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| Yeong | Jan 1 2009, 04:21 AM Post #1 |
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Refer to the topic. Which one do you prefer? Whole squad arranged by Platoon or Mix with other platoon? As for now, we're mixing all platoons boys together in each squad. But in the past few years, which happened to me for a year where the squad is sorted by platoons where squad 1~5 is GRSS platoon, 6~8 is KTSS platoon and 9~10 is OSS platoon. I don't know you guys know why im creating this topic because from my opinion i do think that Squad listed by Platoons is better but of coz each one hav their PROs and CONs but i do think that the PROs of listed by platoon is more than the mix one.. As u all know, our company strength is dropping quite bad until now. I don't know where goes wrong. Issit the own boys' problem? cultural shock? squad problem? squad leader problem? or even officers problem? I just need you guys out there's opinion. Please voice out any of your opinion or suggeestion! Will be much appreciated for the replies... |
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| nigelsim | Jan 1 2009, 10:32 AM Post #2 |
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i prefer to be mix lo... dunno y la... i think can pei yang gan qing more... haha... but according to platoon is gud but u guys tend to have yr own gang which is not gud.. n everytime like grss so mani ppl but pss so few ppl like dat oso not gud la... not sui la to see... |
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| yeahbaby | Jan 1 2009, 01:02 PM Post #3 |
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yaya... i think mix is better , jz like wat mr nigel said.... cn pei yang gan qi lol~ boys cn oso meet other sch's boys but not only same sch 1.... i think now is better... yeahbaby@_@ Edited by yeahbaby, Jan 1 2009, 01:02 PM.
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| mic_8687 | Jan 1 2009, 01:18 PM Post #4 |
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in my opinion, i do think mix is better.... as you can know more friends yar..... besides, we can oso LEARN to co-operate with students from other school... same as above, members will get into PSS gang, KTSS gang, and GRSS gang...... (as they don't co-operate with other school).... AND MOST IMPORTANT... NCOs will not help other NCOs from others school (they just try their best to manage their own platoon)... Platoon with more members like GRSS, with no help of other school NCOs.... it is hard to manage such a big platoon..... and KTSS and PSS with less members are easier to manage... what for the officers promote them as NCOs if they don't help others..... that's all my opinion...... =) |
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| fancy | Jan 2 2009, 12:06 AM Post #5 |
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Wahahaha.. i come back.. "Fancy Returned".. ............. Kk.. About this matter, my opinion is dont mix good. why? I) platoon by platoon can make everyone feel very warm, because everyone beside is kenal de, will feel more like family, so boys wont easy quit because of feeling lonely.. and what about pei yang gan qing with other school?? Do you really comfirm can pei yang gan qing like that?? truely?? i cant gurrantee.. i know no one can gurratee.. before say pei yang gan qing with other school, but ask us a question - is all ppl in the same school knowing each other very well liao?? i dont think so.. maybe for now is relly true.. because our company strength is quit low.. but what if next year we got a lot of recruit? i dont think form1 or peralihan people will like to pei yang gan qing with other scool people 1st.. not many people like ah san that kind of tian shen socialise person.. now.. how to build bonding with other school? we can build during camp.. camp is the best way.. second is during community service.. third is game.. fourth is during bible class or award class.. but this one not efficient la.. because if devide group they always will find zi ji ren first.. haha.. talk back to mix one.. mix in one squad will make the communicate(knowing) time of them longer?? not think so.. they only stand together during opening and closing without talking, then all class is sperate, then game saperate, then maybe singspiration got sit with squad(but in singing how do u talk?).. so in the end dint show any ming xian advantages in mix.. II) platoon by platoon can make squad leader easier to handel.. this one i can gurrantee, many people also can gurrantee.. Y? no need talk so much.. because same school ma.. the probability to having contact point in anyway is bigger and bigger, even wanna see his parent also easy, just wait him after school.. i dont want hear anyone say "if you xin, mix school also can ma, a squad leader if you xin is dont care his biys is other school or not, you xin find sure can find ma.." this stupid statement i dont want to hear form any idiot!!
dont always misusing the "you xin"! if relly want to say "you xin", a squad leader of unmixing squad put same level "you xin" of the squad leader of mixing squad, who can come out better result.. EXP: if u can manage boys at his house(mix), u can find boys at school and at his house(unmix), if u can call her parent(mix), you can talk to his parent in front them(unmix).. and so so.. and squad leader no need pass the "problem" to other people for help, we are not david beckhem, what we pass may lost in between.. hehe.. and squad leader hard to face the problem boy in the "front line".. and squad leader cant say "because of mixing squad so is harder to manage.." wahahaha.. no more ti\his kind of jie kou liao.. so every squad must do better.. no.. is able to make the best.. now.. let us try to see side effect and how to solve it.. I) people tend to have own gang.. if mix wont la? so ka? so desu ka?? SOME TIME (some time means not always)mix will make them more tend to making own gang.. because cant be with frend ma... so if got little change they mix gather together liao... haha... if is gang gang one, make them gang mix gang la.. i think would be better than personal mix personal.. like what u know? like pesta.. a gang mix with another gang, then when gang mix gang will become very fun.. i know some of you will know what i say.. this is NCO job to do liao.. NCO become a very good gang 1st.. then make your own school gang mix with other school gang in activities.. this is what we shud think of.. we must step to next level liao.. and if NCO of different school mix very well, then boys will be influence.. like if dennis kho best friend with lee jia haw.. then can make 2 squad fellowship or what... or something like that.. the boys see my squad leader best with that squad leader, they will also tend to best with that squad people also.. it is call influence.. not always have big effect la.. but still is a good ways.. can be try... but STRONGLY SUGGEST that apply in condiction: NCOs MUST totally have good bonding and dint have problem each other.. otherwise will cause a lot of things..(this could talk further so dont want elaborate..) and if NCOs is good then wont be afraid "gang tyle of resignation".. because squad leader do their own job very well.. Haiyo.. 1 thing nia la.. NCOs good can solve problem I), and NCOs is resposible to be good, so i think problem I) is not a big problem.. II) squad looks not good because GRSS has many people and KTSS, PSS, OSS, will become more little and little.. and unmix will casing unfair to OSS.. this is a big problem also.. but.. i dont think GRSS is TOO MORE people right now.. since our total company strength is.. haiz... even now majority still GRSS is the back bond.. but this one can be solve if KTSS and PSS can recruit more people.. and if can.. kuching height will be a very good "pasaran".. haha.. and make the squad only 6 ppl like that wont make squad bad looking.. hehe.. and less people good for squad leader to handel also.. then about the unfair for OSS.. we no nid OSS lo... anyone other school assign to the squad leader who is more capable.. if got certain ammount of OSS, then assign to all squad lo.. or.. we can like.. KH go PSS lo, lodge go KTSS lo..something like that.. then will be half mix liao right?? HAHAHAHAHA in the end not mix and not unmix.. is half mix.. HAHAHAHAHA .........hmm......... sumimasen.. to exited.. then is good lo... got platoon one and little mix one.. fair enough to both side?? hehe.. i not reliase also... when write until here baru reliase that: eh!! become half mix oh! haha! anyway.. i like platoon one at 1st.. now little mix i feel not bad also.. hehe.. anyone got any idea.. please share.. am i inspiring u? do u find out anything i miss looking at? please voice out.. thanks.. for those who support dont mix please elaborate.. who supprot mix also please elaborate.. and who supprt half mix(can it be call half mix?? haha..) also also elaborate.. hehe... arigatou gozaimasu.. ganbatte mina san.. for our LORD JESUS CHRIST( great captain), we do the best!!
Edited by fancy, Jan 2 2009, 12:09 AM.
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| chris ngu | Jan 2 2009, 12:08 AM Post #6 |
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i think that mixing is better too.. reason is d same wit others la.. but i think dat jus us sayin dat mix gud gud gud.. i think we should also listen 2 S/Sgt Tiong's reasoning too.. |
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| Yeong | Jan 2 2009, 01:02 AM Post #7 |
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okay.. tat's the reason im not giving any of my PROs and CONs at my 1st post.. some of my reasons are all stated by fancy (w/o chang) already. We squad by mix so wad? take attendance during opening parade oso din talk much or to say totally din talk tiok.. n den go class oso mix liao den games oso mix... so, y not just making the 'maintaining members' job easier by sorted by platoon since they are in the same school and will meet up more frequent.. so, the contacting squad members is no longer a hard job for squad leader and no such reason like "cannot contact my squad member this week". if stil get this reason by squad leader when the squad is sorted by platoons, then u can ask the squad leader to slap himself for talking crap... And.. yeah as u all knows, if we join bb, we always hang around with bb members during school time like recess or watsoever free time we have. (this may not be true for now.. i dunnoe) by this the bonding between each other really can make the attendance wont be driving up n down too exaggerate... hmm okay there's much more PROs but now i talk bout some Cons Cons is yeah.. Gang A Gang B will be appeared with higher possibility. Becoz bonding too gud between each other then when some problem come across to tat group/gang, then they might come up with quiting BB TOGETHER/(WHOLE GANG) and ended up we very hard to save the whole gang back. u noe la.. nowadays de kids dun think much... they just do what they think den.. yeah.... this case happened too.. and this is the Cons lor.. still got more la.. we wait for other ppl to comment.. =) feel free to correct each other if u do think of another way.. this is a forum where we discuss things together and find a solution for it.. and yeah.. happy reading! haha Edited by Yeong, Jan 2 2009, 01:03 AM.
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| ptewee | Jan 2 2009, 01:30 AM Post #8 |
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i second this. as for the rest, tl;dr Edited by ptewee, Jan 2 2009, 01:33 AM.
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| SiuYi | Jan 2 2009, 09:48 AM Post #9 |
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if u were to ask me by experience, il take by platoon. its juz an easy reason to do so:easy to contact due to same school. however it might be unfair to OSS, but its better do have 8 squads maintained as proper as possible than leaving the whole company mess up..so..its up to u guys to figure it out. ptewee i second that too. |
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| hiten098 | Jan 2 2009, 01:41 PM Post #10 |
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Wahahaha~!! So long didn't have this kind of post anymore ah? Hahahah!! >.< Hmm... my opinion? After reading all those long sentences (all thanks to the contributors I guess... =_=), I guess I would go for squads with own platoon members. To say this by my experiences in BB, well, it's not too bad for squads with mixed platoon members too. Either both, it doesn't really matter to me whether it's mixed platoon members or own platoon members since we still 'hang out' pretty well together. I guess my squad leaders at the time did do their trick of 'sticking us together' pretty good. I myself as the assistant squad leader didn't have any problem of communication or teamwork even with members from different platoons. I guess it all lies in the squad leaders, as well as the NCOs. Why I said so? Think yourself lar! You all were and still are leaders!! Hahaha!! Anyway, one of the few matters I would strongly say YES!!! in this thread is fancy's point of influences through leaders. p/s It really works!!! That's what I do now in university - influences through leaders (SOAR Advisors to be exact) to new students in university, giving them hints of how to survive in university. Take that in leaders and trust me on this - you are and will always be the examples of others. Well, that's all from me for now! You'll hear more from me~ Hehehe~ =P |
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| LvIN | Jan 2 2009, 11:31 PM Post #11 |
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haha...at first all go for mix then now all go for platoon I prefer by PLATOON fenny...remember last time we argued in front of old sanc? u're trying to disagree my opinion Relationship if u say wanna build relationship by mixing, abolish squad system! build relationship with ur own sch boys first we're not superman, knot always jaga kasut tepi orang u cnt even take care of those in ur own sch, y bother others? knowing a lot of boys 50% isn't any better if you know some boys 100% having 1 awesome fren is better than 100 bad frens to know everyone in BB, isn't through mixing...pros of mixing=if u get 10 ppl a sq...at the end, u only know 10 ppl... so if mixing only to get u to know that 9 ppl, not worth it...as u know...efficiency is much much much affected see this Principle of Utilitarianism Gang? come on...wat gangs can BB boys form? gangs that fight and quarrel? gangs r formed for similar interests and it's there relationships r formed...more topics will be introduced between 'own' ppl will u feel stronger urge to go BB if there's competition? gangs do promote competition...and u wanna show GRSS wat PSS is...and be proud of ur own sch Efficiency efficiency is the key to success, without efficiency...u wait long long then u know i.e. one day... A du la: i dun wan u all to blame each other la! later an wa come then big matter liao... u're not close enuf; need build relationship; tmr i'll merge all ministries together! so tat u menteri kesihatan can also work with pengangkutan ministry... enuf problem liao! total strength is declining and u're creating problems and difficulties for NCOs... when difficulties r there, accept it that NCOs r not that gud enuf to handle other sch boys, the system is crushed... at the end...we complain NCOs for not doing their work, not informing, no commitment, etc... when they c the obstacles, they feel defeated and give up being responsible P/S: dun worry too much, 2nd Kuching isn't that weak after all... 1 difference i notice between 2SJ and 2KCH is the way officers and members socialize...can 2KCH speak politely to boys who did wrong? scolding isn't the better way i think... treat everyone as adults with respects, not scolding and insulting...i think it's bad... not even NS scold trainees in that way... 2nd KCH isn't a full time intensive training camp there's a manual given by 2SJ and there i read: when one is wrong, pull him aside and lecture; not pointing him in the crowd when u're trying to talk in front of crowd, praise em |
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| SiuYi | Jan 3 2009, 04:14 PM Post #12 |
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er..whose fanny?w/o chang??which and who? LvIN its nice to have u to sound up like that in here.but did u sound up in the meeting?was once an issue for this discipline stuff but did any nco do to commit in improving discipline problems?all company face some social and discipline issues.i visited 3rd kajang and guess wat?the officers and members are like friends. and guess wat?friends till members dun even care to greet the officers and juz call out names.furthermore with 2 sergeants, they cant even proceed to a normal opening ceremony from the drill handbooks.they apply with their own version and its all mix up.Officers mostly emphasize on the spiritual side but not much on discipline?not to say im so BB-addicted, but the twin pillars?if u feel like going ahead, do so.by right, when there's will, there's way. cheers. no hard feelings as well.juz pointing out several ticks in the hair. |
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| ptewee | Jan 3 2009, 05:09 PM Post #13 |
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| raymond | Jan 4 2009, 05:26 PM Post #14 |
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one more vote to "platoon" here... *yeong.. do voting better oh.* all my reasons are oredy mentioned above by others le.. n, squad by platoon won't really divide gang eh... have u seen any now? |
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| clementsls | Jan 4 2009, 05:35 PM Post #15 |
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erm... tat's me ther.. paiseh paiseh.. tis raymond banyak hal.. one com share wid him mahhuan.. btw... by platoon really will increase efficiency especially on attendance.. the dividing gang won't happen de lar |
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Wahahaha.. i come back.. "Fancy Returned"..
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Kk.. About this matter, my opinion is dont mix good. why? I) platoon by platoon can make everyone feel very warm, because everyone beside is kenal de, will feel more like family, so boys wont easy quit because of feeling lonely.. and what about pei yang gan qing with other school?? Do you really comfirm can pei yang gan qing like that?? truely?? i cant gurrantee.. i know no one can gurratee.. before say pei yang gan qing with other school, but ask us a question - is all ppl in the same school knowing each other very well liao?? i dont think so.. maybe for now is relly true.. because our company strength is quit low..
but what if next year we got a lot of recruit? i dont think form1 or peralihan people will like to pei yang gan qing with other scool people 1st.. not many people like ah san that kind of tian shen socialise person.. now.. how to build bonding with other school? we can build during camp.. camp is the best way.. second is during community service.. third is game.. fourth is during bible class or award class.. but this one not efficient la.. because if devide group they always will find zi ji ren first.. haha.. talk back to mix one.. mix in one squad will make the communicate(knowing) time of them longer?? not think so.. they only stand together during opening and closing without talking, then all class is sperate, then game saperate, then maybe singspiration got sit with squad(but in singing how do u talk?).. so in the end dint show any ming xian advantages in mix.. II) platoon by platoon can make squad leader easier to handel.. this one i can gurrantee, many people also can gurrantee.. Y? no need talk so much.. because same school ma.. the probability to having contact point in anyway is bigger and bigger, even wanna see his parent also easy, just wait him after school.. i dont want hear anyone say "if you xin, mix school also can ma, a squad leader if you xin is dont care his biys is other school or not, you xin find sure can find ma.." this stupid statement i dont want to hear form any idiot!!
dont always misusing the "you xin"! if relly want to say "you xin", a squad leader of unmixing squad put same level "you xin" of the squad leader of mixing squad, who can come out better result.. EXP: if u can manage boys at his house(mix), u can find boys at school and at his house(unmix), if u can call her parent(mix), you can talk to his parent in front them(unmix).. and so so.. and squad leader no need pass the "problem" to other people for help, we are not david beckhem, what we pass may lost in between.. hehe.. and squad leader hard to face the problem boy in the "front line".. and squad leader cant say "because of mixing squad so is harder to manage.." wahahaha..
in the end not mix and not unmix.. is half mix.. HAHAHAHAHA
then is good lo... got platoon one and little mix one.. fair enough to both side?? hehe.. i not reliase also... when write until here baru reliase that: eh!! become half mix oh! haha! anyway.. i like platoon one at 1st.. now little mix i feel not bad also.. hehe.. anyone got any idea.. please share.. am i inspiring u? do u find out anything i miss looking at? please voice out.. thanks.. for those who support dont mix please elaborate.. who supprot mix also please elaborate.. and who supprt half mix(can it be call half mix?? haha..) also also elaborate.. hehe... arigatou gozaimasu.. ganbatte mina san.. for our LORD JESUS CHRIST( great captain), we do the best!!






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