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Is Suicide Right?
Topic Started: Apr 25 2007, 10:39 PM (277 Views)
J.A.C.C.
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just watchin nolan show here, theres a pretty contenscious issue here. shud pple b allowed 2 die/commit suicide if they r terminally ill?
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Are you sure you are talking about suiside, it sounds like euthanisia 2 me. There are 2 forms of euthanisa voluntary and involuntary and I dod'n believe that either are right. There is a verse in the bible that says "there is a time to live and a time to die." And I believe that in God's eyes it is murder. Even if you have a terminal illness you can not play God. Who knows God could choose to heal you so that it will being you to him and you will be able to share your story with others. Even although God didn't create terminal illness, he can use them to his advantage and we have to remember that he is able to see the whole picture and we can only see a small part of it. There could be a reason why the person has that illness.

Also there are places like hospices that terminally ill people can go to live so that they are able to end their days in comfort and will be proparly looked after.

Make sence? :D
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Yep I watched it too!!I did feel for da guy [color=red]BUT[/color] it is not us that chooses when we should die. God created us so I tink that He should choose when we die! I totally agree with u!!What a testimoney it would be to be able to tell others of how he cured u from a terminal illness but also about how he can cure them of a illness called sin!!!
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now now.. we cannot get up on our high horses can we! who are we to say that someone, who is living in constant pain, who is fearing being embarassed on the last days of their life by wetting the bed while nurses look on, who wants to die in dignity rather than become a 1/10th of who they once were, who fear suffering neglet and abuse at the hands of "social care homes" and have no voice to please against them, who are we to say that right is not their's!! who are we to say that they havent made their peace with God and all they want to do is go and see Him, end the pain and suffering they are feeling?

what about those who are on life support machine? do we make the choice to turn it off after months and months of watching our loved one? or do we turn it off, grieve but take comfort in that machine possibly keeping someone else alive?

suicide however is a different matter.. different circumstances! these people use a permanent solution to a temporary problem, but why could they see no other way out? how did they get so low? those questions should be more of our concern! believe me, you will never ever know how tempting it is, or what an option it is until you reach there! it is wrong though.. and the most selfish thing in the world that you can possibly do!



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I am going to speek from personal experiance now which is kind of why I am hoping to remain anonamus. Alibi, have you ever got so low that you have considered comitting suiside?? I have. its a long story of how I got to such a low point in my life. To give a brief outline at that stage I had had 4 people from my extended family die in three years. My realationship with my parents was at rock bottom. When you fell like this your situation seems pretty perminant to you.

At this stage I didn't see any point in living. The worst thing was that I considered myself to be a christian and at this point I descided that there was no God. So I tried to kill myself, I couldn't stand life and didn't want to live.

However when I had forgotten about God he hadn't forgotten about me. Any attempted suisides failed, God didn't let me die. A big time of change for me occoured around easter of last year and continued onto summermad and streetreach. And I really felt God and came back to him. I believe that he let me go through that rough patch because he knows that plans that he had for me in the future and how I can use my experiance to his glory.

Yes I believe that suiside is wrong but I don't want to be judged becuase of my mistakes and I feel that as Christians we can be too quick to look down upon and judge people who have tried it or are thinking about trying it.

Some of the most important things that I have lernt through my experiance are that
1 I have a God who loves me and is looking out for me.
2 that if I am feeling low and someone says "how are you?" you don't have to give the typical Northern Irish answer of "I'm ok, or I'm fine" as it is sooo important to talk about problems.

I would urge anyone reading this if they ever have any problems to confide in a close friend, (or, if you would prefere, leave your contact details and I would be happy to have a chat sometimes its easier to talk to someone who you don't know, in my experiance anyway) or even Jesus. After all he is a "wonderfull councilor" and one who won't judge us. As christians it is important that we follow his example.

Sorry if that was rather random but I felt like I had to share it in the hope that it will prevent someone from going through what I went through.
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guest.. yes i have got that low,quite a few times, i have the marks and scars that will always stay with me and the thoughts i had, they'll never go away. i know at the time, at that moment everything seems so bad, everything seems permanent, but in a split second you could end not only the bad, but the possibility of all that is good, even though at the time you would not see it.

the only reason why i did not finish the job was because i could hear my mom in the kitchen and my thought was "she's going to find me. she's going to have to clean this all up." then came the question of "why?" a small decision that takes two seconds like "oh im feeling hungry.. what will i eat.. oh i know.. toast" was the same amount of time and reasoning i was giving to a feeling i had, for a few weeks (so time is different in that respect) but what i wanted to do with that pain only took me a second to decide yet had eternal consequences.

i know we can get as down as down can be, sometimes we even dig a little further, but the only way is up from being so low.

i agree totally with your two points "1 I have a God who loves me and is looking out for me.
2 that if I am feeling low and someone says "how are you?" you don't have to give the typical Northern Irish answer of "I'm ok, or I'm fine" as it is sooo important to talk about problems. "

we cannot judge, as i said in the last post i made, alot of us havent been in situations that we are talking about, and unfortunately some who have are not with us to tell us about them.

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Alibi I do know what it feels lik to have a loved one on life support machine and when you sitting beside her bed holding her hand and the doctor comes in and asks your dad to come to his office and asks your dad if they can switch off the machine. I never thought that day that it would have been the last time I held her hand!!!it hurts so much!! When my aunt and uncle and my granda arrived they came to a decision that they should but I was sooo determined to keep it on I was hoping for the chance for her to be better but that wasn't God's plan!!For months and months I cried non-stop and I kept asking God the question why she had to die??My dad told me that it was just the way God had planned it. My granny died on 14th July 2000 and my granda died on 14th July 1990. I never got to know my granda but I can't wait to get to know him and to see my granny in Heaven!
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alibi you said "a small decision that takes two seconds like "oh im feeling hungry.. what will i eat.. oh i know.. toast" was the same amount of time and reasoning i was giving to a feeling i had, for a few weeks (so time is different in that respect) but what i wanted to do with that pain only took me a second to decide yet had eternal consequences."

I can't say that I agree with you on this one. some people think long and hard about both the pos and neg effects that it will have. Suiside isn't a split second decision, its something you consider and plan for quite a while before hand. Yes the process can end quicker if your situation gets worse but usually it is thought about before hand.

And if we do choose to end "the bad" normally we can't see "the good" on the other side.

My streetreach leader explained it to me like this "if you are on top of the mountain you can see everything for miles around, the highs and the lows. However if you are in the valley all that you can see is the valley that you are in and the mud that you are stuck in.

Another important thing that he said was that once the devil finds out what our weakness is, he is going to keep targeting us in this area because he knows that it will be one of the most effective ways of "taking out" one of Gods children
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aha.. see suicide can be a split second decision though! when you are approached with the opportuniy sometimes you just go and grab it.. like i nearly did once.. the other time was contemplated... so it can be either or! so i disagree.. from personal experience.. sometimes it is not contemplated.. sometimes you just see it and think "do you know something.. that would be my best option"

sometimes its not seeing the good that we have to reach.. its realising that even though we cant see it, its there. it has to be. if it wasnt we wouldnt get up in the mornings!
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and ruthy sorry i missed your post! i look forward to the same! my granda passed away about ooh.. oct 1994.. what does that make it.. 12 and a bit years ago.. and i never knew him. i wish i did but i was too young to hear those stories about what he did in the war.. i wish i could have though.

makes you think though.. and this is general as the last thing i want to do is discuss people's own personal experiences, its a terrible loss and a terrible thing to go through. my dad went through the same kind of situation with my gran this time last year but please bear with me!

if we stick dogmatically to "euthanasia is wrong" then surely that applies to turning off life support? we choose to let that person pass away, yet we could do all possible in the world to keep them alive in a hope they regain consciousness. we in essence choose when that person leaves us.. surely if we stick [b]dogmatically[/b] to that opinion that it is wrong then that is wrong also? or do we pick and choose?
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i ubderstand ur point that there are times wen it seems to us that it would jus be better to let a loved one go, esp. if they are a CHristian and we knoe they are gointo a place were there pain will be removed....but its not that simple. A close family member was very low, doctors called for the family etc. and it wud probably only be a matter of time, but i will tell u twice this relative has pulled thru such times (much to the doctors surprise mite i add) and yes i thought y not jus euthanise....but i think God has brought them through those times for a purpose. I dnt no wat, as yet, but im certain it will all be revealed in the process of time. So herein lies the problem, how do we no for definate God is not goin to work a mircale in someones life and help them pull thru. It is a very difficlult one since this issue treads the already bluury line of God's ultimate plan and omniescience(sp) and man's free will.

Also in placew where euthanasia is freely practice (i think its holland??) but old people are now afaraid to go to the doctor for the fear that the doctor will recomend euthanasia. The problme is where do we draw the line????
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i guess where we usually should.. each to their own! give someone as many [b]good [/b] options as you can and do whatever you can for them.. but after that it really is up to them!
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With all that stuff going on in Craigavon Senior High, i want to bring this thread back up and can i ask you all to pray for all the people involved that God can help turn their lives around and for their families that God will give them strength and for the people who are brainwashing the young people that God may influence them to stop what they are doing.
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