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| Kyle | Oct 5 2006, 03:40 PM Post #1 |
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Just thought we could share our views on this subject! The speaker in SU left it pretty open for us to take away from it what we wanted/thought applied most to us. [b]NB[/b] - 2 separate questions here, the first 3 options are for the question [i]What do you think about drinking alcohol?[/i] and the next 3 options are for the question [i]How do you regard the law and alcohol?[/i]. Thanks for your input! |
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| Kyle | Oct 8 2006, 04:15 PM Post #2 |
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well... lots of votes, and no comments. Post people post! I'll kick it off shall I? Personally I don't mind having the odd drink, but only an odd one. There's no way I would even consider getting drunk. The Bible teaches that your body is the Lord's temple, and it should be treated with respect. My interpretation of this is that getting drunk would not be respecting the Lord at all! To be brutally honest, if i was out for a meal I'd probably enjoy a glass of coke just as much as I would a glass of beer. I may learn to enjoy the beer more with time, but why bother drinking so much of it that I can tolerate it? If it's not instantly nice then I don't see the point in forcing yourself to drink it. I mean I don't like Dr Pepper... I don't feel the need to forcefeed myself that just so i can be seen drinking it. Just cause alcohol is alcohol shouldn't make a difference on whether or not you choose to drink it. As for the 18's rule, I have to say I agree with waiting until you are 18 until you drink. Many people who start drinking young don't know the bad effects of it, and where it can lead to. As I've heard said many times, "you don't know which drink will yurn you into an alcoholic. it could just be the first..." My life is perfectly fine without getting lamped every weekend. I certainly don't subscribe to the theory that you can't have a good time without alcohol, and i can't stand people using the phrase "happy" to describe themselves when tipsy. Happiness and alcohol don't go together in my opinion. Well that's my views. Anyone else care to share theirs? |
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| Laurnie | Oct 8 2006, 09:25 PM Post #3 |
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Iv just no real desire to drink. I mean im happy enuf with a coke r watever coz i like the taste so y wud i want alcohol? To make me drunk?! Nope, drunkeness is wrong as i agree with the whole ur body s the temple...... Plus it clearly syas in th bible u r not to get drunk. As 4 the taste, wine is disgusting, and iv tasted the odd alcopop. But really y wud i want to drink wen im just as happy with a coke. I don'y c nethin wrong with drinkin in moderation of course. However it is a touchy issue as well. In that say u r with a group of Christians and havin a drink, wot if one member is a reformed alcoholic, one drink can be enuf to send them in their old ways again. So ya gota b careful. But its a pesonal choice at the end of the day. But im really not bothered about drink. And although im not 18 yet and i think u shud w8 til ur 18 if ur gna drink, i don't think i will drink when im the age. |
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| bronagh | Oct 9 2006, 05:02 PM Post #4 |
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ok i agree wit kyle on this one!!i tink havin da odd drink is ok, but certainly dont agree wit gettin drunk!! also i tink it is right to wait until your 18 to drink however, i know from experience dat it is often difficult not to drink until your 18.i mean if ur out wit ur mates,most who r 18 n al drinkin...it can b very difficult to say no. and there is always the stance...im only gona hav 1,n im not gettin drunk!!fair enough...if u totally 100% believe dat u will b able to stay sober...but most of the time its not always like dat. in a group of mates,u tend to follow the crowd n more than not will get carried along wit watever they r doin!!peer pressure is an awful ting!! i no dat wen i was listenin to rick speaking at su on thursday there was an element of guilt in me.ive never bin drunk n dont rly want to...but i hav had a drink b4 n always kinda thought this is ok im not gettin drunk. but then u realise ok this mayb is wrong!! i tink its important to set a personal boundary wit the whole how much will or can i drink!!as a christian i tink dis boundary should be set n should be kept to!!n personally i tink it should be set as low as possible!! i hope dis made sense,i jus kinda rambled on a wee bit der!! |
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| suzanne | Oct 9 2006, 05:48 PM Post #5 |
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at the mo i thnk we al kinda agree on this one with the whole don't get drunk thing. it does say in proverbs 20.. i think that "wine and beer make people loud and uncontrolled. it is not wise to get drunk on them." so that kinda clears it uo. as for the age thing i don't want to drink until im 18 (although i have had glass of champagne) and even then i don't if i will cos i don't ever want to be drunk and who knows if i have one drink would i be able to stop myself? as i said i have had a galss of champagne before at celebrations but to be honest i really didn't think it was all that great.. so why would i choose to drink it. yep dats pretty much what i think. |
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| Guest | Oct 13 2006, 03:45 PM Post #6 |
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i do agree with u suzanne there but i dont think that verse really proves alot as it just says that it is not wise 2 drink not that it is a sin?? no wat i mean?? im sure there r some verses saying that it is a sin but i diont think that your example really proves anything! |
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| Kyle | Oct 13 2006, 08:39 PM Post #7 |
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Here's the notes from the talk that was given on alcohol, inc. Bible references and all, if you wanna read up and form your own opinion!(Thanks for these rachel!) SU - Rick Preston - Thursday 5th October - Christians and Alcohol ISSUE : To drink or not to drink? 2 questions - Is it OK for Christians to drink? - Is it OK for Christians to get drunk? 1. IS IT OK FOR CHRISTIANS TO GET DRUNK? NO! (See Galatians 5 v 19-21) BUT these verses also show us that we as Christians can’t condemn the actions of others - we have to look at ourselves before we judge others! ALSO... We are called to love, encourage and support others - yes, we should let them know our beliefs BUT SHOULD LOVE THEM INSPITE OF WHAT THEY DO! God isn’t stupid - He knows our temptations, weaknesses and curiosity People believe that alcohol is a means of escaping reality - it can be fun BUT There are always 2 sides to a story! (Sometimes people only see the “good” side) It’s a short term fix - people pretend not to have a care in the world, but often the most broken people drink Alcohol can destroy lives - Used by people to escape their problems but it can BECOME the problem - addiction Useful verses : • Ephesians 5 v 18 • Galatians 5 v 19-21 2. IS IT OK FOR CHRISTIANS TO DRINK? Bible doesn’t say “Don’t drink”! - the issue we need to deal with is controlling its effects Can affect our decisions - we can therefore compromise our beliefs Reasons to drink : • Taste? • Image? • Peer pressure? DIFFICULTY - Bible doesn’t give us a limit ALSO... Jesus turned water into wine - Paul told Timothy to drink some wine Useful verses : • Proverbs 20 v 1 • Proverbs 23 v 29 - 33 WE HAVE TO MAKE OUR OWN CHOICES And finally... most of us are UNDERAGE!!! A little note from Rachel... This isn’t a Bible verse but it’s still relevant! I found this quote in a book by one of my favourite Christian authors and although it was written quite a few centuries ago, things haven’t changed that much! It kind of reminded me that so many people in the world are constantly searching for something to satisfy that space in their heart that only God can fill, whether it’s alternative religions or spiritual groups, relationships, or even substances like drugs or alcohol. Hope you like it! AUGUSTINE - ‘ O soul, He only who created thee can satisfy thee. If thou ask for anything else, it is thy misfortune, for He alone who made thee in His image can satisfy thee.’ |
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| char | Oct 19 2006, 09:04 PM Post #8 |
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First of all Guest there is no verse in the Bible which says it is a sin to drink, as Rick pointed out it would probably make things a lot easier if it did say that as there wud b no grey area..but no! Well, personally I dont think there is anything wrong with having the odd drink as long as you stay within your own personal limits, which for a Christian I think should be weeeellll before the point of feeling "happy" or drunk. This is all well and good but in study the other day I heard a group talking about a guy who went to our school from 1st to 5th year an is the year above us...in school he was frankly a bad rip!!everyone knew he was bad an he got a real reputation but about a year or so ago he became a Christian, these people in study knew that he had become a Christian and they were talking about him, someone said "Yea he's a Christian now isn't he" and another person said "No he's not sure I see him out at Gowdy's with a drink in his hand sometimes. He only ever has one or two tho coz he normally drives". So this person knew that the guy in question only ever has one or two drinks but clearly thought that this meant he wasn't a Christian... Another story, my friend was out a work do and someone ordered a round of drinks, they ordered her an alcoholic one which she didnt really have a problem with, a man came up and asked her "What does that bracelet mean?" and she said "What would Jesus do?" and the man said "Well would he be drinking that???" which really made me think...would he? I dont think we should really be concerned with what people think about us...ok well i didnt phrase that right i meant i think we should be MORE concerned with what God thinks of us rather than what people think of us...although technically from a Biblical and from the laws point of view it may be ok for Christians to drink what do non-Christians think when they see it??If that moment when they see you with a drink in your hand is the only Christian influence they will have this year or in their whole life what message does it send out?? Now as I said perosnally I dont see a problem with having one or two drinks but anytime I have a drink in my hand I will always be thinking...what message does this give out...its a confusing thought i know.....but it all goes back to what Neil was talking about in SU today...if you wanna go out, have fun with your friends and have one or two drinks there is probably nothing wrong with that, but if you are going out for the primary purpose of being a light in the darkness would you drink???what do you guys think?? |
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| Guest | Oct 24 2006, 06:40 PM Post #9 |
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Soz we were discussing this in RE da othr day n dsided 2 join da debate. I feel that as a christian we should be able to go out and have a good time without alcohol because it says in the bible that we shouldn't do something that may cause some one else 2 sin. So if some1 sees us drinking and knows dat were a christian they may think hey there drinking and there a christian so it must be ok for me 2 go out n drink and that could involve them getting drunk. Also alcohol harms our body no matter how little of it we drink and our bodies don't belong to us they belong to God. would you reck a CD that wasn't yours?? Also I know that it says "give him wine to make him happy" but in the first couple of centuries and even in some places 2dy it is safer to drink the wine than to drink the water!!! Wots ur thoughts?? |
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| beky777 | Nov 14 2006, 09:53 PM Post #10 |
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here are some reasons why i think abstainence is the best way for the Christian. its long but please read and consider There is clear evidence in the Scriptures that believers should not drink alcoholic beverages. This report lists 7 Good Reasons Why Christians Should Not Drink Alcoholic Beverages. However, before we do that, we are going to look at the words translated wine, drink or drinking. A LOOK AT THE WORDS There are 637 references to wine, drink and drinking in the King James Version of the Bible. Most people think in today’s terms, believing that when wine is mentioned it refers to alcoholic wine. Actually, that is not necessarily true. Thirteen different words are translated "wine" in the King James Version of the Bible. The word wine has a wide range of meaning in the Bible, covering everything from grape juice, to concentrated grape syrup to alcoholic wine. OLD TESTAMENT HEBREW WORDS FOR WINE "yayin" -- It is a general term for grape beverages and includes all classes of wine, non-alcoholic or alcoholic; unfermented, in the process of fermentation and fermented. (Proverbs 31:4) The context will show whether it is alcoholic wine or not. Yayin, when used properly was always diluted with water. "shekar" -- It is the word for strong drink, unmixed wine. The 1901 edition of THE JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA says, "Yakin, wine, is to be distinguished from Shekar, or strong drink. The former is diluted with water; the later is undiluted." Shekar was not diluted with water." (see Numbers 28:7) "Tirosh" -- This word refers to fresh grape juice. It is referred to often as new wine or sweet wine. (see Proverbs 3:10; Deuteronomy 7:13) NEW TESTAMENT GREEK WORDS FOR WINE "oinos" is the counterpart to the Old Testament word yayin. It is a general term for grape beverages and includes all classes of wine, non-alcoholic or alcoholic; fermented or unfermented. The context has to be used to determine whether the drink was intoxicating or not. (Luke 10:34; Ephesians 5:18). Oinos, when used properly was always diluted with water. "sikera" is the counterpart to the Old Testament word shekar. It is the word for strong drink, unmixed wine. (Luke 1:15) "gleukos" is the counterpart to the Old Testament word tirosh. Dr. Paul Dixon says "It refers to fresh wine, a new wine" or freshly squeezed grape juice. Now, why believers should abstain from drinking... 1. DRINKING LEADS TO DRUNKENNESS In the April 24, 1965 issue of Christianity Today, the article, on page 25 says, "People must be informed that the use of alcohol is not unlike Russian roulette: every tenth person becomes automatically hooked. the only solution is total abstinence." These statistics are supported by the American Medical Association. DRUNKENNESS IS CONDEMNED IN THE BIBLE Isaiah 5:11-- "Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!" Proverbs 23:20-- "Be not among winebibbers;" The word means to drink so much that you become tipsy or drunk. Romans 13:13 -- "Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting (drunken partying) and drunkenness (general drunken-ness)..." Galatians 5:19a & 21 -- "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these...drunkenness..." Ephesians 5:18 -- "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;" DRUNKARDS ARE AMONG THE LIST OF THOSE WHO WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." Drunkenness is a serious matter. 2. THE BIBLE CONDEMNS STRONG DRINK ALSO Proverbs 20:1 "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." NOTE again, Isaiah 5:11 -- "Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!" Proverbs 23:29-31 -- "Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? (30) They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.(a mixture of wine and spices) (31) Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright." WHAT WAS "STRONG DRINK" IN BIBLE TIMES? Distillation was not discovered until about 1500 A.D. Strong drink and unmixed wine in Bible times was from 3% to 11% alcohol. CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT DRINK STRONG DRINK! Since wine has 9 to 11% alcohol and one brand 20% alcohol, you should not drink that. Brandy contains 15 to 20% alcohol, so that’s out! Hard liquor has 40 to 50% alcohol (80 to 100 proof), and that is obviously excluded! Someone will say, "since beer is only 4% alcohol, IT’S OK FOR A BELIEVER TO DRINK BEER, RIGHT?" The answer is NO! Here’s why... 3. IN BIBLE TIMES WHAT CHRISTIANS DRANK WS SUB-ALCOHOLIC, BASICALLY PURIFIED WATER the Hebrew word "yayin" and the Greek word "oinos" These were the companion words for wine whether fermented or unfermented. In fact, whether fermented or not, it was MIXED WITH WATER. Norman Geisler, former Dean of Liberty Center for Christian Scholarship, Liberty University, has written: "Many wine drinking Christians today mistakenly assume that what the New Testament meant by wine is identical to wine used today. This, however, is false. In fact, today’s wine is by Biblical definition strong drink, and hence forbidden by the Bible. What the Bible frequently meant by wine was basically purified water," purified by adding some alcoholic wine. The Holman Bible dictionary says, wine was also used as a medicine and disinfectant. "Therefore, Christians ought not to drink wine, beer, or other alcoholic beverages for they are actually strong drink forbidden in Scripture. Even ancient pagans did not drink what some Christians drink today." All alcoholic beverages used in our culture fall under the biblical classification of STRONG DRINK and are therefore forbidden.. Their is NO BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR CHRISTIANS DRINKING THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES OF OUR DAY! What early believers drank was sub-alcoholic by today’s standards. Pastors and deacons were cautioned to steer around even the sub-alcoholic stuff (I Timothy 3:3 & 8). I feel the right choice is to abstain 4. IT WILL CAUSE OTHERS TO STUMBLE Romans 14:21 says "It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to "to drink wine, nor anything whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak." Christians who drink have given multitudes of people an excuse to drink. More than once, I have heard a believer say "there is nothing wrong with drinking in moderation. Pastor so and so even says it is OK." The problem is, drinking often sets off a chain reaction of influences that are like tipping over the first domino. Drinking causes some to stumble, others to be offended, and many to be weakened. The Bible clearly defines drinking as an activity that is to be foregone because it causes others to stumble and makes them weak (fall into sin). There is yet another reason believers should not drink... 5. IT HARMS OUR BODIES WHICH ARE THE LORD’S I Corinthians 6:19-20 "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." I Corinthians 3:16-17 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are." The first effect of alcohol on the brain is to dull the capacity for self-criticism and the sense of caution. A lessening of care and anxiety follows this. The checks on irresponsibility and unreasonable behavior are also curtailed. Actions follow the impulses, which is dangerous. Reaction time become slower; coordination is disturbed; drowsiness follows. Proverbs 23:29-33 gives clear testimony to the above description of alcohol on the brain. "Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? 30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. 31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. 32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. 33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things." "Beer, wine and hard liquor form toxic substances called aldehydes that can destroy the liver, kidney and brain cells. Aldehydes serve a useful function in preserving or ‘pickling’ dead animal tissue, but they serve no beneficial purpose in people. Alcohol dehydrates (robs) your body of its precious water supply, and along with the water go vital nutrients such as B Vitamins, calcium, magnesium and potassium." According to Good Housekeeping "Even in moderate amounts alcohol has noticeable effects on the body. Because it enters the blood stream it touches almost every organ, and its effects on feelings and behavior are well known." Alcohol has adverse affects on your esophagus, stomach & intestines, bloodstream, pancreas, liver, heart, bladder, kidneys, glands and your brain. "The most drastic and noticed effect of alcohol is the brain. It depresses brain centers, progressively produces uncoordination, confusion, disorientation, stupor, anesthesia, coma, death. Alcohol kills brain cells, and brain damage is permanent" (From-Office of Highway Safety, Madison, WI) As believers, our body belongs to the Lord. We should not knowingly do anything that would harm it. Alcohol harms the body, therefore we should not drink alcohol. There is a further reason you should not drink... 6. ALCOHOL IS ADDICTIVE I Corinthians 6:12 tells us that we are not to "be brought under the power" or to be controlled by anything. The only exception is the Holy Spirit. (Ephesians 5:18) Alcohol is clearly a powerful substance (Proverbs 23:35). Because alcohol is addictive, we should choose not to drink alcoholic beverages. The final reason we will consider for not drinking alcoholic beverages is... 7. BELIEVERS ARE KINGS AND PRIESTS SEPARATED UNTO GOD "The prophets, the kings, the Nazarites, the leaders -- those who were special in the plan of God were total abstainers" says Dr. Paul Dixon, and he is correct. Kings and public officials were not to drink (Proverbs 31:4-5). Further Dr. Dixon says "the priests of the Old Testament were to abstain totally." The Aaronic priests were not to drink because they ministered in the tabernacle before the Lord (Leviticus 10:9) The application: Believers are a "royal" or kingly priesthood (I Peter 2:9). We are the temple of God (I Peter 2:5). We are God’s special children and should choose total abstinence. Every drink that is available today, even beer, falls into the category of unmixed or strong drink. Clearly, Christians should not drink alcoholic beverages. Drinking socially is a worldly activity and in light of the fact that believers are neither to be conformed to the world (Romans 12:2) nor love the world(I John 2:15) our choice should be clear. We ARE to be SEPARATE FROM the world (II Corinthians 6:17) and LIGHT TO the world (Ephesians 5:8; Phillipians 2:15). Perhaps social drinking has enhanced the acceptability of Christians in society, but it has not advanced the cause of Christ |
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| Katie Stevenson | Nov 23 2006, 04:16 AM Post #11 |
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[QUOTE=bronagh,Oct 9 2006, 05:02 PM] i tink its important to set a personal boundary wit the whole how much will or can i drink!!as a christian i tink dis boundary should be set n should be kept to!!n personally i tink it should be set as low as possible!! [/QUOTE] Go Bronagh. Its completley true, you have to draw a line. Like Daniel drew a line when he was taken to Babylon, he served the king, he did his dutys, but he refused to eat their food, or pray to a false God. If you draw a line early on in your life, it will allow you to make good decisions later on in life, also it will give you something solid to hang on to. If you have no line you will just be pusing drinking, drungs, sex or whatever to the boundaries. You will be slowly chipped away, and soon enough you will look just like everyone else. so be careful guys xx love xx |
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| PhilyG | Dec 5 2006, 03:24 PM Post #12 |
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Alcohol is not acceptable in the bible. there are many verses that warn of its abuse and effects. I don't think a christian should drink. The place where they drink is also just as important. Iv never been and dont intent to go to a pub or werever but all these worldy entertainment places have nothing for God in them and so put God out of the matter. You must remember that we are christians and if we are to sho others this we must not act like the rest of the wordly people. U lose controlo of body and so dont know what u are doin and dont kow when to stop. Iv went off at tangent and this is real rough sketchy view but u get the pint that i dont think christains should take alcohol. Phily G :rolleyes: |
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| CATHY | Dec 5 2006, 07:13 PM Post #13 |
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but you can reach out to people who are not christians by being there and showing that you care about them. You dont need to drink anything as thats setting a bad example but just being there probaly helps |
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| Spurslad | Dec 7 2006, 07:25 PM Post #14 |
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I think it is best if you just don't touch the stuff in the first place if you drink excess amounts you will get bad kidneys and get drunk
Sure look what happened to Georgie Best his death was the cause of alcohol and no one wants to end up like him.I've never touched the stuff and I don't intend to. And whats wrong with other drinks like Fanta or even water they would probably taste better. |
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| alibi | Dec 14 2006, 11:31 PM Post #15 |
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lol! theres a few topics along the same lines.. this one runs into the same as clubbing! yeoh! now then... lets see what il ramble on with this time! this is an each to their own kinda thing though really! each person has their own limit, some like a couple of jars when they go out, some hate the stuff, some have never tried it, some have got totally tanked... as a christian im sure you should be setting an example.. but should it not be one of self control rather than "you shalt not do this.. even though technically its ok" a few drinks, if thats what your limit is, in my opinion is ok. in the Bible there is mention of wine being drunk, but not in excess! secondly are you telling me that youre going to go into france and tell everyone there, young and old to stop having a glass of wine with their meal, to help digestion and their heart because theyre not allowed it, theyll get drunk and then damage their livers? i know thats very extreme but just throwing it out there! moderation is a key here and changes and traditions in societies too! oh and one more wee point! those who are totally against it... fair play to you but be careful! i've seen so many christians lose it at some point, go off the wall and go out to get pollaxed because it seems to be the best way to rebel and because theyve never had alcohol before it seems the easiest way.. leads down to a very rough road. |
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Sure look what happened to Georgie Best his death was the cause of alcohol and no one wants to end up like him.
this is an each to their own kinda thing though really! each person has their own limit, some like a couple of jars when they go out, some hate the stuff, some have never tried it, some have got totally tanked... 
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