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Creation?????
Topic Started: Sep 23 2006, 07:14 PM (597 Views)
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days can't really be million of years. definetly not in my opinion.
it clearly says and the morning and the evening being the 1st day etc.
you just need to have faith and believe it
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hmm... that opens it up a bit :unsure:
My NLT or The Message REMIX:// doesn't say anything about morning and evening but it does mention it in KJV. Wonder y?
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:angry: It is obvious that GOD created the Universe. The account in Genesis is true and clearly states HOW God created it too. He said it and it was done! It was not by evolution or big bang. :rolleyes: It has been proven that evolution is wrong and the big bang is too far fetched to believe that everything in nature, very complex (from A-level biology!! :unsure: ) that it could not have been created by a random big bang and if so, why has no more happenend? :o It is clear to see and many scientists have had to bow down to Gods word and realise that there is a God out there and he is to believed and his word is true.

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totally agree wit ya der PhilyG! (is da phillp gordon frm BCM??)

yea was it not darwin nimself hu said not even he could explain the human eye.
i tink if u jus look at nature its clear the there was intelligent design (i.e GOD!!)
Imean evenus humans think were great wen we mak all r we machines n we tink we'r pretty intelligent, yet can we create life - NO -

Also is it not in some of Pauls writings that he said that those who have not heard the Gospel have no for not cmein to God excuse becus they see God in the creation all around them?!?!

Also i find it quite offensive wen we a are forced to learn about Evolution and the Big Band, n half the teachers teach it like its fact, yet we are never realli taught creation, cept mayb for a 20min core re lesson or sumthin random.
In fact in my GCSE's in Summer, i was asked in me Physics paper How was the universe created? not what is the theory. So for the marks i had a write the Big Bang!!!
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hmm.. guest your point that days cannot be millions of years i have to disagree with... alot of the Bible is written in parables and stories.. i think its written like that so people could understand it.. now to sit and tell someone "ooh by the way.. the hydrogen and oxygen was mixed at 3 gazillion parts to 1 million to create water and that was done over the period of 1.6 millions years..." you know it would make people get lost in it all! plus it means an artist reveals the secrets of his masterpiece i guess.. would leave out the essence of faith!

plus if it really was a period of a day.. why?! why not the millions of years.. or a millisecond.. God is most powerful... he could do it in that length of time so why a day? to make it relevant to peoples lives! :) .. i dont mean to go on about that coz im getting bogged down in the pettiness we find in some Christian circles but its just my ideas on it all!

and i think i may try to repost my thoughts on the big bang.. huge maggisive posts are far too big to read and quite tiresome too!
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hmm.. now for a scientist bowing down to God i think would be quite hard! theres something there about having an inquisitive mind that just wont do it til all areas of evidence and doubt are totally researched.. therefore more and more theories will keep coming up!

big bang itself... well in the theory it states that our universe jumped into existence as a singularity 14 billion years ago, that the universe expanded.. not as a bang but as a progression.. from something very wee and hot with the energy and matter creating the universe as we know it, being quite cold and massive.

now as with the creation theory the universe had to start somewhere.. and the big bang theory agrees with this. there was a starting point where there was nothing.. therefore the big bang cant happen again.. but well actually it could but there isnt enough concentrated energy for it to be possible.. and its actually still happening. the universe is still expanding as we speak: hubble's law.

however this is where we all get muddled up and everyone, christians and scientists alike should realise that everything is theory! nothing is.. and nothing can ever be proved about the beginning of the universe.. coz well lets face it.. none of us were there!

when we look at the big bang theory we realise it contradicts the first law of thermodynamics! kind of a fundamental flaw there! :)

although i still stick with my theory.. there was a big bang at the start of it all.. but that was created and controlled by God.. the steady state theory, redshift and blueshift, hubble's law and all other such things could be thrown in to give us something to think about.. something to test our faith or even see what fits in where!
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yea i agree alibi, with us not able to prove it. But in the bible it say 'days', so thats what i believe, i'm not saying your wrong, cus i don't know. Its just that God worte the Bible through people, and he was there! But yes i could have been a parable/story for us to understand.
As for the big bang, i don't really know, because God didn't explain how he created the univers, he could just have made it instantly, or used the big bang to create it. Either or, i doesn't matter really as long as we believe that God created the universe.
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if the big bang actually happened why didnt the Bible say so...it didn needa get technical but y didn it say sumthin along the lines of....

a very small bundle of energy...bla...bla...bang!...bla...earth began to form....eventually became able to sustane life etc.

The point is it didn. N if u assume the Genisus account to b a parable, then u cud assume the life of Jesus to be a parable, n if thats true then well tough luck life has no meaning, we're all gonna die, the end.

Revelations clearly reads as a pictorial and not totally literal (ie there isnt actual goin b a beast wit 10 horns its a representation...Daniel 10 in a similar fashion) But Genisus doesnt, it reads like much of the Bible...FACT!

Plus i am actually a great supporter of science, but sometimes the theories r jus made up to suit another theory.
For example, if the Big Bang actually happened, scientist worked out how much stuff shud be in the universe, turns out they can account for 5% of wateva the number was.(basically disproves Big Bang theory) But then they come up wit this airy fairy nonsense about black matter, which kinda cnt be seen, or traced, but of course its there(jus to suit the big bang theory)
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God didn't need to tell us how he made the world, andd he didn't. He just said it 'and it was done'(not a direct quote). So how he did this is his secret, but it is of no worth to us, wether the big bang theory is true or not, doesn't matter.(however i don't believe in evalution-is that contradicting?) as long as we believe in God, and in the end, that what it all come down to, believing in God, and asking for his forgiveness for our sins. Don't be distracted from such things like the bib bang theory. However, we are to have faith, so that means we also believe that God did make the earth, not matter what way.
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did u ever notice that 'energy' isnt mentioned in the Bible really? well in the older versions anyway.. plus there is i dont even think there's a word for energy in ancient greek.. so how do u even start to describe something there isn't anything similar to? to be able to describe something there needs to be a parallel to something else we understand!

...dont tell me what i think in accordance to parables! i believe that Jesus Christ walked the earth and i believe it wasnt a parable! i do however believe that the start of the world was a parable as it couldnt be written down in a way that people would understand it and i surely do not believe for one second it was a FACT that the world was created in 7 periods of 24 hours! i just dont see that as logical! i think it is.. as i have said before.. something people could relate to!

lmao!!! ofcourse science is theory!! theres too much out there that will reamin theory and never be proved.. doesnt mean its wrong though. i read tons of paper on dark matter and i agree! its something thats thrown in because it cant be accounted for, yet everything else fits!!

im afraid neither science nor the Bible for that fact can give an exact account for the creation of the universe and it will always remain as one of those "great debates/mysteries"

i agree totally with huggy here!! we always seem to get caught up in such silly stuff and forget that God, His love for us, forgiveness of sins and us living lives for Him is the most important thing here!
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really didnt mean to stop the debate there! lol!
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i think we are basically goin to have to agree to disagree!lol
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i think that'll just always be the outcome of this debate! :)
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If the Big Bang is so true were did the gases come from?? Is space not a vacuum how could the gases explode???
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it cant have just come from no where... or you discount the first law of thermodynamics! you debate if there was matter... or energy first.. which worked and created which.. chicken and the egg theory...yadda yadda yadda.. theres loads of theories!

some scientists believe that it wasnt two huge big balls of energy but it was minute particles of nothing that swirled together.. and well.. became something! but yet again we're back to the age old question of "well what was there to begin with?" and that can never be answered!

you're thinking of things burning in space... doesnt really happen unless there is a supply of oxygen to let them burn... explosions are a lil bit different. explosions.. in the case of the big bang... are due to energy and what the things involved are made up of! they dont require an outside supply of oxygen or fuel, they make their own.. or well atleast something similar!

take lead azide as an example! the azide groups separate to form nitrogen, which is a reaction that gives a lot of energy and expanding gas.

or even dimethyl hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide. The two combine in a very violent reaction where the nitrogen tetroxide (N2O4) provides the oxygen needed for the reaction to take place.

also due to the lack of air an explosion in space.. due to the fact it doesnt have forces acting against it would happen at a rapid rate, and in straight lines with no debri! would be pretty cool to watch if it wasnt over within a second! :)

whos to say God didnt use the big bang to created the universe! its just one of those things we'll never know!
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