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Clubs - Yes? No?; Can a Christian go to Clubs?
Topic Started: Sep 10 2006, 05:35 PM (1,830 Views)
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if your 18, and a christian, surely there is nothing wrong with going to a club, and having a few drinks with your mates without getting drunk? now if your under 18 then its a different story, altho a lot of people do it surely if you are a christian this is going against god aswel as against the law
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Kyle
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yup, the Bible does say that breaking the law is also breaking God's law.
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ok the bible says breaking the law is wrong. but like rick preston says it does leave some grey areas! I think going to a club when u are under 18 t is the same as lets say when you are 11 and you go to the cinema to watch a 12 or 14 and go and watch a film rated 15!! or you mum or dad lets u have spin in the car park in their car when your still 16!! its the same thing, but because of the sterotypes of clubs people treat it differently!! that is an issue im fine with as u note it did pop up in previous comment because it is no different to the examples above. I try to be law abiding all the time but yeh ok i fail and i admit that. In romans its say something like "the people who run the country are Gods people and disobeying them is like disobeying God" or sumthing like that. if we lived in a dictatorship would we still abide by the law and believe it was what God wanted?
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ok ok guys, i think nearly every angle has been studied on this, and i know i'm a bit late, but i have onli become a member now.

I'm not the best at quoting scripture either, but everyone has their opinions.

Well i'm kinda stuck here, i have read like alot of the posts, and there is alot of good points for each side.
So here goes;

I think that it is ok to go to clubs, as i believe that our light shine the brightest in dark places. And that if we do the least onto one of our brothers and sisters we do it onto God(somewhere in the bible i have realli just started studying it now, sorry people)
Also i point to consider, is that some people would consider us as strange(which we're not, by the way) or different, and to go into these place would cross the barrier a bit. So as long as it is for the right reasons i do not believe that it is bad to go into clubs.

I believe that this would help us reach out into society, today, as we are called by God to do what he wants today. So i interpret that this could mean that we are to change to the society, we cannot leave out people for what they do.

I've never been in a club before, as i'm only 16, but i wouldn't feel that i would ever want to go in one. But if we are to work for God, we should work in his ways. So if he asks us to consider going out to clubs we should. Like mabey The older SU people should go once in a while, as i believe that people would become interested, as you probably stand out. So people might ask what are you doing, and you never know how many people you could affect.

And in the end, we cannot judge by what people do*, as sometimes i get caught up in the stereotypical views of different people, and i have been pleasently surprised to see what was the truth.
* as god says we are to not to judge others, and that only God will judge people, as he is the only person who knows the truth.

I dunno if this was any help, but i believe that it may have pionts to consider.
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Katie Stevenson
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[QUOTE=Duddy,Sep 11 2006, 08:12 PM] Christ's whole ministry was about evangelising. When he was not evangelising? Where was he? Praying or just chilling with the disciples. [/QUOTE]
You can evangelise in a club, by being a good witness to your friends. Preformal- ok there are under 18's, but it's not as if they are full on going to the belmont, they are going to a school event that just happens to be in an over 18's venue. I don't see anything wrong with christians going to clubs, even drinking. as long as they dont get drunk. But abide by the law, wait till your 18
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Katie Stevenson
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[QUOTE=char,Oct 2 2006, 03:49 PM] where does it say in the Bible that you have to whip a Bible out and start preachin the gospel to show that God is good and that you have a great life with him in it!!i would be annoyed as a christian if someone whipped out a Bible in my face let alone what non-christians would think!
Mrs Mccurdy will tell you an amazing story about her being in teh student's union in belfast after CU one nigth and feeling very uncomfortable surrounded by one other christian and lots of drunk people when a girl form her class turned to her and said "so what's all this 1 corinthians 13 stuff about??" wow isnt that amazing???you never know when an opportunity will arise to talk to someone like that! [/QUOTE]
Im totally with Charlotte here, the bible says that Jesus died so we could live life to the full. Jesus loves it when he sees we are having a good time. Since I've been at uni I've been to a few clubs, and they are so much fun, just staying out dancing the night away, and not drinking. who doesnt like a good boogie into the night?
Jesus died not that we would be held captive by 'religion' which is holding so many christians in NI back at the minute. he came so we could be free and live life to the full. I will live for God, I will serve him, and I will have a good time and be thankful to him for the amazing fun I have along the way.
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sounds like a plan batman!! totally agree with u KT!! :D
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this is something which i am quite unsure of and i do not have any proper answers but i do not feel anyone can have the so called "right answer." All i can really say is my experience. i am not a christian although i do take part in church groups, study re and would go to SU. i would say i do agree with people who say that they can go out even if they are Christians.

the part which i find hard is the drinking part. i do drink but not alot and am sensible when i go out. sayin this i have never been to coach or belmont apart from the preformals or birthday parties. i have talked to a Christian who would have a drink like at weekends and to me it would seem alot more than i would ever take. which i find surprising but in no way do i condemn this person. I would feel im not a Christian because i do drink and would go to a club.

I hope noone feels that i am being rude when i say this. i saw some people who i knew were Christians but i do not know if they did drink or not. it is not something which anyone has to justify especially not to me. the people who do go and get drunk would see people they would know to be Christians and then could make themselves believe that they had drank. this could be where some people get the hypocrites thing from but i would not agree with these people.

Also i feel that some people could condemn the likes of me from goin 2 a nightclub and drinkin even though i am underage. i can accept this.

I go to socials alot more frequently and have made a good number of friends from this. so if i can go to Su and be in the company of Christians why can Christians not be in the company of non-Christians in a more social way??

i hope nothin i said has offended anyone. it was definitely not meant to in anyway.
i just have a few questions i would like to see peoples opinions on and reasons too,

What is wrong with a nightclub? Is it the place or the people?

Do Christians not agree with people drinking? Is alcohol and people who take it not something u have to face even out in a restrauant?






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I think it is acceptable to go out to clubs, although saying that i have never been in one. But sometimes i think us Christians are sometimes paying too much attention to what is going on around us. Now i'll explain that because it probably sounds wierd.
I thought, and still think that to be a Christian only involves truely asking God into our lives. And i think to do this truely(sp) we do have to abide by God's laws and commandments. So sometimes i think we get carried away with how we look and act(even though there are some limits), but i don't think we should be going around saying that this person is/isn't a Christian, just because they go to a club.

The only thing to consider is where is this limit. But because of what i have just said, i believe that as long as we obey the law, and commandments, and truely trust and believe in God we are Christians, wether we got out to clubs or not.
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I admire people that can go into these places and set a strong example. What people have been saying about shining lights in the darkness- that's all amazing, and can be such a strong witness :)

But it's just sooo important that we don't lose ourselves in the process. It's easy to say that you won't get sucked in but temptation is so subtle and you might end up doing things you never wanted to do. People handle alcohol differently and it's important (if you want to drink when it's legal) to know your own limits. I would tend to stay away from drinking because I don't think I need it to have fun, but I wouldn't condemn someone for taking a drink when they're out.

I guess the long and short of it is I don't think it's wrong to go clubbing... but you need to be really careful about it, and make sure that you don't lose control.
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my personal opinion is that if ur under 18 u shouldnt be going to the clubs,sure u may not be a regular, but what the bible says,the bible says,u cant twist it to suit urself. As a christian, i dont think u should be going at all, i find it very very very hard to believe that Christians who go to clubs do very much witnessing etc. ok, there may be some non-Christians who respect u all the more for going, but u listen to God,not the world, the world wants ot bring you down to their standards and make them feel comfortable in their sin. should christians not feel uncomfortable in such an environment or guilty? i know i would, if the Lord was to return, is that really were u would want him to find you? in an environment with drink, drugs, smoking and low sexual morals?you may not be engaging in them, but by the fact you are there can lead those around you to think u don't have a problem with them, especially if they aren't a clsoe aquaintance but know you are a christian. is you got into a convo with a stranger and told them you were a christian and try to present a holy god before them,i jsut dotn think it makes sense or appears plausible. Christians don't have to prove being a Christian isnt boring but enjoyable by going to clubs etc. the fun thing about being a Christian is your inner peace and relationship with God, being close to him and personally i dont think this goes hand in hand with clubbing etc. it is easier to be pulled down than up and adjust your life style to an easier root...which is easier,to say no i am a christian and dont go clubbing etc ....or to go and fit in with the flow? Christians stand out,not blend in.
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nice one rachey :) Dats exactly the way I think it is. Christians are individuals that are 'different' they aren't 'normal'.
And, like rachy said. Would you really want Jesus to see you there if he came there and then (bcus we dont know when he's goin to come)? Even if he didn't come, GOD CAN SEE EVERYTHING AND KNOWS EVERYTHING!!!
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All the points presented here are fair comments...and as somebody said i dnt think anybody has the "right answer" Rachy you said that we shouldnt lower ourselves as Christians to the levels of sin of non Christians...isnt this exactly what Jesus did??? Didn't he eat with tax collectors...befriend prostitutes and touch such social rejects as lepers and the lame...in Jesus' day this would have been seen as "lowering himself to their standards of sin"...Jesus preached to the Pharisees that their attitude was all wrong..from what I gather they were a self-righteous, arrogant and obnoxious bunch...basically what he said was get over yourselves, God has shown you love, show people love, don't stick in your cliques, come alongside people who need your help! While there are many ways to come alongside people who need our help (in whatever way that may be) other than going out to night clubs i truely believe that if Jesus was walking on earth today we would regularly see him in places that we would think strange...for example a night club..i think he would go in there and shine...show people God's light and show them that unlike so many Christians he is not afraid of temptation or rolling his sleeves up, getting his hands dirty and getting into the places where the people who need his help hang out.
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Ok firstly, if you are under 18, it i illegal so i think it is wrong.
Secondly i will probably go to clubs when i'm older.
Thirdly i agree with char(lotte)(if thats even how you spell it), and that as rachy said, we may not be doing much in a clubs, but thats to people we don't know If you had non-Christian friends that liked to go out, you can show them that you can go out and not get drunk, or do anything 'stupid'. Because if you decide to stay at home, they might think that Christianity is boring. Which it certaintly is not, but if we split ourselves (alot) from society that we will close our gates, and would seem like another 'cult'.
So i think it would be perfectly fine to go out, but only if you are over 18, and are able to control yourself(as Claire said).
I hope this helped, because it made sense in my head. :lol:
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i dont think you can compare christians going clubbing to Jesus. firstly,he was sinless so he would never have found it possible to engage in what they did, whereas we can still. he was friends with tax collectors,prostitutes etc, so?we also can be friends with alcoholics,drug addicts and prostitutes, but Jeus didnt DO the things they did and neither should we. that doesnt stop us being friends with them and showing christian love and character. i dont see going clubbing as a way to do this, i see it as an excuse. if you wana reach out to those in clubs etc, why not do something like the nite lite thing, waiting in the early hours for them to come out and give them coffee etc?that is christian love and sacrifice and i think speaks volumes. johnnys rite, God sees us. we are set apart, our sin has been forgiven, but the bible still tlaks about the old man within, the sinful nature,which is still within us. if we feed the wolf within we cant expect the lamb to win.
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