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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 1 2009, 04:21 AM (2,417 Views) | |
| Yeong | Jan 4 2009, 06:13 PM Post #16 |
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haha... i shocked tiok ah when see raymond response tat.. tot since when he become so matured thinking? haha p/s: oh ya anyway.. poll added~! Edited by Yeong, Jan 4 2009, 06:17 PM.
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| chris ngu | Jan 4 2009, 07:20 PM Post #17 |
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haha.. ok.. ive read d comments.. hin man.. lol.. eventhough u say dat d tings wont happen ( which i hope for ), but can you be sure? there's oways dat possibility.. WHAT IF? |
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| clementsls | Jan 4 2009, 07:45 PM Post #18 |
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experience tells me no.. |
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r u sure or r u confidence 2 say now tat, BB is the best? pls never judge on wad u c.. watch on the process 1st, den the result.. ![]()
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| nigelsim | Jan 4 2009, 07:53 PM Post #19 |
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but to tell u de truth la... as a squad leader last time... if it wasnt becos dat dat particular boy (GRSS/KTSS/OSS) is in my squad, its hard for me to know their names esp if they r de quite type one... so if u put according to platoon, i guess most ncos or boys (those like me) wont get to know dem... |
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| Yeong | Jan 4 2009, 08:13 PM Post #20 |
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tat's becoz you never mix up with other platoon boys during other activities like Games/competition etc.... tat's yr personalities prob as a squad leader! |
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| SiuYi | Jan 4 2009, 08:17 PM Post #21 |
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chris ngu if ur expecting too much of "what if", then what should u do?sit there and wait?as a lance, u need to ask the seniors aka NCOs..so when the NCOs say wont, u ask them to proof that it wont, and at the same time u proof them it will..u learn by experiences. nigelsim kids nowadays..since i join till u came and when i left, generations changes..attitudes too..haiz..agree? p/s:i wont vote la..since im not in the company liaw so long.but do vote with faith.enjoy.cheers. |
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| hondajazz | Jan 4 2009, 09:22 PM Post #22 |
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i prefer platoon.. if like got any problem, squad leader can find them in their own school cause squad leader know better... if mix, the squad leader need to ask platoon leader to find the boys i think very mahuan for that.. |
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| nigelsim | Jan 5 2009, 09:06 AM Post #23 |
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yeong: i think its not a problem la... its just leadership style.. hahah... |
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| Yeong | Jan 5 2009, 11:44 AM Post #24 |
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tat's why becoz of the leadership problem, squad leader tends to be lazy and nt tat responsible now if we put mix... so if we put by platoons then they dun hav the reason to b lazy and they wont be lazy coz they owez can meet up in schools... |
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| iamnotaboy | Jan 5 2009, 11:55 AM Post #25 |
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Hello, it's been a while (since i posted). ![]() I'd like to say a few (hundreds) words!? It's always very interesting to see such kind of discussion here. but it would be great if this type of discussions can be brought into NCO COUNCIL! I see a trend here... most GRSS members prefer squad by platoon while other schools' members tend to prefer mixed squad (am i right?). why? what's the reason? Every year officer council will have lengthy discussions about our company's squad reshuffle (without much input from Boys)... we looked at quite a few aspects: - strength of Coy. & each platoon. - no. of NCOs (current & future). - past years' attendance result. - new recruits. - etc.. & We tried to distribute the squad evenly & equally (one of the reasons is to avoid putting too many 'problem Boys' into same squad). Questions to squad leaders (for thoughts): What would you feel when your squad members is the least (or the most) in opening/closing parade? Have you ever tried to achieved the best squad (not sure does the phenomenon of squad leaders competing each other even exist)? or you just don't care (only worried about punishment when your members is/are absent)? -- used to have best squad award many many years ago... From your past experience, what are the difficulties faced & have you tried to overcome it/ find a solution; discussed with other squad leaders; shared your experience with others in NCO council (especially your junior - new squad leaders... or even other companies)? What are the problems that we're facing now with our practice (mixed squad)? If we are going to change it, will the problems be solved, what are the new problems coming out? Or is there other way to improve current situation? Changes is good... anyway Glad you bring out this topic. I'd suggest that this topic is discussed in NCO council first (with input from privates), come out with a decision, then make the proposal to officer council, K. - platoon based? (why? how about those in other schools n small numbers... e.g. lodge, batu lintang?) - mixed? (why? how to improve?) - mixture of platoon+mixed? (how? squad leader form 1 school & assistant from another school?) Btw, 2kch is very much blessed (not many companies in Malaysia) with different schools in 1 company. & that we should all treasure that (i'm sure u all agree). ^^ oh... oth... i'm surprised to see LvIN's comment about officers relationship to Boys in 2kch!! I'm sad & sorry that you feel that way. Is that true that we officers (2kch) gave u such impression (not respecting Boys... always scolding + insulting)? you don't see officers as friends (even after discharged)? I wonder if other members feel the same way as LvIN? if that is true, then we (officers) would need to really look at ourselves & improve! but I'm glad you put up such a valuable comment. & would like (very interested) to know more! TQ! ~^ & lastly... again, really glad to see that you (all) share your 'seeing' in other companies here. Any sharing of good practices/suggestions you experienced in other companies are definitely welcomed & i believe that will help us (2kch) improving & growing!! cheers. ^^ w/o kuehjy |
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| LvIN | Jan 5 2009, 12:13 PM Post #26 |
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@siuyi erm...u r...? mr lee? sq by platoon or mix isn't our decision; it's officer council's. i, or at least some of us always wanna talk bout this. we did discussed bout this...i did asked an officer if i'm not mistaken...he said mixing better etc. i did face problems with mixing too n i din't quite enjoy it officers made the decision and i do feel they were firm with it. otherwise they would have asked the whole company bout that (just like the new program schedules that started in 2008), not even NCOs were asked to give opinions maybe if the whole NCOs council proposed that then the would the officer council take that into matter anyway...din't thought of bringing that into NCOs council (maybe to ask for more ppl to mogok) =) @nigel u c...mixing helped u to get to know maybe just the name of that particular boy in that whole year it's best when there r games, camps, team stuffs to get to know ppl in company if mixing's objective is to let boys get closer with those of other schs, i don see this objective being achieved since we're all from different schs...we could only 'mix' with them during opening, sq duty, closing etc. n another 1 is through phone call but...it's only between sq leader + member conversation...i dun think sq member + sq member will happen in phone call (though 1 or 2 cases may they call each other) n let's see sq leader + member conv., how long will an average NCO call his member? 5mins? 10? 15? 30? from my experience i'm sure an average NCO will only spend 1-2 mins: "hello, this saturday u coming? uniform 1pm-4pm ok? bye bye~" if member not coming then will ask 'why?...oh ok ok bye~' since mixing doesn't bring any obvious effect to the company over the years, it's time for a reformation we all have witnessed the decline of company strength; i think 'what if' should be used this way -> WHAT IF platoon brings positive effects? just like when u wanna persuade ur gf; i bet u wont use the same methods that don't work again n again take risks, it's 1 of most vital values of an entrepreneur or politician relationship building can always be achieved through other methods. y take this step (mix) despite there r many other ways? the word 'mix' already shows what it means...i.e. mixed up owh...i was writing this when yeong n imnotaboy posted... @imnotaboy i'm sorry that my words sounded so negative to officers i dun mean that la...sorry sorry...pls dun take that into account ah... maybe i had expressed it wrongly... i also dono y i used the word 'insult', sounds badactually i see this (scolding) more often between NCOs and boys and actually wat i wanted to bring up is... is it good that we use the way how captain talk? i din see him scolding boys or officers (maybe he does when i din see). when he was trying to point someone wrong, he uses the indirect way and makes that someone think...this method is interesting i think maybe we should use indirect way sometimes but not all the time again, I'm very sorry if my previous post offended anyone i'm thankful to have been in 2nd Kuching Company. this is the truth n do respect and love everyone there...all officers and boys, not even 1 particular member that i dislike Officers do put together a lot of effort in officer's council etc. and it's glad to have u all too! platoon + mix (assist. from other sch) might be an interesting 1! Edited by LvIN, Jan 5 2009, 12:50 PM.
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| nigelsim | Jan 5 2009, 12:23 PM Post #27 |
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eh i voted for platoon in de end ok??? =P |
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| chris ngu | Jan 5 2009, 07:56 PM Post #28 |
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wa.. so many posts in such little time.. haha.. what i mean with 'what if' is dat dere's a possibility dat sumting lidat can happen.. sure, the senior NCO's hav proof dat it din happen in d past, but can dey predict d future? their batch n dis batch might not b d same case.. u nvr noe.. n btw, im not asking 4 dis gang gang ting 2 happen la.. im jus statin dat its still a possibility..n i'd lyk 2 same sum more.. say we do go by platoon, if other companies come n visit den dey c d way we organise our squad.. dey might tink lyk ' dese ppl all kaki lang 1.. dun mix 1..' dat will affect d way dey c our coy.. dun u tink so? i too tink dat makin dis decision is entirely in our power.. we can try askin biys 1st dun u tink so? dat was in my opinion nia la.. |
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| Yeong | Jan 5 2009, 09:37 PM Post #29 |
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oh ya chris... this is not consider as many posts in such a little time.. last time can make until 20 replies in just half an hour... so, this is still consider as not tat active... but still much better than the dead forum b4.. lolzz another thing... outside people won't judge us by tat de eventho from own school cause they only see tat during opening parade and they know we're just taking attendance only.. other companies no nid say... they sure dunnoe we're from different schools.... dun even know who are from which school... |
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| clementsls | Jan 5 2009, 11:47 PM Post #30 |
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chris ah... though it's a gud thing tat u think of the 'wad if' in wadever decision u make... but if u take all the 'wad if' too seriously or too afraid of it, u will end up doing nth or fall into a deep dillema.. u nid to take risk in things u do.. every decision u make will hav their negative outcome.. it's juz concerning wad decision suits wad condition or situation... n comparing the effects of all decision, choose the decision wif least negative outcome or most suit the situation lor.. be sure n forceful enuf in leading n following.. btw.. do read each n every word the 'old folks' posted up ther.. dey do help.. don't juz glance thru.. i noe we do feel lazy wid tons of words ther.. >.< gud luck |
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r u sure or r u confidence 2 say now tat, BB is the best? pls never judge on wad u c.. watch on the process 1st, den the result.. ![]()
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i also dono y i used the word 'insult', sounds bad
im jus statin dat its still a possibility..
10:18 PM Jul 11