| Welcome to the 3lue Diamond Clan! If you're seeing this, it means you are viewing the 3DC boards as a guest. This allows you to see a couple of our forums, but you won't be able to post. Please take the time to look through these and, if you like what you see, register. Registration is quick, easy, and free. Once you register, you will be able to see and post in all of the forums, as well as partake in other member-only features such as tournaments. You do not need to register to use our chatroom or participate in our weekly meetups: everyone is welcome! Click here to register for the forums! If you're already a member please log in to your account below: |
- Pages:
- 1
- 2
| N64 Discussion; What's the best? | |
|---|---|
| Tweet Topic Started: May 26 2009, 10:29 PM (960 Views) | |
| monomij | May 26 2009, 10:29 PM Post #1 |
![]()
Drake "Stop Times" Myers
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Alright, I want to discuss this with you guys. I think it's a pretty interesting topic. I think Super Mario 64 is miles above Ocarina of Time. I know it's weird. Personally, I think Ocarina of Time is great, but I think Windwaker is much better and both of them are better than Twilight Princess, which I thought was a waste of time. It really didn't do many new things with the series. I think the reason that I loved Super Mario 64 is because you can move so fast and explore so many diverse worlds. Also, as a kid it was a lot harder than Ocarina of Time was for me. Well, in a different way. Mario depended a lot on skill, whereas Zelda was more about knowing the puzzles, and I always knew I could just read an FAQ. That really wasn't the issue with Mario. I knew how to get all the stars, I had my cousins old strategy guide. I just couldn't do it. That was the major difference. I know that you guys probably have different opinions (OoT is generally regarded as one of the best games EVER) and I really want to hear what you guys think. |
![]() |
|
| sirkibble2 | May 26 2009, 10:59 PM Post #2 |
![]()
3DC regular
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
To be quite honest, you're presenting a discussion of what is the best and then you put in your own warped opinion. You could read a FAQ so that helped make the game worse? Fail. You wanna compare the speed of both games? Fail. Personally, I found Mario 64 to be my favorite N64 game. It's the game I continually come back to more often than OoT. The thing about OoT is that there is nothing really that makes it better or worse of a game than Mario 64. Both games translated BEAUTIFULLY to 3D and as such, it's simply a matter of which series a person likes more. Wind Waker was good but the pacing was poor and just like EVERY platformer/adventure game that preceded Mario 64, there was not much difference. Wind Waker? An instrument. The only thing I give Wind Waker over OoT was the parry system, which wasn't really that necessary. They had to tweak the enemies to make the parry necessary. Where did that come from? I wonder... Twilight Princess of course reiterated A Link to the Past so they did nothing different minus the wolf portion which was meh. Mario 64 set the standard for all 3D platformers after it. Crash was okay but Mario 64 took the games to another level. Open world, non-linear exploration; lots to collect; interesting worlds to explore; masterful level design; great gameplay--too beautiful. |
![]() |
|
| monomij | May 26 2009, 11:43 PM Post #3 |
![]()
Drake "Stop Times" Myers
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Hey, come on, man. I don't think it's possible to discuss what's "best" (very subjective) without inserting subjective opinions. My opinion is warped? I really don't get what that means. Opinions are entirely subjective, so how could one possibly be "warped?" Also, why are those invalid or "fail" or w/e? Comparing games that are so different isn't possible without comparing basic differences in the user experiences. I was just talking about my user experiences as a kid with both games. Saying that that is "fail" is just stupid. Fail. You can only compare different interactive experiences by what they are, trying to tell me I wasn't objective isn't a good way to go about this discussion, because I just said I wanted to hear about other people's opinions. Basically I'm asking you guys to share your own personal playing experiences, not talk about the games objectively. That's what's weird to me, you made fun of me for going by my experiences with the games and then went on to talk about your own... I'm pretty confused. |
![]() |
|
| Pure$killz | May 27 2009, 02:07 AM Post #4 |
|
The voice you dread
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
he is saying in his opinion your opinion makes no sense. its just an opinion.. but to me mario kart 64 is best or golden eye 007, maybe even majoras mask. now the why. I think mario kart 64 made the best transition to 3-d. they made everything about the first better. I cant think about anything wrong with it. golden eye had a long story. it was hard and it had lots of stuff. yea stuff such as guns, bad guys and levels. in multiplayer there was lots of levels and TONS of characters. the game was just awesome and it didnt leave you going i wish there was THIS in it. MM was a great game too but i dont really have as much of a reason. with M64 i just found the game not very exciting. interesting yes, but it felt very plain, sometimes boring. it definitly paved the way for other games i just dont feel it was the best game on the n64 and zelda was....great too but i dunno i dont feel it was better than lttp>_> and i just dont feel it was better than MK64 or 007 but maybe its up there with those 2 but mario 64 no sorry guys |
![]() |
|
| Lozmaster2.0 | May 27 2009, 05:28 AM Post #5 |
|
3DC member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Windwaker is easily the worst of the 3-d Zeldas. To start with ->lolsailing. ->Cel shading did nothing for the series on the gamecube, it didn't really suit it. (It's better on the DS though) ->lolsailing ->Easiest of the 3-d zeldas. And thats saying something. ->lolsailing -> Added nothing to the overall general 'zelda' characters. (OoT lets you see them in 3D, MM allowed you to interact with so many of the characters and they almost all had a well defined routine, and to a point, you got to see how other people treated 3 of the other races in Hyrule. TP not so much, but it added midna. WW did nothing, woohoo zelda can transform, except we already knew that.) |
![]() |
|
| Dark Link | May 27 2009, 07:46 AM Post #6 |
![]()
Destroyer of...Stuff!
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
A "Warped" opinion can also be a biased opinion, which seems to where you went for a couple parts when comparing SM64 to OoT, but no need going into an argument since it's all opinionated anyways.
The fact that you're comparing two entire different entities is enough for a "FAIL" EX. Comparing the adventuring and puzzle aspects of both games, when both aren't close to the same with the other. IMO. MK64 > All other MK games, but probably because my family and I used to 4-player race each other all the time before the GCN came out. and it kind of died out from there. I love OoT, but LTTP is the one zelda game that I keep going back to. I've beaten the game countless times and I've recently started playing it AGAIN on the GBA port for the gazillionith time. @LoZ, I loved WW due to the Cel-Shading, but that's due to me seeing that type of graphical design for the first time. Since this is N64 Discussion... Mischief Makers > ALL! =P |
![]() |
|
| spasmodia | May 27 2009, 07:58 AM Post #7 |
![]()
smda
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
People still run SM64 to this day, and for good reason. It's a surprisingly deep game for its time that anyone can play but not anyone can master. The whole idea of entering different worlds through paintings always fascinated me when I was a kid, and back when the graphics didn't seem primitive, so did the wide variety of worlds. SM64 will always be one of my favorite games from the N64 era. I think I liked OoT the most out of any N64 game though. It was just so much fun to travel around in such a large world with so many items to collect and secrets to find. The music was awesome too. And as a side note in this mini-trollfest that I don't really get... one doesn't use words like "warped" to describe an opinion unless one wants to offend. And mono didn't try to provoke anything, so I'm not sure why SK said that. |
![]() |
|
| monomij | May 27 2009, 07:58 AM Post #8 |
![]()
Drake "Stop Times" Myers
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Never heard of that... |
![]() |
|
| spasmodia | May 27 2009, 08:10 AM Post #9 |
![]()
smda
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
I used to watch my friend play that game, but I never tried it myself because it looked too hard. (age: 12) Recently I watched a TAS of it and it looked like fun, but the story seemed really weird. Edited by spasmodia, May 27 2009, 08:10 AM.
|
![]() |
|
| lawlz | May 27 2009, 09:10 AM Post #10 |
|
3DC member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
SHAKE SHAKE! SHAKE SHAKE! SHAKE SHAKE! SHAKE SHAKE! SHAKE SHAKE! SHAKE SHAKE! SHAKE SHAKE! SHAKE SHAKE! SHAKE SHAKE! SHAKE SHAKE! SHAKE SHAKE! That's Navi levels of annoying, right there. Anyways, I think out of all the N64 games, I went back to Jet Force Gemini the most. Dogs with guns on their back shooting giant insects? Count me in. |
![]() |
|
| Francesco | May 27 2009, 11:24 AM Post #11 |
![]()
Horrorible Klaxon
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Since march I have played my N64 more than any other console, even beating maple for time clocked. I replayed through all of Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie, replayed SM64, replayed OoT, Majora's Mask (which I actually preferred to OoT in quite a few ways, both are phenomenal though), finally beat Conker's Bad Fur Day (when it first came out I got to the Zombie level and legit got scared because I was much younger), finally beat Goemon 2, and 100%ed goemon 1 as well, replayed the original Mario Party games, etc. Oh, finally got golds for everything on Pilot Wings too I can't remember what point I was going to make, but N64 is ****ing awesome. Easily home of some of the best games ever made. I am sad now though, as I have apparently lost my copy of Lylat Wars (Starfox64 to you) |
![]() |
|
| RyuKenshin | May 27 2009, 12:38 PM Post #12 |
|
Holy Prophet of the Wheat Sword to the Almighty Kraden
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
I loved Mischief Makers! I remember when I rented it and worked so hard to beat it, and ended up renting it again to finish up what I could. Beyond that, Banjo-Kazooie was freaking epic for its time. Almost makes me want to get a 360 to try out the new B-K game. |
![]() |
|
| sirkibble2 | May 27 2009, 01:00 PM Post #13 |
![]()
3DC regular
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Forgive me. I probably shouldn't post in "what's better" topics because people always put their lame opinions in them. I'm amazed at how many people cannot just look at two games and simply rate them as they are. It just disturbs me so much. I'm really sorry Monomji. It was rantish. Your opinion is your opinion. As far as the "warped" comment, I found the usage a FAQ to justify whether a game was better or not, pretty warped. Don't really mean to offend. I just get blunt sometimes and it gets very ugly. When I put all my feelings aside to the games, I have no idea why OoT is better than Mario 64. Mario 64 set a standard. OoT didn't. Both games revolutionized their series. Both games translated beautifully to 3D while keeping the original series' integrity. Both games had a lot to do. Both games were reasonably difficult. Argh! I don't know why! lol FAAANBOOOOYS!! *faints* |
![]() |
|
| Lozmaster2.0 | May 27 2009, 01:33 PM Post #14 |
|
3DC member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
OoT didn't set a standard? Seriously? And there I was thinking it set the standards for 3D Action-adventure games. Silly me.
|
![]() |
|
| Qc Storm | May 27 2009, 05:00 PM Post #15 |
![]()
Ӳ_Ѧ/~Γ╚{▄░£φÜΘϒ
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
I'd say either Conker Bad Fur Day or Paper Mario. Sadly, they ruined Conker's multiplayer on the Xbox remake. |
![]() |
|
| Dark Link | May 27 2009, 05:44 PM Post #16 |
![]()
Destroyer of...Stuff!
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Because it's uber underrated, that's how awesome it was. Doesn't surprise me though, rarely anyone will have heard of Mischief Makers, because of how little advertisement it got. |
![]() |
|
| Wolfgang | May 27 2009, 07:02 PM Post #17 |
|
3DC member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Goldeneye simply for its kickass multiplayer
|
![]() |
|
| Leon | May 27 2009, 07:04 PM Post #18 |
|
Carry That Weight
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Oot was never my favorite Zelda, but both games I enjoyed a whole lot as a kid. Overall I think SM64 was a more memorable experience. Some of my favorite titles were the banjo games and Majora's Mask though. Banjo-Tooie is probably my favorite platformer, while MM is still my favorite Zelda. |
![]() |
|
| sirkibble2 | May 27 2009, 08:05 PM Post #19 |
![]()
3DC regular
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
I don't think it did. My reasoning is that Zelda had set a standard for Action/Adventure games as a whole. When it translated into 3D, all it did was take the winning Zelda formula and put it in 3D. Probably the biggest change was Z-targeting which can be found in the Metroid Prime series. Other than that, it was just some darn good Zelda wrapped up in 3D. What Mario 64 did was different. Before Mario 64, it was level completion--like classic platformers games. Mario 64 added the collection aspect, which every single 3D platformer did after it. Not only that, the open world, "go wherever you want to go in any order save you have the amount of collectibles" was pretty new and impressive. |
![]() |
|
| spasmodia | May 27 2009, 08:41 PM Post #20 |
![]()
smda
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
I think you're underestimating the power of a word. Examples of warped logic are Hitler's rationalizations in the Final Solution. Believing that the necessity of a FAQ in the playing of a game diminishes from the game's overall appeal might be misfounded or even incorrect from your point of view, but I really don't think you should use warped to describe that kind of thing. Edited by spasmodia, May 27 2009, 08:42 PM.
|
![]() |
|
![]() Join the millions that use us for their forum communities. Create your own forum today. Learn More · Register Now |
|
| Go to Next Page | |
| « Previous Topic · Gaming Zone · Next Topic » |
- Pages:
- 1
- 2











![]](http://z1.ifrm.com/static/1/pip_r.png)







And there I was thinking it set the standards for 3D Action-adventure games. Silly me.


10:43 AM Jul 11