craft one anyway. I get Ganymede. |
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| zzcrackzilla | Aug 4 2009, 08:29 PM Post #23 |
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NASA is crippled and hamstrung by a tiny budget and demands to show immediate results - particularly profitable results, rather than scientific knowledge. They could improve quite a bit if they got sorted out - right now, they can't decide if they're a corporate interest or a scientific organization. |
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| Schwerpunkt | Aug 4 2009, 08:41 PM Post #24 |
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In other words, they're like every other space organization in existence? |
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| zz(Dwight) | Aug 4 2009, 08:50 PM Post #25 |
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Well, technically, the purpose of this Space Colonization/Exploration is to reach beyond Earth. Also, this could cause a war again...a Space Race in terms of US/China like in Cold War, and a conflict (a WW3 in Earth) due to fighting for the lands of the moon. (I'm not saying the WW3 will be like Star Wars or whatsoever, I'm saying is a grand scale modern tech [not post-modern tech] WW3 wherein M1 Abrams roll down the Chinese territory due to some sort of secretly breaking an International UN Law which has been found out by the US, and other stuffs like that]. I have more...I mean US NASA is getting tiny budget as some say and this could hinder NASA's projects to Moon or Mars, and European/Russian/Chinese space agencies can take the advantage of NASA's tiny budget and get their names first on a certain space project, and if possible, this could spark the next Space Race Question which is "Who will be the first man on the Mars??" Also a note, I think by now we should announce the completion of the International Space Station which is suppose to be done 4-5 years ago? |
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| Senders | Aug 4 2009, 09:46 PM Post #26 |
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NASA wants to put a man back on the moon by 2020. It was Bush's space policy with the "Vision for Space Exploration". But yeah, the ISS should be finished by now on 21c (the last schedule module is planned to be installed in 2011). So it should be fully operational by now. I don't expect space colonization (at least on the moon or anything) to be plausible, at least not until I've reached old age. Affordable space tourism is something which I expect to be acheived by the late 2030s'. Technology is progressing faster then it has ever had in history, but most of the advancements would be focused on the products of the consumer. Advancements are going to be consumer driven I believe in this century, take for example the PC. Ten years ago, I had a computer that is as powerful as a... cell phone today. In a more related example, my ten year old PC was more powerful then the computer systems that managed the Apollo missions to the Moon. The next challenge towards space exploration won't be focused on getting there, it would be focused on the needs of the human body. Right now the biggest problem we face towards a manned mission to Mars is the restraints on the human body. Of course, if we want to make things simpler, we can always just say those Nazi conspiracy theories about how their on the Moon is real... |
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| zzrider | Aug 4 2009, 09:53 PM Post #27 |
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Pish...as soon as I get the commies out of power in Zimbabwe and turn it into the imperialist shrine of Rhodesia I'm building Gundams from gundanium alloy I find on the moon and f!cking ya'll up :lol: then we will see who owns space |
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| United States [Sel] | Aug 4 2009, 10:17 PM Post #28 |
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Sounds familiar... |
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