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Clubs - Yes? No?; Can a Christian go to Clubs?
Topic Started: Sep 10 2006, 05:35 PM (1,831 Views)
Phil McWill
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Hi guys. Rite hmmmmm lol i think u all needa cool the beans a bit here bais! lol. Personally i have a problem with clubs thats just me.... i just generally dont wana be assocciated with those places. However.... if Christians wana go to these places thats grand but.... How are they motivated to go? Have they been divinly inspired by the Lord to go? Or do they just want banter? The problem isnt goin! Its why do they go!? Thats the question i rekon u guys should be asking. Its like that dude said the other week in SU.... "The lights not very good when its in a crowd of lights.... it shines brightest in the darkness." If christians go with the mindset of evangilism then thats sweet as.... go ahead but if its for to enjoy the "luxuries" or "experience" then i think ppl needa rethink there options. I kno i wouldnt wana be standing face to face with temptation in that atmosphere. Without God im not strong at all..... im USLESS on my own as we are pretty much all are.

So guys.... what would Jesus do? Yea i rekon he would be at the club! But why would he be at the club?/? To spread his glorious word....? Or to just forget who he is for a nite?

God Blessx
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im goin 2 try 2 be democratic but i think someone definately has to find out exactly were the law stands on this issue because iv always been brought up thinkin that it is illegal for under 18's to go 2 a night club regardless of if they are drinking r not?? i could b v wrong and i have no proof of this but does it really make sense for a ......say 9 year old 2 b allowed in2 a club just cause they r not plannin on drinkin??and surely every1 sees that if it is breakin the law we simly cannot do it?!i dont think there is an argument ther!Secondly even if it is legal i understand that jesus talked 2 many sinners and socalised wit them but whislt standin in a night club r u really gonna rip out a bible and start preachin the word of God?? if u r i think thats fabulous but i dont think its enough 2 say that non christians just seein christians there is evangelisin!!2 b honest i think u have 2 do far more than that!As christians we know that witnessin is alot harder than standin in a club and havin a dance??and there r so many other opportunities 2 evangelise do we really need 2 go 2 clubs??
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again me from above would just like 2 say again that i didnt go 2 the pre formal because i am underage and illegal r not i was not goin 2 risk sinning just so i could have a good time but anyway sooooooo many ppl asked me if i was goin and i told them no! this obviously led 2 many ppl askin me y i wasnt goin and i told them that i wasnt comfortable with havin 2 lie 2 get into a place as it was a sin and wasnt glorifying God...obviously my response varied 2 different ppl but it was along those lines i got 2 evangelise 2 far more ppl than i would have if i had went!if i had went non christians prob wouldnt even have noticed and many of them (not all) would most likely have been far 2 drunk 2 care
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Kyle... emphasis has been placed on not keeping it personal yet in most of your points you quote someone and then slag their viewpoint off!

So if you could calm down and keep your opinions less personal!
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Kyle
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[QUOTE=Guest,Sep 30 2006, 10:53 AM] Kyle... emphasis has been placed on not keeping it personal yet in most of your points you quote someone and then slag their viewpoint off!

So if you could calm down and keep your opinions less personal! [/QUOTE]
the point of a debate is to take what others say and counteract it with your own opinion! Well at least I thought it was

Didn't mean to slag anoyone off or offend anyone though!

Sorry :(

*tries to set a better example*

We all seem to be regurgitating(big word wooo) the same arguments for this one anyway! It could go on forever :rolleyes:
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char
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this is very true Kyle and Guets whoever you are i totally understnad what you are saying but where does it say in the Bible that you have to whip a Bible out and start preachin the gospel to show that God is good and that you have a great life with him in it!!i would be annoyed as a christian if someone whipped out a Bible in my face let alone what non-christians would think!i totally get what you are saying but by going to somewhere like that having a good time without drinking showing people that yes christians can have fun without getting drunk or kissing a million an one people and hey even being that friend who holds someone's hair back when they are thrwoing up at the end of the night is bound to show people that you are willing to come alongisde them an be there for them when their other friends might not give a stuff...surely that will lead to the question why????Mrs Mccurdy will tell you an amazing story about her being in teh student's union in belfast after CU one nigth and feeling very uncomfortable surrounded by one other christian and lots of drunk people when a girl form her class turned to her and said "so what's all this 1 corinthians 13 stuff about??" wow isnt that amazing???you never know when an opportunity will arise to talk to someone like that!im not saying we should hang out in clubs every weekend just incase some1 asks a question like that but what im saying is there is just as big a chance of some1 asking that quesiton in a club as there is sitting beside them in study!!!
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Kyle
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Totally agree with the bit about being there "and even being that friend who holds someone's hair back when they are thrwoing up". Surely in order to make a friendship bond wih someone so strong that they are willing to ask questions about God, do we not have to show them that we are willing to be a good friend and be the shoulder to cry on or , as char said the person to comfort them after a heavy nights drinking? There's so much more to evangelism/ministry than simply whipping your bible out in the middle of the coach, as Tiesto's latest dance "tune" hammers in the background.

Ministry can also be about being that good friend that is always gonna be there for others. Maybe then they will say sometime... "howcome you dont drink", "howcome you don't swear" , "howcome you were kind enough to help me when i was drunk", "howcome you brought me back to your place to sober up"???



I also wanted to throw another point into the debate...

So, say a close friend has invited you along to a club, and you're really not sure, but you begin to pray about it... and whatsay you don't get the vibe that God doesn't wnat you to be there... what if you feel that He's really calling you to go there... Do you still go then, even if you are someone who was feverently opposed to going in the first place?

Just a thouht i guess...
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great topic guys!! i hav 2 say i myslef think its ok to go to clubs obviously if the plan is not 2 get drunk! however i do think it is important for the non-christians in school to see the so-called "God Squad" out, and being able to have a good time like everyone else without alcohol. i think the only way we can really reach out is if people realise we rnt a bunch of wet blankets saying that fun is wrong. i think removing ourselves from the equation is only going to aggrevate the problem further. i think it would b far more beneficial to set an example and show that we r able to have just as good a time as everyone else without having to drink.


***Also can i just add that i was at the last preformal..kinda cuz i helped organise it but neway back to the point, i met a friend of mine during the night who was in a bit of emotional turmoil and had been havin a rough time dealin with school, so i suggested she come to SU that Thursday and spend some time with God...which she did!! and felt a real weight had been lifted off her shoulders! Now if that isnt a darn tootin good arguement then i dunno wat is!!***
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Pagan
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Ah Char and Kyle since when did the opinon of everyone else matter? It seems as if all you Christian's are worried about is what non-christians think?

Surely God would not ask you Charlotte to sin by going underage? Or are you sinning so that someone else can be saved...?

Im new to the forum's and it seems that the question is now whether people can disobey the law and go to a club? Charlotte let's get personal. Defend why you were there? I'm not saying you were wrong but if it's against the law then isnt that against God? That is what some people are saying is in the Bible?

Or am i totally off beam?

Please correct me if im wrong? I'm not the most educated on these events!! Btw nice forum guys!
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[QUOTE]Kyle since when did the opinon of everyone else matter? It seems as if all you Christian's are worried about is what non-christians think?
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You know you make a good point... often I guess Christians do worry about how they appear to others a bit too much. Obviously though if we were scared of what others thought, we wouldn't let them know we actually are Christians... But knowing what others think is good.. a huge goal for SU and all Christians is to outreach to non christians.. If we appear as a stuffy unapproachable bunch then what good is that to anyone!

I guess perhaps we are all flawed though... does everyone not seek acceptance from a particular crowd? Strictly speaking i suppose Christians should be seen to be different, to stand out from the crowd.. however being a Christian isn't easy! It's very difficult not to conform to the rest of society, to stand out from the crowd.

That's what I think anyway...

Hope this goes some way to answering your question... was a challenging one for me to answer!
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[QUOTE=Phil McWill,Sep 28 2006, 11:17 PM] So guys.... what would Jesus do? Yea i rekon he would be at the club! But why would he be at the club?/? To spread his glorious word....? Or to just forget who he is for a nite? [/QUOTE]
I totally agree with you Phil. At the end of the day What would Jesus do? yea he hung out with sinners but he had a reason to. He loved the sinner, not the sin.
Yea he had a bit of banter with them but he never forgot his purpose. He knew it was the sick that needed their sins forgiven, not the healthy. He always managed to witness to those he was with. Not in the 'I'll shove it down your throat' way but in the 'I actually care' way.

Personally I don't go out clubbing because one, i'm under age and secondly I have very close friends who arn't Christians because they see Christians out clubbing and some drinking (because some do!) and they think that Christian's are hypocrites because of this. You may not agree that these things are wrong but hey some people are turning away from Christ because they think it is so is this not enough reason for it to be an issue? It says in the bible that we may be ok with some things but it may cause someone else to sin so think about your actions!! As Christians we have not only responsiblity for our own actions but we also are instructed to look out for others!! We are Christ's representatives on earth!!! What a responsibility!!!

As a Christian the thing that i most want to see is sinners saved for Christ and if by not going clubbin and maybe missing a bit of craic, someone see's that i am different and set apart as Christ said, then thats a sacrifice that im willing to make.

I dont judge anyone for going out, I wana make that clear. its not my place to judge. We each have our reasons and fair play to those who make a witness out of going out. As Phil said its our reasons that's the important part. i think that is brilliant that people feel they can go out to a club and be a witness for Christ. That's pretty sweet.

It's God we have to be right with and one day each of us will stand before him and hear one of two things..."depart from me, i never knew you" or "well done good and faithful servant."

I think that we should remember also that fighting among ourselves doesn't exactly send out a brilliant message to those who arn't Christian's. We have enough crap to deal with from other people so why on earth are we fighting among ourselves?

Ok thats my sermon over!! lol!!

N.B. Please note that this comment was not aimed at anyone in particular so plz dont take offence!! oh and any spelling mistakes i apologise!!

God Bless
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Yea Char u are completely right i was exagerating with the whipping out a bible thing i certainly wouldnt do it nor do i think that a non christian would appreciate it in the slightest.(That was aimed at char not the next bit thou) personally i dont think that we can rely on non christians noticing that we r at a club obviously some do but many will not unless we actually talk 2 them and athough i would love 2 say that i would go 2 a club and talk 2 strangers about God i really think that the situation would severly hinder that for example my lack of nerve, me havin 2 much fun (both of these will def not apply 2 all christians who r pprob alot stronger than me) people bein drunk, loud music and other people havin far 2 much fun 2 listen.

These are only my thoughts and i completely agree with ally about not fighting among ourselves so i really hope i havent offended any1 wit my views or inablity 2 spell!!im typing this v quickly as homework must b done
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ben
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it seems this 'debate' has only grown more heated since i decided to last leave it!!

i really think we ought to be careful folks when critizing that we do so out of love, like the bible says, and not out of jealousy or anger! you never know what impact your words can have on others.

it seems that a lot of this debate is coming down to the fact that it is illegal for under 18's to be in a nightclub in the first place...but i've done a small amount of research (though please highlight any contrary evidence if you find it) and I found that children once 16 can actually enter a licensed premise without their parents but not consume alcohol as this is quite clearly to 18's.

i am totally open to other findings and am interested to know if there is actually any clear law on it. i would also wager that the reason, people are i.d. checked at the door is because they dont have time from a business point of view to check at the bar, thus it is just easier to assume everyone in the club is 18+.

nonetheless it will always be a contentious arguement, and one that will only be judged by God.
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they can enter a licenced premicise bt nt after 9 o clock, i think thats what it is.
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WillyJohnJim
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this is an interesting topic indeed. its really cool to see so many different opinions from Christians and non christians here....il share

OK so i did go to the preformal a while back there, and ok im only 17 so hit me with what you want! I had to go by the saying "don't knock it until you've tried it" for once.. maybe curiousity got the better of me, so it wasn't the most fun ive ever had but i know that i learnt alot more form going there than sitting on my backside doing sweet nothing at home...I remmeber that night and the thing that struct me most was the way all of my christian friends acted. I was so proud of them all. I think just by that one night out we showed an amazing example of christians by having fun and interacting with other non- christians without being totally wiped off our faces... good work guys.

So to be totally honest guys im not sure were i stand in this debate. Im mean i have been out to clubs before and to be brutally honest i didn't think it was "all that and then some" yano! I have to say i did feel rather strange standing in the dance floor (im not much of a dancer by the by) with a million people i didn't know getting way to close to me for my own comfort. And then trying to have a coversation with some guys i kinda know and they just fall over cus their sooo drunk and they can't stand!! it isn't really that much fun in my opinion. But as i said my christian friends were shining lights and that really impresses me and if they had the time of their lives then i don't see any reason not go again (although everthing in moderation like there are so many tempting things in clubs and if we become more and more comfortable around them it mightened be the best for us!) I like what Kyle said earlier on in the pole. I agree that it is incredibly difficult to evangelise in the middle of the dance floor, but within the next week at school i spoke to so many new people and i had really good convos with them about Christianity all of which were initiated by the line " so y arent you so hung over this morning" so some good may have come from it. So i don't really have that much of a problem with Christians going out every once in a while (if it became every weekend i'd get a wee bit worried) i just don't find clubs that much fun and i could definitly think of a whole load of other way better things to do........ so if your like me and kyle you should come watch days of thunder with us sometime much better fun!!lol God bless
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