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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 7 2006, 05:30 PM (568 Views) | |
| Kyle | Nov 7 2006, 05:30 PM Post #1 |
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Okay "What does the Bible say about Abortion" will be the talk in next week's SU.. so we thought we'd get your views on the subject.. How do you think God would view you having an abortion? Is it okay if the woman in question has suffered a rape? Do you view abortion as murder? Your views are appreciated! Ciao |
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| Guest | Nov 9 2006, 07:34 PM Post #2 |
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well kyle no one is leaving u a comment so i thought i would!!! i do think abortion is wrong only God has the right to take away life but in some cases i can completely understand y some girls feel like abortion is their only option. However God has provided an option which doesnt include aborting a baby-adoption!many girls im sure dont want 2 bring there child up in unfriendly,unloving,deprived situations but surely adoption is a perfectly valid way of providing for ur child-i understand however that this may not always be available. Rape is a horrendous thing 2 go through but God never makes anything happen 2 us which we cannot cope with. It is very easy 4 me 2 sit here and say this but every child is a God if it has been conceived through a loving marriage, out of wedlock,artifically or as a result of a rape. They will have conceived a child for a reason and only God has the right 2 take that reason away. As i have mentioned above it is v easy 4 me to say this as thankfully i have never been put in such a horrible situation but my words would be v hard 2 put into practice had i have been a rape victim. We must remember not to judge people who do decide to abort there babies through due to any situations only God has the right to do so. God Bless xx |
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| beky777 | Nov 14 2006, 09:38 PM Post #3 |
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yup i totally agree i thibk abortion is murder. God alone has the power to give and to take life i think its in Ecclesiastes where it says for everything there is a time, a time to be born a time to die etc... Also Psalm 139, "O LOrd thou hast searched me and know me...." This Psalm is beautiful in showing that God doesnt ever think of us a simply a sac of cells or a foetus but we are a real human life, with an everlasting soul. Also think of all the people in the world who cant have children but wud dearly love to have children, and yet thousancds of babies are being aborted each year!!! I am thankful that it is illegal in our wee country! People always state but what if the child was conceived due to rape, i feel God has allowed that child to be conceived for a reason and its no excuse,but i see ur point its always easy to say i wud neva do that having never been put in such a situation. Certainly i dont think we should judge, but let them know that the Bible sees what they have done, amongst everything else they have done as sin, but sjow them that there is forgiveness throu Christ. |
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| Kyle | Nov 20 2006, 09:55 PM Post #4 |
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I gotta say I went with the top option. If a woman becomes pregnant due to a rape, then it was in God's plan all along. For a Christian, they should respect Gods plan. However I can see that perhaps many would want to give the baby up for adoption- perhaps they wouldnt be able to stand the sight of the baby as it reminded them of a horrible ordeal. At the end of the day in this debate I always go back to the quote "God giveth life and he taketh it away". Some things just shouldn't be meddled in , in my opinion! |
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| Guest | Nov 21 2006, 09:54 PM Post #5 |
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someone getting raped is part of god's plan...............charming, im sure the victim feels that way |
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| Robert | Nov 21 2006, 10:06 PM Post #6 |
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Quit with all this holy crap, if a girl wants an abortion, fair play, beat on is what i say...whatever makes them happy...the baby is not really formed or anything until well into the pregnancy...and its not murder, we don't have to consult the bible on everything. Chill out! |
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| Kyle | Nov 21 2006, 10:08 PM Post #7 |
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[QUOTE] someone getting raped is part of god's plan...............charming, im sure the victim feels that way[/QUOTE] Well yeah obviousluy it's okay for me to stand by and say that, and I can see that a victim would find it incredibly difficult to see it that way. However if they believed in predestination, and in the fact that God has our lives totally planned out then the victim may accept what has happened. |
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| Kyle | Nov 21 2006, 10:09 PM Post #8 |
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[QUOTE=Robert,Nov 21 2006, 10:06 PM] Quit with all this holy crap, [/QUOTE] Well you are on an SU forum, what do you expect lol |
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| Guest | Nov 21 2006, 10:27 PM Post #9 |
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and i expect the victim would have to forgive this guy aswell then? i used to be a christian but now im having serious doubts, i just feel that people are giving themselves to someone who they cannot prove exists. furthermore, they have to abide by so many rules and regulations which restrict our freedom. my faith has completely gone mainly due to the way the church which i attended treated people, particularly women, it was disgraceful. i just feel that they have such a strong control over people's lives, if someone does the slightest thing wrong then it is spread around the church and your discriminated against, forgiveness rarely happens. anyway my view on abortion is quite liberal now, if you want to have an abortion i feel its up to the woman, after all its her body |
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| Kyle | Nov 21 2006, 10:46 PM Post #10 |
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Hmm personally speaking I know where you are coming from. Things go on in my church that displease me a lot, and to be honest I wouldn't say I attend all that often anymore.If you ask me the church as a body has so many flaws, but that's another conversation for another day. And you say that Christians cannot prove that God exists? Christianity is based mainly around faith though. However when you see things like prayers answered, it really does strengthen your belief in God I guess. I can see how faith would be a stumbling block for many people when investigating Christianity though. It's just such a hard thing to have at times! |
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| huggy | Nov 22 2006, 04:57 PM Post #11 |
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help yourself to my msn, it'll be nice talkin to new people
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I have just read the bible recently on this subject, and God really says that we should chose life!! But there are doupts in my mind, because if a baby dies, they have no knowledge of God, so how can they be a Christian??? My personal belief is that they have not comitted a sin, as they are too small to know of sins. Therefore they are still a Christian, and i do believe that it is part of God's plan for us. You would think immediately that it is bad, and i would agree that hearing it in the news would shock me. However, the incident would have sooo much affect on people, close to the person and over the news. And the person themselves. So God could just have been warning us, or teaching us a lesson of faith. That we sould keep strong. Because if you do know anyone that has been raped, or that knows of the great problems of rape, that they will be strongly affected by it. And i would assum that this would be for the best. God is trying to show us the right path. Because if you ask a question to God, for example God i want a baby? Well there is an answer. God says that he will answer us, but not always with a yes, or no, and not always the way we want. But he will still answer our prayers none the less, according to what will be best for us. |
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| Gareth H | Nov 22 2006, 06:23 PM Post #12 |
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[QUOTE=huggy,Nov 22 2006, 04:57 PM] But there are doupts in my mind, because if a baby dies, they have no knowledge of God, so how can they be a Christian??? My personal belief is that they have not comitted a sin, as they are too small to know of sins. Therefore they are still a Christian, and i do believe that it is part of God's plan for us. [/QUOTE] As far as I know there is a certain age (nobody knows what it is) that if you are younger than that when you die, you go straight to Heaven. It's all to do with the baby/toddler or whatever not being old enough to make up their own minds so therefore they canot be punished. |
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| Katie Stevenson | Nov 23 2006, 03:58 AM Post #13 |
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Its not legal in NI anyway as far as I know... |
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| Rachel +-- | Nov 23 2006, 04:59 PM Post #14 |
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[QUOTE=Kyle,Nov 20 2006, 09:55 PM] If a woman becomes pregnant due to a rape, then it was in God's plan all along. [/QUOTE] I agree with Kyle here to an extent, but it's really hard for people to accept this as a valid point because no one can comprehend the emotions of someone who has been in that situation unless they have been. We have no idea why God has created a child through such a horrific ordeal, but he obviously has a purpose for that child in this life!I know that I've spoken to other people about this, and when you try to explain that God has a purpose for the child that has been conceived, it seems such a harsh and uncompassionate thing to say, even though it isn't! My mum is a Christian counsellor and she has had clients who have faced the possibility of an abortion or are dealing with the emotional scars following an abortion (often many years after!!!) and they often feel that they have gone against God's will in destroying the life that He created (and their own). I know as a girl that I NEVER want to find myself in a situation like that, but it's like Dr. Barr said today, often women who have been raped AND had an abortion struggle to come to terms with the termination of their pregnancy more than the emotional effects of the rape itself. We forget that new life is a sign of hope, and I'm sure that women in that situation may only see their child as a symbol of the horrific act that was committed upon them, but God could use that child to give their mother hope and a new life... All women have a natural maternal desire - that's the way God created us. Sometimes people forget that in a debate about abortion.Post- abortion women can feel that they have lost this part of themselves. We also have to consider how vulnerable a woman/girl can feel when she has become pregnant through rape or is in an insecure relationship, possibly at a young age. She may be feeling very alone and everything that seems to be bad about the situation is exaggerated beyond belief. Can you ever imagine how it must feel if you been raped and you have to deal with the emotional scars of that situation, the awkward social stigma that you are surrounded by AND the many considerations surrounding the birth of a child???Or to be a teenage girl whose boyfriend would drop you like a shot if you ever even uttered the word "baby" and who fears she may lose the support of her family??? God created children to be born within the sanctity of marriage and within a secure family of 2 parents. Today, there are so many things going on in the world that we can never be certain of this. When a woman/girl is facing a pregnancy without the support of a loving partner in a secure relationship and possibly without the support of her parents, it must be inconceivably difficult to imagine bringing up a child alone! It all comes back to what Dickie said today - we must cling on to the TRUTH of God's teaching about the precious nature of life, and also be compassionate and full of God's GRACE in helping those who find themselves in such difficult situations! I know I've strayed quite a bit here in discussing my viewpoint, but this is something I really feel passionate about through my volunteer work in various organisations such as Love For Life. Just remember the image of the 22 week old baby who received surgery whilst in his mother's womb - he reached out his hand and grabbed the nearest finger! How incredible is it to think that a child that was still younger than the upper age limit for an abortion to be carried out on, reached out for a mother's touch and the safety that offers?!? Imagine the 50 million women each year who have an abortion and never get the chance on earth to be the receiver of that tiny touch...to be the person that that child feels secure in the arms of? We really need to be more compassionate in our churches and in our own personal walks with God.
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| jazzlady | Nov 23 2006, 09:11 PM Post #15 |
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you know what guys im gonna hav 2 put my hands up here and admit that im really undecided by the whole abortion thing... 1st off theres the reasoning side of my brain which kinda thinks, well if a woman has been raped through no fault of her own why should she have to suffer the consequences, shudnt ther b that choice available 2 her?? and say a girl who has been raped decides she wil hav this baby..if shes fortunate enuf 2 b in a stable relationship, her partner is gonna have to look at that child every morning and know that its not theirs, its the product of a traumatic event between some faceless rapist and the person they care about. so as my little digression shows, a child conceived through rape cud seriously affect the guy too. and thats in fairly favourable circumstances, never mind the girls who become single mothers..its a lot of responsibility and a huge commitment (notice how i spelt it right lol) to face. but dont get me wrong this is only one side of the coin; On the other hand my faith tells me that God has created life in the womb for a reason, regardless of the circumstances surrounding the conception. and that image of the little hand clinging on2 its mother, and onto that flicker of life...it was pretty powerful stuff. so its all well and good us totally renouncing abortion due to wat the Bible says. but if im being brutally honest i dont think any of us have the right to form an opinion on the matter unless we hav experienced abortion ourselves. this mite seem really hypocritical as i am a Christian, but i no i cant even begin 2 imagine how much an unplanned pregnancy or rape wud mess up my head, and probably make me question my faith. i really feel this is a topic that has 2 b approached with a lot of sensitivity and definitely an open mind. so im gonna hav 2 sit on the fence cuz i really dont know how i feel about it yet!! |
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