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Death Penalty; views?
Topic Started: Sep 30 2007, 10:18 PM (203 Views)
alibi
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ok does any one else think the death penalty is the most disgusting form of punishment and should be abolished? i definately do! to think it is still being used makes me feel sick and so angry!!
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lol and yet Death has been used as a form of punishment by God himself?
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alibi
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chosen by God for man... but surely man choosing death for another is not right? and what if the person chosen is actually innocent? why kill an innocent simply because someone got the facts wrong? do we have the knowledge and justification to play god?
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What if the person was a real threat e.g. Sadam Husane?? Prisions aren't exactly the most secure places in the world e.g. Ian Huntly is on has been placed on suiside watch but was still able to try to end it all twice. Sudan had alot of supporters and if he had have been in prison long enough then someone would have tried to get him out and if he did get out and got back to his home country think of the number of people that he could have killed - so it is possible to argue that by killing him they were saving lives.

Its a tough one a couple of years ago I would have said no way to the death penalty and that it was really wrong after all in the Bible it says "there is a time to be born and a time to die" and that God would be the Judge of All. However in the Torah (I think it is Liviticus but not sure) there is a punishment in place if you kill someone - and that punishment is death!! So i'm not 100% sure about this one!

You could also take it down the Human rights route - everyone has a right to live.
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hmmm... hussein is an interesting one though.. even though he killed thousands he appeared to die as a martyr for his cause, probably causing more retaliation attacks as some people blamed the US for his death. plus.. what is better to make him into a 'martyr' or make him live in an 8 x 6ft jail cell, taking away all the luxeries, all the big flash possesions he once had, so he could look around him every day and ponder what went wrong.

hmm... im sometimes quite unsure when to follow the new testament completely as some parts are edited in the new testament.. but anyhoo...

its just such a permanent end... and you do have to wonder what about the innocents killed on death row, the juvenilles who were killed... what about them! i just ccant find a way to justify it in my head
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Did David kill his enemies? Yes and yet he was praised for it. However on the SOM Jesus pronounced that we should love our enemies.

Hmm seems this one is actually a debate alibi.
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alibi
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anything not written in stone, open for interpretation and applicable to life is always open for a debate.. its how we can broaden our minds and understanding or we would be neanderthals.

so do we have the right to execute someone if told by God, or is it more a social thing that we believe honor or punishment can be aligned with death? or does anyone really have the right to kill? i dont think we do
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Its not that we have the right - but sometimes we just have to do it we don't have to like doing it but we have to.

Alibi you talked about Husain being a martyr I don't think that you could go as far as that the terrerists in Irque would be targeting the foreign troops weather he was alive or not. And if they didn't kill him there was a strong possibility that his people would be able to get him out and that would equal world war three.

Also you were talking about the innocents that would be killed...I think that it would be worse for an innocent to be stuck in a 6 by 8 cell for the remainder af their days rather than to die.

Also how would you feel if a murderer killed all of your family in cold blood?? Would you want them just to be put in jail (you have to remember that YOU are paying for all their meals, T.V, clothes etc through taxes). Also in our provence the prisons aren't big enough to hold all of the people so what do we do let murders back out onto the streets after 15 years (instead of 25) so that they can strike again??
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so even if its wrong we still have to do it coz we have to!

when he was executed his daughter said in a statement as she rallied people around her : "God bless you, and I thank you for honoring Saddam, the martyr" his execution meant that the baath said they would never take part in any prospective negotiations with U.S. and Iraqi officials to reduce the violence in Iraq and encouraging revenge on the streets. but the death penalty is their laws and their ways... and in extreme cases it does appear to be the only option.. but not in all cases!

you think taking an innocents mans life would be better than giving him the chance to appeal, taking away his family, taking away his life, taking away all chance he has fairer than dying without the chance to clear his name?

i know what it is like to lose someone in cold blood, my family have suffered that. the man is up for parole and it makes me sick, i cannot believe he could ever be allowed back on the streets again after what he did but i do not want his blood on my hands. what he did to my family was bad enough but to do the same to his is unjust.

our prisons are censored! for want of a better word! so is our whole justice system. being in prison should mean you live by the necessities, you are not given degrees and coushy jail cells.. that you are there solely to live and that is all.
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hmmmm interesting.....

I used to think yea death penalty for crimes against children etc. the things dat reali annoy us!!

bt i actually dnt kno now....

The Levitical states that if u kill u are to be killed as punishment. But then we are not under the law...due to Jesus' sacrifice, and the Levitivcal law largely pointed to the fact that we cant keep all laws cus we are born with sin (all men are deprived from birth)

Ecclesiasties, says to evrything there is a time, God's appointed times for life and death, so we then have no right to take life, it is God's ultimate purpose...but then does God foeknow the time of death, with the foreknowledge that we are to use capital punishment....????

Should we use capital punishment, giving no opportunity for forgiveness, even thou the N.T is entirley about forgiveness...but then it is not us to forgives sins!

I really dnt actually kno!!! further study on this is needed. Its confusing...


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Alibi your points about how something can be debated is fatally flawed. Nothing is written in stone! If we use your logic everything can be debated and as for this topic you are not looking at both sides, a key skill for any debater.
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you seem to want to hit home "im not open for debate" if you read some of my posts there.. the last one possibly you will see i said "and in extreme cases it does appear to be the only option.. but not in all cases!" therefore i think that shows im open for debate! my word.. :rolleyes: i love debating.. absolutely love it, simply because i like to challenge some things!
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ok here are some reasons for the death penalty..... one: is that most people act on revenge.. and this means they believe it is a fair thing to do.. an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth
but as everyone know.. in the end everyone will be eyeless and toothless... quite pointless
and two: is that it saves money... as it was said earlier, for large crimals they would have followers who would try and help them escape.. however if the government wanted they could actually stop them escaping.. but that would cost an extreme amount of money... money that governments dont have to 'waste' on prisons

and if you cant afford good enough prisons is it worth the risk, that if they get out the may kill more innocent people.. and then try and act on revenge and cause more deaths...

as i see it, it is a political fnancial decision.. but i totally agree that it is sick and should not be done

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lmao!! :lol: huggy i love your posts!! "n the end everyone will be eyeless and toothless" :D heehee!
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thank you! :D im loving these forums :)

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