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Christmas!!
Topic Started: Nov 3 2007, 09:35 PM (292 Views)
Naomi
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Ok Just because I love Christmas and its 53 days away!!!

Is Christmas too secular??

Is everyone too consumed with buying perfect prezzies, sending cards, putting up decors etc, do people actually stop to think about what actually happened??

And what about how history has had it sugar coated??

Your thoughts??
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yes. i agree. the questions answer themselves, but it is true, how's belfast's "winterfest" for multi-denominationalism strike you?
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I like presents :D :D Sorry abit distracted sicne my short post but my two lizards say hi!!
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eh... hi BC's lizards.... how do you's feel about christmas???
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yeah it is too over commercialized and i don't mind it being calling winter fest only seems fair but people definatly pay too much attention to the presents and not enough on the meaning
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is a time for celebration not commercalisation, lisburn had it's christmas lights up in october, an the shops had halloween stuff in in august... the fact is that commercialism has gone nuts, people are buying, buying, buying, an despite the interest rate hikes, continue to do so! we'v gone purchace mad and this is being relished by the govenrment, they are rakin in the vat! i read today that by 2012 the young graduates will be loosing up to 49% of their wage in pension an tax! that's mad!!!
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Apart from all the commercialism around the festive season, the government (whom you all know I love lol :angry: ) are now planning to get rid of Christmas celebrations completely in order to make way for other religious festivals at this time of year! I don't particularly have a problem with having a multi-cultural society or immigration, but when the native people of this country are having their rights and traditions removed in order to keep immigrants happy it's getting out of hand! All the British government seem to be able to do is appease foreign nations and cultures in order to protect themselves - look at the second world war...Chamberlain and Hitler - didn't work! They're particularly afraid of islamic fundamentalists...don't they know that anyone is capable of such things!!! Not to totally veer from the topic (lol :rolleyes: ) but if people want to come and live in this country they need to respect our traditions and beliefs. We need tighter restrictions on immigration. And to think Gordon Brown was the son of a minister... new Labour's done terrible things to this country!
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i think everyone's on the same wavelength here, that it is far too commercialised... (omw my English haunts me!) but as long as we all know what the true meaning of Christmas is... we is grand... lol

oo oo and immagration :angry: omw... someone need to get there act together, immagrants are going to run this country soon enough... man.... i might start a topic entitled 'What the government has done wrong?' ... althought to make a far shorter topic i suppose i should right 'What has the goverment done right?', then again i would like a reply :P lol :D ... mite just make another topic... see what everyone thinks (and i know the government have done somethings right=])
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the British gov....now theres a topic!

Basically i luvs Christmas bt its been totally turned on its head!!! I have no problem with other religions celebrating there beliefs but, this is essentially a Christian country and they cant expect to get the rules and laws and holiddays chaged for their purpose! If u go to an Islamic country, mention the word Christmas and see wat happens to ya. The gov has to draw the line sumwhere!!! Eithere we continue to be a Christian country or we become entirely secualr becus at the moment its a weird mix of the too....and so we get craziness like Winter and Spring holidays but yet we still have a monarch who is choosen by God. The Church of England still plays its role in things but we aint allowed to talk about the Christmas lights its the Winter lights now! It dosent add up! hmmm this gets me thinkin for a new topic!
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i agree!!! and all this stuff about peoples rights is really stupid...
example: gays are allowed to adopt, this includes adoptong from church orphanage which obviously would not accept that because they are against gays, BUT the government stepped in and said that if they did not let the gay coupple adobt the child they would be sued. Now unless i am mistaken that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: grrrrr!!!! unfortuanately im not sure of all the details.. but that was the general idea of it.... now in a Christian country... that is stupid... so the government does need to chose!!!
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Don't understand if that was an extremely Anti-government or Anti-homosexuality post O_O
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love the person, hate the sin! simple as that, you mightnt like the idea, but we are called to love. it is easy to love the lovable! the church has had it's wings clipped in the last 40 years, now it's time for another reformation! follow God, down to the last word! yeah!!!! B) :D :P
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here here to blast radius! :D i agree! christmas has gone insane... its not about that one day, being with family and friends and the real reason that Christ was born.... its become this whole 2 month slog of tackiness! i love pressies and the carols, the music and the decorations but just not yet!! leave it til a couple of weeks before!... although maybe dont leave the shopping that late or youll get killed with women on a mission and shopping bags armed!

although all this PC crap is totally cobblers!!! what the hell is winter fest?! this is our country, a prodominently (SP!!) christian one... why should we have to change our ways to appease someone else who has just come here!!! it is not offensive!!!! arghhh!! makes me mad!! so does the housing crisis, the immigrant crisis, the health crisis, the crime rates, the total incompetence of the judicial system and those money hungry, power mad, selfish, unthinking, childish hypocrites that we have in government!! i'm tired of it!! :unsure: *breathes* rant over! :)
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oh you know the "Hate the sin not the sinner" thing yeah i always believed that but i am finding it difficult when the blooming sinner steals my wallet in work with my bus pass and debit crad and keys and EVERYTHING GRRRR TO THEM GRRR and i am sick too which sucks, bad week -_-
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Aww hope you get better soon, and get your wallet back BC.

A couple of years ago around christmas there was a family and like most other families here they celebrated christmas. However the neighbours accross the road did not. The neighbours complained to the council that they had 'offencive symbols' up in their house and the family were forced to take the christmas decors down. The height of madness!! It really riles me cuz if we are in foreign countries and to go into a town you have to wear trousers and a long sleved t shirt - then that is what you do, you dont complain that they are being offencive and not allowing you to dress how you want cuz if you did you would be arrested!! I feel that as a nation our government is trying to hard to please everyone else and is forgetting about the needs of its own people.

Also our country is viewed as 'christian' for now - but now much longer. One of the queens many tiitles is protector of the Faith - ie christianity - however when she dies/steeps down and charles comes in his title will be Protector Of The faiths!!
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