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Should We Instate a Trade Forum for non-military trade?
Yes, it would add a new dimension to the RPing and create depth. 9 (34.6%)
Yes, others might get enjoyment out of it, though I probably wouldn't use it. 3 (11.5%)
No, it will create yet another facet of RPing for players to handle, as well as dissuade new players from joining 4 (15.4%)
No, because the same can be done in the Duty Free Shop 5 (19.2%)
No, and I don't know why 2 (7.7%)
Yes, and I don't know why. 3 (11.5%)
Total Votes: 26
Trade Forum Installation; Pseudo-Democracy
Topic Started: Aug 9 2009, 06:42 PM (536 Views)
Dax
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Vote, if you please.
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zzalusha
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Whoops messed up make that +1 for choice #4 and -1 for choice #5
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Schwerpunkt
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$10 says the six who voted for it wouldn't even use it.
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Greece (TheOne)
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,10 Aug 2009 02.27.43] $10 says the six who voted for it wouldn't even use it.

$10 says at least one of those six will.

Unnamed inside sources say one of the six is me.


I think however that a "General Global Trade" sub-forum should be created inside the Duty Free Shop.
Or perhaps create a "Global Arms Trading" sub-forum in the Duty Free Shop, and use the Duty Free Shop for general trading..
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Schwerpunkt
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Which doesn't make much sense.

I still don't understand why this needs a new forum, especially considering bilateral trade agreements have more or less always been the cornerstone of diplomacy here.
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I have a list of this in my D/N already but it was never used... a dedicated forum will be more useful.

The main reason this is a good idea is because, governments normally do not negotiate for privately owned MNCs.

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In general it’s a good idea, I just don’t think it will work TBH. We all would like a good Rp where people are able to buy companies (Under game rules we reformed last round you can.)

However the fact is, unless you have a clear direction of these trades its going to get “Iraq buys Microsoft and moves Hq to Baghdad” etc.

Btw, Schwer, I don’t think you want the list published, because everyone will notice how much money you are making from your foreign deals lol
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Greece (TheOne)
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This isn't about trade agreements, I'm pretty sure that is clear from Bug's first post.
I think the general idea Bugs had was for people to showcase, or have storefronts for various comapnies of different types of industries, and governments could buy and do business with them, or company to company.
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Pretty much what TheOne said. Trade agreements are nice. But it doesn't help when your not actually exporting anything, but just claim to be. Maybe that country doesn't want that much of whatever your exporting, doesn't have the demand.

Plus more so, I vaguely got the idea from Recon in a way. It was mostly something from something he said in the Practice Pit. I figured this was the path least...or not traveled thus far.

As for it being in Duty Free...that would be nice. But let's face it. Duty Free has been completely turned into a primarily military trade forum. It's a clusterfuck that has four pages. Mind you, one or two pages could be deleted since they aren't used it seems.

Plus, in the subwriting of the DFS
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Actually anything involving money transfer other than regular trade should probably go here.

I'm not exactly sure what that means, but it doesn't sound like it is intended for RPing.

But more of a point in case is that we do have another forum that is...well not exactly used. That being the World Bank? The last post in there was from Schwer's Augsburg convention. It was originally intended to be the economics thread. What I might suggest is that the World Bank forum be revamped to something like this...

-Change the primary name. It's not just about government trade agreements.
-Make the World Bank one of the key forums. This would mostly become the area for information (assuming we have an econ mod) or a place for creating guides.
-A forum dubbed the International Monetary Fund as a place for RPers to seek help, and ask questions about economies, answers which could be provided by other players. A help thread basically, unless we called it "Help Thread" and used IMF for something else.
-Economics Shop would be much like the DFS. Generally, any country with a company or something to sell would make a thread. For other trade agreements, talks, Rping a new thread could be made. Unless a subforum were created to keep the primary page from becoming a clusterfuck of the Rping that could go on.

EDIT: Cute name for "Primary name"=Global Trade Forum
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zzHombre
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i dont like this idea since its a little silly. i mean sure countries sometimes decide to trade tons of sugar for tons of iron or other sorts of commodities but does that stuff really deserve attention here? this is a political roleplay more than anything else right?

the other thing is that private businesses engage in the majority of contracts. that limits the effectiveness of the forum down to embargoes, quotas, tariffs and other restrictions that arent really useful for countries who want to engage in free trade.
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If nothing else, this forum, should it be passed, needs to replace the World Bank forum...
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,10 Aug 2009 10.50.49] i dont like this idea since its a little silly. i mean sure countries sometimes decide to trade tons of sugar for tons of iron or other sorts of commodities but does that stuff really deserve attention here? this is a political roleplay more than anything else right?

the other thing is that private businesses engage in the majority of contracts. that limits the effectiveness of the forum down to embargoes, quotas, tariffs and other restrictions that arent really useful for countries who want to engage in free trade.

Australia is like...the most laissez faire nation in the world in terms of economics. For some, there are just those nations that really do not need to have the kind of drastic Rping that might need to be done for a nation such as Somalia. The politics of most advanced nations are fairly set in stone. True, if a player wanted to make something new up, he could. But it would take some time. And the fact that it might even take a year to even establish a relative political power, makes it so much more boring to do, since it would take a month of real time.

That being said, my basic point is that if you have a nation that has things planned pretty much, and only need minor tweeks, something like this could be of relative interest. Because the game isn't about responding to every damn coup that pops up. It's not about responding to the calls for aid or the accusations of terrorism. Because as often as that happens, hell I might as well sit and be active as the players who make those random ass things happen.

As far as whether or not this should be about RPing trade, is suggesting that this game is all about conquering the world and the solar system, or political maniupulation. It's not just "politics."
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zzHombre
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hmm

i used to play galactic civilization 2 so i see your point there. you can influence the world through trade just like you can influence the world through conquest.

still dedicated moderation would be needed in order for this to work. otherwise players just wont know what to do with the forum since commodity exchange and trade barriers will be the primary things going on there.
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Abstain. I dont have an opinion.
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