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Clubs - Yes? No?; Can a Christian go to Clubs?
Topic Started: Sep 10 2006, 05:35 PM (1,827 Views)
J.A.C.C.
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sry, maybe that sounded a bit harsh. ok, i have been 2 a club and most were atheists - some drunk. also at 11pm, where do all these drunkin pple come from that r hangin around town? there r always ques goin in2 r out of clubs and they go in 4 1 reason - 2 get drunk and that is prohibited by the Bible. i agree that not evry1 goes in2 a pub 2 get drunk r 2 get up 2 no good but im just sayin it would b safer not 2 go, some pple are influenced.
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the point of a club or pub is for people, mostly un saved, to feed the desires of the sinful human nature. This sinful human nature is sumthin which Christians are not to partake of. ("Wherefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature...old things have passed away...behold all things are become new.")
Also pubs and clubs are places of the world (aka darkness) ("How can light have fellowship with darkness.")
clubs and pubs have no purpose for the Christian
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alibi
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...hmm... see i disagree still.. some people do just go out for a night out dancing and having a laugh! ive been out with groups of christians before to a club.. none have got drunk and have just had a good night out coz there is no where else like that to go out dancing! if u are strong enough to go out to a club without drinking and just to have a good time then fair play.. but each to their own! i just know that its good craic to go out to a club without getting drunk and just being able to dance and have fun... coz in a crowded room no one cares how bad u are at dancing :lol:
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I agree with alibi here, as long as you are strong enough its ok, and its true, there are little if any clubs that are alcohol free!!! So really i think its ok, i know there is all this stereotyping of people in clubs, which to be honest is mostly true, but if you're out to have a good time, and you can control yourself it shouldn't be a problem.
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Phil McWill
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I cant believe this is still goin on btw lol
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char
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i agree with phil this has to be the longest topic EVER!!! i think there are some really valid points in all points of view here...yea its class to go out an dancin and if your strong enough to say no then its your choice also the whole dont be of the world thing thats a good point...but perosnally for me the thing that stands out teh most is the idea that non-christians arent going to come floodin into our churches so we have to go to where they are and a light does shine better in darkness than surrounded by lots of other lights...or its impact is greater!!!i have lots of non0-christian friends and i lvoe them askin me why im not drinkin coz it gives me such an opportunity and now a lot of them know i dnt drink they know they can always rely on me to keep them right etc when they are out and i believe thats its actions that sometimes shine way brighter then words!!
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so just becus unsaved people arent flooding into churches, means we are to compromise r own beliefs in order to witness?
I think the fact that people wen they ask me am i goin to preformal and i say no, i get an mazing oportunity to witness without the obvious distractions when in a club.

i qoute the Bible yet again, "for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?"
(2corinthians 6 v 14)

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but u must also realise that depending on the person you say that to that some will think "oh what a stuck up christian.. theyre no fun at all" while some make take notice! its more of a talking point i suppose that u go and have a good night but show that u can have a good night without getting drink or compromising ur beliefs!
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alibi
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^ twas me! i was a silly moo and forgot to sign in! :lol:
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beky777
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so then depending on the person depends on how u approach them with the Gospel? I understand we have to have tact wen we proclaim the Gospel, bt did Jesus ever hold back for fear that people thought He was stuck up? No He told the pharisees exactly how it was, in fact Jesus called them vipers!

So i still dnt see ur point, if sumone wishes to think me stuck up for holding steadfastly to the scriptures then so be it, but i still will not compromise my beliefs for fear of bein unpopular. Jesus said not to hide r light under a bushel, so dnt, let the world see that u r a Christian by standing a far off from the darkness of the world, and bein a guiding light to the lost.

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rachy
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totally agree becky! course non christians will sumtimes tink us stuck up becaue we make them fell uncomfortable in there sin! not gona say anything havent before, cuz this realy annoys me and frustates me lol
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i am not saying that you should alter you beliefs or compromise them.. what i am saying is that by showing people rules and regualtions and such like and making them think you cannot have fun as a christian it doesnt really make them think "oh do you know something... i want to be a part of that!" it doesnt work!! showing love, having fun, meeting people on a one to one basis works!! showing that theres something that makes you different..ie having Christ in you life

its like people standing in the streets preaching the gospel.. thats not personal.. fair play to people who do that and i know i couldnt.. but it doesnt make me want to take notice... makes me want to duck away!

and "course non christians will sumtimes tink us stuck up becaue we make them fell uncomfortable in there sin" ...thats not why they think christians are stuck up.. they think christians are stuck up because they segregate themselves from others and it seems christians think they are better people and above everyone else! thats why!!
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If a person beecomes a CHristian simply to fit into a crowd and becus they think to themselves they seem lik a lot of fun, i wud seriously doubt their convictions, it sounds harsh but its true. Ive seen it before, a person gets saved and then the friend decides that well i beta do dat too, more often than not the person is bk where they strtd, walkin far from God.
Its lik dis we dont decide to get saved in reality, cus we are dead in sin. When we are physically dead, we can do nothing for rselves, so therfor wen we a re spiritually dead we cn do nothing spiritually for rselves, its onlyu thru the wrking of the Holy spirit that we are convicted.
I think that separatng myself from the vile sins of the wrold i am showing thast i hav something different, i have Christ.

By telling them that hey look wen u become a Christian things are differnt, you goota let go of the world and its sin i am ultimately showing them more love than one hu says yea jus do wat u wnt. I may seem like im bein harsh, cold and unloving but actually i am demonstrating tremendous love for the sinner, becaus i want to tell them wats right becus i have a lov for their soul. I want to see people saved and walking with CHrist so that their soul is right with God and that they too can be in Heavens glory.
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should you not have more interest and love in the person and then their soul? surely guiding them and trying to be subtle about it is better than saying "you've done A,B and C wrong so you're a sinner and going to hell.. but if you ask to be saved.. but then you cant do A,B,C and D oh E there too" i know if i had ever been told that i would have thought frig this and never become a christian, that moment would have been planted in my head for ages.

i have seen people come to su and think hey this is pretty cool and talk to me about what its like to be a christian and ask questions and how to give there life to God, ...getting socurious simply by people being there as a friend and seeing God in them.. took 3 years to get her to that point...

then by one stupid slip up, by one stupid comment by someone in su who asked , loudly so my friend could hear "oh what is SHE doing here! she does this and she does that! she shouldnt be here!" it blew everything out of the water and that was someone everyone in school knew as to be a "great christian" someone who would preach to people openly about needing God and came out with stupid comments in french when once asked a question she got wrong and said "but we all sin and fall short of the glory of God!" :blink: :rolleyes: surely there is a time and place to meet people and show people God than just preaching at them and removing yourself from everything!
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Raymie
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Reading this theres a lot of things why people probably get this sooooo wrong and confused!
The thing is if your not ready to forsake your sins and the things of this world, and submit yourself to Christ and make him Head of your life, the surely you wouldnt ever be a Christian.
When God convicts, the Holy Spirit stirs all this up in our hearts, and makes us feel guilty that, we are sinning against a Holy God, who loved us sooooooooooooo much he sent His only Son to die for our sins that we can, when convicted be brought into fellowship with God.
Its not about ... oh they said being a Christian is this soo .... i dont wana do that.
Get away from it all being about the person, and about me and i, its about God, Gods the one taht saves, He is the one that draws us to him, not us waking up one day deciding to be a Christian. We cannot or will not ever be able to cause an anxious thought, the Holy Spirit does all the work. So to think we cud ever intervene in the Holy Spirits work, we are cutting back the power of God and the Holy Spirits work of convicting our hearts.

Clubs ..... put it this way. I heard this story 2nite! there was a man brought up a young child and he would have tapped a spoon against a jar and the young child brought him his drink, eventually the father gave the young boy of 18 his first drink and eventually, that boy got soo drunk he murdered someone and was sentenced to death. While in the gallows, they asked had the young man anything to say and he simply said this ..... Father , remember the spoon and the jar!

Can you imagine, when God returns and we are all gathered for the judgement, and some person says ..... I became an alcoholic because so and so showed me it was ok to go to clubs and well, when i went there i thot i cud go without drinking, but then, well you know Satan does attack people and get at people, he even caused man to fall! soo like you kno i just took one drink, well then , i started taking more drinks, and well i thot id try a few cigareetts and then well i was soo drunk one night i had pre martial sex with some girl. all because so and so went a club and they seemed to do it ok and evrything.
Imagine if that so and so was you, imagine if the so and so was me.
I know when i die i dont want anyone to say because of my testimony i led them into a public house or a club, which eventually desensitized them to alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, sex and a life of terrible sins. I will have to answer enuff for my own failings and fallings without realising my testimony led to somethign like that!
So reallly those of you who are all on for this club business .... can you answer and tell God you did it all for Him? A Holy, a just and Supreme God, King of Kings and Lord of Lords, that you thought you knew best and thought you would be fishers of men by jumping into the waters of this world, instead of casting your net from inside the boat.
Surely to goodness, all these people running to such places dont think they are soooo infallible and sanctified Satan wont trip them up and cause them to backslide, hes a subtle man, presenting himself as an angel of light .... yet you go and put yourselves in such a precarious situation! Why not do the bigger thing and stand outside the club serving tea? or talking to the people going in and out!? I know a friend up in Coleraine at Uni does that, and gets a far better reaction and in the end, she can say to God, i tried God, i was a fisher of men from inside the boat and i followed your word, i didnt try to do it my way, i did it yours, and i submitted myself to you!
How about for once we do things Gods way, because He knows best, Christians now seem to think thier way is best ...
... Jesus sat in the company of sinners yes but he was an infallible man, but we didnt hear of him, going and talking and trading among those selling within the temple???? Wat did he do!? He went mad, tossed thier tables and told them to get out .... imagine what they wud have said "my goodness and he wants us to follow him, look what hes just done, no way wud i wana be one of them"

Like you know what, its time we stopped doing and giving into our own pleasures and sins and wants and time we started being disciples for Christ. His own people in Nazareth rejected Him, yet we are that busy worried about being "uncool" or "stuck up" or in "bubbles" or actually shock horror, being "christians" we decide well lets sorta go with the flow. We wont drink and we wont do the rest, but we can go and dance away and stuff, and like ... Satan wudnt evr tempt us because like why wud he, and if he does we cud soo resist it because we never fall into temptation. Like wise the bap ....

And dare i ask, how many of yous who go to clubs actually witness, do you tell them people they need to be saved. I kno the answer is no. we are to be salt and light, and we cant be light when we are as dark as the darkness of this world and if we are dim, we arent much use either! We need to be shining bright a different example and you know what, God will use our works and labours then!

Its time for Christians to get back to the Bible and back to God and then we might start seeing something happening and true professions becuz if nething this wee land, with all the Gospel preaeching available is rife with false professions or people with one foot in the world and one foot with Christ. It cant go on , and shudnt go on. We are a seperated people, and i dont want none of this bubble crap cuz im not saying cut urself off from people, because thats a pathetic argument by now! wat we can do is set ourselves aside and interact with sinners in lots of other places! Why dont you go into Tescos and start witnessing instead of some Club or something!? Like the poeple about there need as much help and brought the Word of God??? But maybe you wudnt get the enjoyment there as you wud get in a club?
Its time we were less self seeking people, and seek the will and mind and knowledge of God.

And before i get some sort of comment biting back at everything ive said, read it again and really really seriously challenge yourself!

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