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| Clubs - Yes? No?; Can a Christian go to Clubs? | |
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| Rachel +-- | Dec 6 2006, 08:06 PM Post #61 |
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I don't believe that you have the opportunity or the necessary conviction to evangelise in a club...you are there to have a bit of fun. Rachel's right about the work that groups such as Nightlight (?) do outside the clubs and bars in Banbridge and other groups in various towns across NI. I just think it's such a shame that we as Christians can't readily go out to have a bit of fun without alcohol being served at an establishment and the fact that others who know you are a Christian misread your actions. (although Emmanuel church in Lurgan have like a strictly no alcohol club thingy called 'Riot' once a month or so!) I think it's also important to consider how your actions are affected by the atmosphere of a club/bar - it's very easy to be caught up in the general feeling of the people around you - can you really maintain your soldier role and keep on the armour of God when you are surrounded by others whose main ambition in an evening is to get plastered? Sorry to seem so blunt but we're only human and although we have God's mark on our lives it doesn't mean that we aren't easily influenced by Man's ways. |
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| Rachy | Dec 7 2006, 02:06 PM Post #62 |
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yup, thats exactly my view on things. the Bible mentions and tells us to reinforce our whole body with the armour of God, now that jsut proves to us how serious a Christian life is and the surroundings in which we live. i find we are too cosy in this world and far too slack. i dont see how a Christian can have a clear conscience in such a place,something is wrong if you dont because you have the spirit in you and i dont see how it cannot be harmed by such things, sure you may have a good time, u r human and still have a sinful nature within,so the more you feed it the more it seems ok to do such things, they seem harmless, but its neglecting your spiritual life and can be of no benefit spiritually to you. |
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| alibi | Dec 14 2006, 11:23 PM Post #63 |
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er ive been reading through a few posts here then got lost so i stuck with a few points!
firstly someone ages ago mentioned something along the lines of "if its against the law then its wrong and we shouldnt be doing it" or something to those affects! sorry if i picked it up wrong.. but please dont be so blinkered. yes the laws are good.. some of them! but you cannot possibly say if its against the law dont do it... abortion is ok in the view of some laws, as is murder (capital punishment)... etc.. so if the laws allow it should we do it? sex over 17 is ok.. so should we go out and do it? you cant be so general in the world.. the same applies to with going out to clubs. ok.. heres a wee story! there was once two houses, one full of girls, one full of guys. the girls were christian, the guys were not. one girl was over the top christian.. throwing it in their faces they were soo wrong for smoking, so wrong for drinking, so wrong for not going to church... yet she went out and got absolutely plastered and turned on everything she was so set against. another was a christian who held the same views.. but she wouldnt go out and drink, or go to a club, or go out dancing.. the guy would chat to her sometimes but would take no notice and she wasnt that bothered with them either. the third.. held some of the same views, she loved God, would help the guys out with cleaning and cooking and would share her views quite openly but didnt press them. every tuesday she would go out with the guys to a club and have a drink, she would dance the night away and have fun but never got drunk, never lost control. those guys sat up and noticed! she wasnt one of these "stuffy christians" she met them where they were, she told her views, yet stuck to them! now..in my humble opinion its each to their own! everyone is entitled to their own views and where they are comfortable, in the same way each of us can evangelise in the best way we see and can do! its just.. i guess we have to realise that the Bible isnt a book of rules and regulations, it isnt a book condeming us all and telling us off.. in essence it is a tragic but beautiful love story. why do so many people forget that... |
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| huggy | Dec 15 2006, 11:14 AM Post #64 |
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thats a class we story, and it sums up what i think aswell. But i'm not so sure about the laws, i still don't think any should be broken, yet i'm not sayin its ok to do everything that is legal. Like capital punishment has to be the worst law ever, you are just as evil as the criminal. |
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| alibi | Dec 15 2006, 03:28 PM Post #65 |
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hmm.. see laws are a tricky one (and im not saying we should all go out and break laws!
) but laws are set by society for society and well some are not good and conflict with Christian beliefs so where would we stand there? do we just accept them as ok coz our laws say so or do we stand against them and society and say they are a breach of our beliefs? and i apologise coz thats brought us onto a totally new topic but anyway..its just that quote stuck out in my mind and i wanted to address it!
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| Rachy | Dec 16 2006, 05:39 PM Post #66 |
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the bible states we are to obey the law of the land, but if this brings us into conlifct wiht our duty to God or what the bible says, then we obey God. early church scholars said render unto caesars that which is caesars and unot God that which is Gods. in the early church the roman law was worshipping the roman Gods, being in the roman army etc, the christians refused becuase they only worshipped one God and morally didnt agree with being in the army. today for us it would be things like us openly preaching the bible etc. we are fortunate that in the uk so far we have been allowed to do this, but in mant other countries like the east, u are killed simply for being a christian, reading the bible, not worshipping the leaders and u arent even allowed a church. this has led christians to have undergorund churches liek in north korea and china. what is amasing is that the more persecution, the more Christians go out of theit way to serve God. so, abide by the law, eg. speed limits, until the laws bring you into conflict wiht bible teaching. i do not beleive that the law on age and drinking or clubbing applies here at all in the slightest. |
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| beky777 | Dec 17 2006, 11:00 PM Post #67 |
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ur story was nice but it was simply a story. This may all seem well n an ideal world but we arent livin in an ideal world. Honestly i mean honestly how many Christians go to a club with the intention of evangelising. More than likely ZERO, they go to have a gd time with their mates, not to preach Christ crucified! Seriously jus search the scriptures! Its in corinthians sumwere, It says "how can light have fellowship with darkness." Wen a Christian goes to a club they are fellowshipping with darkness, the world which we are not to be part of. Do you think the christians of the Early CHurch went socialising with there pagan mates to all the roman festivals (i as a Alevel re student know the answer) No they didnt. And God blessed them for it!!! The Church grew tremendously cus they took a separatist attitude. We are not of this world, we are Christs! Also wats to say th girl havin a few drinks didnt go n get plastered cus she didnt no herown limits. With alcohol we cnt no r limits n quite frankly i dnt want to find them. Also if ur underage u shudn even be in a niteclub cus well ur breakin the law and ur lying to the bouncer. Also checkout my very long comment on alcohol! |
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| alibi | Dec 18 2006, 01:12 AM Post #68 |
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it wasnt simply a story.. i lived in belfast.. that was my housemates.. welcome to life! see the point here is.. and the point i was trying to make.. is u can say all you want.. but you must also show it!! with alcohol u can know your limits... speaking from personal experience and im glad too! id rather know when to start or stop! |
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| Rachy | Dec 18 2006, 12:37 PM Post #69 |
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yes becky your right. i also do alevel re and i think if people actually studied the early chruhc, where christianity began, theyd think twice about waht they do today. you can tsay drink doesnt affect you otr that you know when to stop etc, because after one drink you are not in the seem control you reviously where even if its not apparent. plsu with an attitude liek that , dependn on your mood you could jsut go tp pot and drink more. plus,drinkn leaves you vlunerable to getn drink spiked etc which could lead to more serious issuses. you are absuing your body an dyou ahve the holy spirit within you which is affecte dna dthus you cna start to drift away gradually from God and lose the joy of salvaTION |
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| alibi | Dec 18 2006, 04:20 PM Post #70 |
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righteo.. in the early church they were persuaded to drink wine, especially if their drinking water wasnt clean.. now its not the same wine as now, but it wasnt exactly grape juice either. most of the references i can find deal with getting drunk and addiction.. not with drinking alcohol itself! oh dear.. look for my experience and this is my own!! may be totally different to others.. but in my experience i do know when to stop and i also know what i feel comfortable with so please do not tell me i am not in control! drinking anything when u are out leaves u vulnerable to getting your drink spiked!! doesnt matter if its alocohol, coke or a J2O! its still very possible! going out to a club once a week or once a month and having one drink is a long long way away from abusing your body! |
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| Rachy | Dec 19 2006, 02:52 PM Post #71 |
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yeh exactly, drinkn anythign when your out clubbing leaves you vulnerable so in other words you shouldnt be there in the first place. its a den of iniquity and sin, going there is jsut suppporting it, th ewhole atmosphere, i dont know how christians dont have a guilty conscience getting involved in all that.its very sad. |
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| PhilyG | Dec 19 2006, 03:16 PM Post #72 |
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just read becky777 coment on 1st page and you will get my opinion there too. Phil
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| huggy | Dec 19 2006, 08:17 PM Post #73 |
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well there was a gd wee debate there, and i have to agree with alibi. Yeas if its illegal don't do it! And getting drunk is stupid too, but i find nothing wrong with going to a club. And no we may not be going to a club to spread Gods word, but to have a good time. Now i can't see what wrong with that. And also people will notice you if you arn't drinkin, especially people that know you, they'll mabey talk to you about it, and there your chance to show them why its wrong. So its not about going out preaching everywhere you go, it about doing it at the right moment. Its like the evangilism(sp lol) topic, u shouldn't do it unless it is apropriate. Well that my viewpoint because you don't want people to think that our religion is 'wierd' or 'strange'. |
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| alibi | Dec 19 2006, 10:43 PM Post #74 |
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has anyone here who disagrees with a club or bar ever actually been to one? if you go anywhere u leave ur self at risk if you dont know the dangers or precautions!! i enjoy going to clubs, i enjoy going to dance and to meet friends and have a good laugh! it doesnt need alcohol, although i do take a drink or two and i know i will not go off the wall! do you know something? i did street evangelism for ages and i found out that most people we tried to talk to saw us as people who set down rules and rules and more rules. who frowned apon everything and had no fun! there was nothing in it about the joy and freedom and love!! i agree with huggy, to be able to go out, have fun, without getting plastered or screwed up and just showing u enjoy life sends such a massive message out to people! |
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| huggy | Dec 19 2006, 11:26 PM Post #75 |
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that was better put than me thnx alibi
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