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| Topic Started: Aug 6 2008, 08:54 PM (1,184 Views) | |
| kenmorefield | Aug 6 2008, 08:54 PM Post #1 |
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Man this show is addictive. |
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| pwaldron | Aug 6 2008, 09:16 PM Post #2 |
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Donna and I already have Kenley pegged as a finalist, if not the winner. And we want Blayne to go away yesterday, but he's good TV, so they'll keep him a while. Who's making book on this? |
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Nick Charles: "I'm a hero. I was shot twice in the Tribune." Nora Charles: "I read where you were shot 5 times in the tabloids." Nick: "It's not true. He didn't come anywhere near my tabloids." | |
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| Doug C | Aug 7 2008, 08:38 AM Post #3 |
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This is the only reality TV I've ever watched, and we watched Season Three regularly (on DVD) in the late stages of Katie's pregnancy when she was marking time and needed something to take her mind off the pressure. I thought the form of the show became tedious after a while, with the same editing techniques and canned theatricality at the end of every episode...but the challenges were interesting and the people and designs are truly creative and fascinating. As Peter suggests, it is pretty clear that the people who were ejected or allowed to stay on were judged primarily by whether or not they provided good TV rather any question of their talent, but even so, I agree that it's an addicting program. A funny anecdote: when we were about 90% through the season, Katie and I met up for sushi with a friend of mine from film school, and he and his wife mentioned they were big fans of the show as well. We talked about it for a bit and then my friend said he bumped into 'winner so-and-so' in Los Angeles at some point...and Katie and I stopped eating, dropped our chopsticks, and just stared at him. Suddenly he realized his mistake...I've never seen someone so embarrassed. |
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| Darren H | Aug 7 2008, 09:00 AM Post #4 |
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I'm pretty sure Joanna and I have seen every episode of every season of Project Runway. But you don't know addiction until you watch Top Chef, which is exactly like Project Runway, BUT WITH FOOD! |
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| pwaldron | Aug 7 2008, 09:00 AM Post #5 |
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Well, that's partially true, I think. But when it comes down close to the end, I have felt that the finalists and the ultimate winners really were the people who consistently displayed the most talent and produced the best designs. Before I watched the show, I wouldn't have guessed that I'd be able to recognize gradations of fashion talent (having none of my own), but after a few episodes, you really can tell. It took me a minute to figure out what your friend's faux pas had been. He forgot to say "SPOILER ALERT." 
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| Darren H | Aug 7 2008, 09:28 AM Post #6 |
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I agree, Peter. A middle-of-the-pack designer/cook with a fabulous personality is much more likely to make a deep run in the show, but the final three or four contestants are always the most talented. The most recent season of Top Chef is a great example. The winner was not at all a dynamic personality but it was obvious by the third or fourth episode that he/she (no spoilers here) was an amazing cook. |
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| Doug C | Aug 7 2008, 09:52 AM Post #7 |
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That's funny, the other show my friend enthusiastically recommended was Top Chef. As someone who loves to cook and eat, this sounds right down my alley, but I really don't want to get addicted to another TV show! |
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| Darren H | Aug 7 2008, 10:17 AM Post #8 |
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Doug, Top Chef is foodie porno. I love that show. Except for the occasional college basketball and football game, I don't watch TV hardly at all anymore. But I schedule my Wednesday nights around Top Chef. |
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| kenmorefield | Aug 7 2008, 11:31 AM Post #9 |
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SPOILERS SEASON 4 The end credits have a statement (I don't have the exact wording but I've Tivoed it before) that says, essentially, the judges' final decision is made in conjunction with the show's producers and isn't always whoever got the lowest score. It was quite evident (to me) that last season, when they took four to New York and had the run-off, that the producers wanted one guy (Rami) and the judges (particularly the guest judge) scored the other guy (Chris) higher on that particular challenge. |
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| kenmorefield | Aug 16 2008, 03:07 PM Post #10 |
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I tend to get irritated at what seem to me to be transparent attempts to create or manufacture villains by cutting a slightly stronger individual overall who has an off week but is still clearly better on that particular challenge than another participant. To the extent that someone was rooting for a particular player, they tend then to feel like the other person should have been sent home and tune in to see him/her get the comeuppance. Also, I suspect this is done to try to add some elements of suspense to what is a problem with such formats, which is that it can become apparent who the top three or four are, hence, while people may not be able to pick out the eventual winner, they may have a pretty good idea of who 1 through 3 are. By cutting someone who might be at or around #4 or #5 and keeping (for another week) someone who is probably around 8 or 10, they create an illusion that upsets are possible and anything can happen. At least that seems like the way a Season Arc (as well as an episode arc) plays out. Blayne's a kook, and he can send his model down the runway in a diaper, but, hey, why get rid of him for another couple weeks if you can keep someone around to stir the pot for a few weeks until we get down to the real competition between those who can actually win? |
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| pwaldron | Aug 20 2008, 09:05 PM Post #11 |
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Drag Queen Challenge Once again, talentless Blayne produces an utter piece of crap--that actually is falling apart on the runway--and not only does he not lose, he isn't even grilled at the end as one of the three in danger. Although this time, the winner was obvious and deserving, as was the loser. Ken's analysis agrees with Donna's and mine--the talent quickly rises to the top, so interest must be maintained by artificial means. But Blayne. Must. Go. |
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| kenmorefield | Aug 20 2008, 09:44 PM Post #12 |
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Yeah, the only real difference between Keith and Daniel this week was that Keith won last week. But he was fortunate that someone else was equally bad. I thought Michael's comment that Keith wasn't really conscious of the body, he just manipulated the fabric, was quite accurate. I also thought it interesting that the guy that won actually had some input from the model. There is an element of luck involved in getting the right model but also knowing when to listen to input and when to ignore it. |
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| Beth | Aug 20 2008, 11:14 PM Post #13 |
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I cannot believe I came back to find you guys all in an uproar over Project Runway! Blayne is definitely irksome, but IMO that bland puppy Daniel should have been gone two weeks ago.
Seems to be more or less what happened last week when Kelli was eliminated (I only caught the re-run tonight, as I was in Manitoba watching Canadian Olympians almost win medals last week). |
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| Beth | Aug 21 2008, 03:26 PM Post #14 |
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The thing about Top Chef is--food must be tasted to be appreciated. Just looking at it, even if it is pretty on the plate (and not all of it is) and hearing the judges pontificate is less than satisfactory. The soap-opera of the contestant chefs is OK, but I can get that from Project Runway or The Amazing Race, and there's never really time to learn how they cook anything (not that I could), though I suppose some of the recipes maybe appear online? So ultimately, I find it all fairly abstract. I freely admit that I'm not a serious cook (or any kind of cook, really), so maybe it's just me. |
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[size0]No amount of fine feeling can take the place of faithful doing. --William Barclay Without an understanding of myth or religion, without an understanding of the relationship between destruction and creation, death and rebirth, the individual suffers the mysteries of life as meaningless mayhem alone. --Marion Woodman | |
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| Doug C | Aug 21 2008, 07:45 PM Post #15 |
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Peter should appreciate this--when I first started dating Katie a couple years ago, we would watch the "Shin Dotchi No Ryouri" game show on the local Japanese TV station, which provided no end of entertainment for us. Basically two chefs go at it, and the contestants (who had been deprived of food for some time) secretly voted on which dish they'd like to eat the most; the winners then ate and the losers sat and watched in groaning agony--no food for them! The show was full of all sorts of odd subtitles ("Oooooh it looks so good, yummy yummy!") and swooning, dramatic oohs and ahhs from the audience. |
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