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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 15 2007, 09:19 AM (402 Views) | |
| Rachel +-- | Sep 15 2007, 09:19 AM Post #1 |
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This week we're going to be hearing about the important role of the church in our walk with God. Why do you think it's so important to attend/belong to a church? |
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| J.A.C.C. | Sep 15 2007, 10:15 PM Post #2 |
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my minister said "church is like food - without it we become malnourished". heres a great piece of writing by C.S Lewis that i heard in the sermon too. Its about a senior demon instructing a lesser demon. "Blessed are those who are too tired, too busy, too distracted to spend an hour once a week with their fellow Christians -- they are my best workers. Blessed are those Christians who wait to be asked and expect to be thanked -- I can use them. Blessed are the touchy who stop going to Church -- they are my missionaries. Blessed are the trouble makers -- they shall be called my children. Blessed are the complainers -- I'm all ears to them. Blessed are those who are bored with the pastor's mannerisms and mistakes -- for they get nothing out of his sermons. Blessed is the Church member who expects to be invited to his own Church -- for he is a part of the problem instead of the solution. Blessed are those who gossip -- for they shall cause strife and divisions that please me. Blessed are those who are easily offended -- for they will soon get angry and quit. Blessed are those who do not give their offering to carry on God's work -- for they are my helpers. Blessed is he who professes to love God but hates his brother and sister -- for he shall be with me forever. Blessed are you who, when you read this think it is about other people and not yourself -- I've got you too! " |
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| (: Nomi :) | Sep 18 2007, 06:41 PM Post #3 |
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yea its important for spiritual food and to help us stay strong as a christian. going to church provides time for fellowship with other christians. |
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| Doctrinal Guest | Sep 20 2007, 02:13 AM Post #4 |
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On the contrary my dear christian brothers and sisters... you see quite simply the Church is an out of date traditionised and is void of truth in regard to several doctrinal truths such as our proper response to the question of Wealth etc. The church is in a static state and is gradually becoming a stagnant function of society. You see Bart Campolo stated it best when he said 'The Church will kill you' spiritually. I firmly believe Satan engages in his most successful work in a Church. He intervenes in doctrinal disputes and encourages upheaval. |
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| Naomi | Sep 20 2007, 05:08 PM Post #5 |
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Guest have you got a better idea of where we should go to meat other Christians and to learn the truths that we are taught in Church? I'm not saying that churches are perfect - because they arent - and yes satan probibly rubs his hands with glee when he hears us arguing or slating the minister etc. But we need to stay strong and pray that God will be the thing holding our church together because like it or lump it if God is there (which he is) satan doesnt stand a chance!! And what is the proper response to the question of wealth?? there simply isnt one simple ans to dat qu!! Lastly I would say this God ordained our ministers and God doesnt do anything 'for the craic' so there is obviously a purpose behind us going to church to listen to what the minister says. We need the church (the people not the building) I believe that this is the way that God ment it to be. p.s. I cant agree with you or bart with 'The Church will kill you' spiritually statement because it simply isnt true. I was at sm and cant say that I was too impressed with how bart put things. I found that his meaning was generally biblical but the way he put things wasn't. (hope that makes sense let me know if it doesn't!) |
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| GOD IS LOVE | Sep 20 2007, 05:28 PM Post #6 |
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Hey, I agree Church is so important to meet up with others, although im finding im not getting what i want out of Church presently but no Church is perfect! If there was a perfect Church and we went it wouldn't be perfect anymore! Church helps u to worship with brothers and sisters in Christ! If Church wasn't important the Church would never have been started! |
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| Naomi | Sep 20 2007, 05:42 PM Post #7 |
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Totally agree with you on that God is love |
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| J.A.C.C. | Sep 20 2007, 09:10 PM Post #8 |
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yea agree there - 1 other point. since the beginning of the church 2000 yrs ago, pple have always said that it was evil and outdated but it is as relevant 2 our lives as ever. there have always been problems in the church but takin all those problems in2 account any other organisation wud have collapsed long ago. also - the church may be divided in2 different sections like catholics, protestants and orthodox but they all put emphasis on different parts of Chritianity eg. take their symbols in2 account - catholics - Jesus dying on a cross saying Jesus died 4 us prtoestants - an empty cross saying Jesus has risen orthodox - erm im not sure on their symbol but they do concentrate on God's awsome power and majesty. God is just 2 big to comprehend.that might b a bit hard 2 read but God wud not let his own church fall in2 an empty shell. |
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| Doctrinal Guest | Sep 20 2007, 10:39 PM Post #9 |
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Are you all ignorant when it comes to scripture? Was Job allowed to come to ruin? Yes he was. Were the churches in Ephesus etc kept alive because God kept them that way? Ignorance is bliss one would suppose but this is inexcusable. You see the Church in essence has nothing to do with God. Why you ask? Because somewhere in history tradition killed that link and God has cast away his support for the western Church. How can you explain the rise in the churches in Africa and Asia? There is but one answer - they are doctrinal. In england there is a split on controversial issues such as Gay Marriage and who are the opposing sides? Thats right its Western Ministers v African Pastors. And who sticks to doctrine? Im sure you can work that one out yourself. |
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| J.A.C.C. | Sep 22 2007, 03:03 PM Post #10 |
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The church is always renewing itself eg. reformation - 2day - modernising like praise time and summer madness. how can u label every single western church just worhsipping tradition? it is not west pastors vs. african pators. where is the archbishop of york from? uganda. interestin analogy with job but i still dont think God wud let the whole church fall in2 ruin. yes, those african pastors really do get it right but not every single western church is false! remember the racist churches in mississippi - i heard of some of the worst churches becomin some of the strongest black, evangelical churches - talk about irony! yes, these splits r annoying - i am not denying that some churches do get quite carried away but come on, at ur church - (if u go 2 church) wot do they base the service on? not pomp and circumstance but the Bible!! i hope ur not implying that what is taught in every single western church is evil or misleading when they r based on the Bible? |
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| Doctrinal Guest | Sep 23 2007, 04:22 PM Post #11 |
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J.A.C.C i admire your determination to protect the western church but the fact is that it is Biblical that the church shall fall to ruin! It is not my opinion strictly but Biblical! We live in the end times! |
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| J.A.C.C. | Sep 23 2007, 05:14 PM Post #12 |
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yay, finally i agree! u r right
in my Bible reading aids ive been studying revelation and boy it is scary - it gives the exact number of believers at the end of the world (i think it was 12, 000)etc. (its not a very pretty picture).btw i wudnt have went on the defensive as much in my last comment if i had read ur more recent comments - sry! :rolleyes: |
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| beky777 | Sep 24 2007, 09:09 PM Post #13 |
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i entirely see where u are coming from doctrinal guest. It is true that on the whole the western church has become stale, there is no spirit in the meetings and in the people. People tell me when was the last time u attended the prayer meeting? It has been said that the prayer meeting is the temperature gage of the church. Further, when was the lsat time u truely felt God's Holy Spirit come upon the meeting?? When was the last time u heard of someone coming to the foot of the cross, and having there sins, forgiven, by the Precious Blood??? I heard this verse spoken on recently and it certainly applies.
Basically this highlights the fact that we, God's people are to blame for the problems. God promises to "heal our land" but there are conditions. We must humble ourselves, we must pray and we must turn from our wicked ways. However i do not agree that becus of such probelms we ignore God's Word which clearly directs us to the place of public worship together.
Clearly we are called to meet together to listen to the word and further understand God's Word. Church is spiritual nourishment, for their we are fed(or at least should be) by the Word of God. Also, i would agree that many Western churches have seriously got their doctrines mixed up, and are far from God's word, i would even go so far as to say that there are even ministers who are not saved, preaching Sunday after Sunday. |
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| Blast radius | Nov 3 2007, 07:25 PM Post #14 |
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at what point do we differentiate between the church as the "club or society" that some "sunday christians" go to, and the curch as the people? my church is part of prime example of the changes going on now. everyone heard of ballynahinch? yes? good! i love ballynahinch. nice wee roundabout country town that you have to go through to get to newcastle. for years now our church, 1st ballynahinch pres., an the baptist, and the methodist an the congregational, an edengrove (the other pres.) an the chapel have been working together, trying to break the bonds of RELIGION! we are trying to share God. we dont tell people we are christian, no, too many bad connotations connected. no, we are followers of Jesus. we tell people about Jesus. some of the older people in our church have left, no, that;s not fair, just some of the poeple in our church have left. they dont like it anymore, we'r not religious, we'r there for God!i wish they could but see it! we are typically presbyterian, female minister, one of the finest ministers i'v ever heard preach, it need not feel powerful to be radically important! we sing more than just hymns, contempory is worship too, we can put pur hands in the air if we wish. there are gifted prayer healers, those who are prophetic, teachers, an our youth! i'v recently become involved with our youth, taking a cell group. these kids, 3rd year, amaze me! they are prophetic, get words from God, communicate and are wise beond their years, there's so much i'm learning from them. sounds typical of the presbyterian church in ireland doesnt it? we'v now got a young adults thing going on a sunday night. it's awsome. we'r learning together as a community of faith. and i know what we are in for on this ride, God wants us, an he's not lettin us get off this ! an back to ballynahinch, have you heard of it? 6 churches in a mile radius. 6! an yet we are the SUICIDE CAPITAL OF EURPOE!!!! it would make you cry. mostly young males, but not exclusivly so. but how wrong is that? young people feeling there's nothing else to live for! noone there to love them, no reason to survive! has anyone told them? that Jesus loves them? you know they probably have. an it's a sad fact! as soon as we, individually and as a church, take our eye of the ball, as soon as we stop relying fully on God, entirely on God, Satan is in there immediatly! spanner in the works idea. there's things happening in ballynahinch now that the devil dont want to happen! it'll take away his stranglehold. i believe that's why there's so many "bad things" occuring. what a contrast! but it will get better! as long as the church relies on God, the church as a people. not every western minister gets it wrong, not every african pastor gets it right. where thers's faith in God, He'll be there! how awsome is he? how awsome! folks i'm shattered now. that actually has taken all my energy. please take note, we are living in front line battle always. keep that shield of faith close to your side, an the sword of the spirit in your hand, an while you'r at it, get the rest of the armour on cause the devil will wait for no man. he's out to take us down! we'r Gonna win! if God is with us, who may stand against us? God bless! |
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| huggy | Nov 4 2007, 05:14 PM Post #15 |
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help yourself to my msn, it'll be nice talkin to new people
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hmmm... i see everyone seems to dislike the Church... and I can't really see why, surely its purpose is to learn more about God, and within the sermon, i would have to say i do learn more about God. I know this is in simple terms, but i'm not sure how necessary 'church' is.... and in the church on a Sunday, because God says that where one or more people gather in his name, he is also there... i hope that doesnt offend anyone... but sometimes you have to step back and stop criticizing things that mabey arn't perfect. I just can't understand what is soo wrong with the church, as in what it teaches you. And Blast you are right, with God we are unstoppable. Wooooooooooooooop
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