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| Marriage, Love, Etc.... | |
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| huggy | Jan 21 2008, 08:30 PM Post #1 |
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sooo..... onto some more of my random thinklings... i was wondering about marriage and love... Questions!!!... should not Christians get married points: (ooo im being very structured today :o) lol 1) true love can only be found THROUGH GOD, therefore only Christians can experience true love........ so if people don't truely love one another why should they get married 2) getting married is AN EXTREMELY CHRISTIAN seremony(omw i don't know how to spell that word.. AB in eng gcse wooot) sooo... why should non-Christians be allowed to get married, i could quote all the marriage vows etc... but im too lazy etc(my bad =/) just people opinions... tbh im not too bothered about this(bov'd) - now only my sister would get that joke... =] unless anyone watched newround today... and payed particular attention to something was said.... then be slightly extravagant(another spelling mystery to me) oo the joys]]]] soo any ways... just seeing peoples view... im kinda wondering is this c/seremony losing its Christian value, and now is it just a tradition that people continue on(and then stuff about right etc) =] |
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| J.A.C.C. | Jan 21 2008, 09:42 PM Post #2 |
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hmm, in my opinion, i think that the Christian wedding CCCCCeremony
should b open 2 non-Christians because it is either that or civil partnerships and they lead to family breakdown since they have less dedication. also i suppose it could be another form of outreach to non-believers.True love? thats an intristin 1. i wonder if we shud love our partners as much as we love God - i dont think so anyway. |
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| Naomi | Jan 22 2008, 06:12 PM Post #3 |
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We should love God more than we love our partners, he should be our no 1, that can be tough but thats the way that it has to be. I think that it is grand for non-christians to get married , look at how many of them live really happily together, and its better that they get married than live together etc. Also God doesn't just bless 'christian' marriages he blesses nonchristian ones too!! Soz not xactly sure how to put this, but if u dont understand just shout!! A wedding is actually a state seremony, not necessarily a christian one. In many cases now a minister can't officially marry a couple, someone form the registry (sp??) office has to be there. I love going to weddings, but maybe thats just the female in me!!! OK, don't shoot me for this but on the topic of Love etc what are everyones thoughts on sex before marriage and people living together etc?? |
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| J.A.C.C. | Jan 22 2008, 06:54 PM Post #4 |
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some ministers cant actually officially marry??!!!
that is unbelievable.right, im not going to be moderate here. sex before marriage (if at all) is plain stupid and so is living 2gether if you arent married - that often leads 2 unnecessary sex bla bla bla and guess what? mother has baby accidently and man leaves her. as far as i know the Bible does not permit it. anyway on a lighter note i like weddings 2 - plenty of cake
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| Rachel +-- | Jan 23 2008, 06:24 PM Post #5 |
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I don't know if any of you have seen the Rob Bell NOOMA dvd on love (it's called 'Flame') - really good btw! Basically there are 3 elements of what real love is between a man and a woman - like in Greek there are several words for the different forms of love in the Hebrew language - hava, ahava, and, em, something else ! Basically no relationship can survive unless these three elements are all present - love in true friendship, loyalty and THEN passionate love. The reason why most relationships fail is because one of these is missing - e.g. an older couple can lose the passionate side of love and still have loyalty and companionship - if a couple don't have this then it can lead to affairs where the person searches for this with another person, but doesn't have the other 2 elements of love and it too fails, which can lead to repeated infidelity.I don't think even Christian relationships are necessarily 'true love' - the only true love we'll ever know is God's love for us, but as Christians we should have God at the centre of our relationships. Oh yeah, in relation to what you said Naomi, I was reading recently in Romans about how, if say one partner in a marriage is a Christian, then God blesses it! |
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| huggy | Jan 28 2008, 09:55 PM Post #6 |
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thanks guys for the replies... would just like to say.. we should truely love people.. if i am not mistaken... and only through God can we achieve this... that is what i meant by 'true love' and i hope i didn't sound like i said that we should love anyone as much as we love God... (would just like to add... i would hazzard a guess that i have been to the most wedding not that it matters :P)=] |
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| alibi | Jan 29 2008, 09:47 AM Post #7 |
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it depends on your thoughts i guess.. some people who love God want to get married and have it blessed by Him in the church, while some just want the beauty of getting married in a church! in my wee opinion its between them and God! oh and wee point... and i made this before... if you are strong enough you can live with someone without having sex. ive done it and it does work! but again it depends on the person, if they're views are strong enough and they are not willing to compromise their beliefs then you can do it! at the minute it is extremely difficult to save up for a wedding while trying to save up for a house.. the prices, and situation with morgages doesnt make it easy. |
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| Guest | Jan 30 2008, 03:01 PM Post #8 |
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here I go again bringing in the 'weaker brother' argument. Personally I don't believe that living with a boy/girlfriend is right because it says in the bible that we shouldn't do something that would cause a weaker person to sin. In this case living with someone may cause someone who is a weaker christian/non christian to look at you an think if they are living together its OK for me to live with my partener, however that may involve them having sex before marrigae which is a sin. Also I feel that living with someone who you are dating would unneccearily put you in the way of temptation, and there is a verse in the bible that says something along the lines that you should not put yourself in a situation in which you could be tempted to sin!! Hope you don't see this as a personal attack alibi (sorry if you do ) but I felt that I had to share my views!!!! |
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| Rachel +-- | Jan 30 2008, 04:13 PM Post #9 |
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Have to admit I agree with you guest. I don't think it's necessarily a test of how strong a person is in resisting temptation - why risk so much by creating a situation where you are likely to be even more tempted... |
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| beky777 | Jan 30 2008, 07:01 PM Post #10 |
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i agree guest!! we are to flee sin, not try n get as close to it as we can...thats a pretty gd way to weigh things up. Also Willie McCrea (laugh not..!!) sang a song dat went sumthin along da lines of.... "sin will take you farther than u want to go, keep u longer than u want to stay and cost u more than u wnt to pay..." u get da drift! |
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| huggy | Jan 30 2008, 09:17 PM Post #11 |
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hmmm..... you are suggesting that if partners are living together that this is more likely to make them have sex..... i can see the reasons for that, but if you are an extremely strong Christian, then you wont become tempted... mm i dunno how to put myself like being partners has nothing to do with physical love.... its just the love you show one another... after getting married, then God allows a physical relationship because you have committed youselves to one another THROUGH GOD... also within a relationship you will know how string your partner is... so it is up to both of the people involved to decide wether they can live together without being tempted... i wouldn't agree with saying that because some weak Christians might fall to temptation that it is wrong for Christians partners to live together... so i would say its up to the people in the relatiohship to decide how they would cope together.. not that it is wrong altogether.. =] |
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| J.A.C.C. | Jan 30 2008, 11:12 PM Post #12 |
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if we all had faith that big that would be great but in reality do any of us? i think its impossible for us to be able to tell whether or not we would be able to avoid particular temptations. remember, people like King David and Solomon (the wisest man ever), who had great faith, got into serious trouble with God after having 1 too many 'dealings with women'. they thought they could control themselves but they couldnt - that lead to Solomon's and the whole of Israel's downfall. as 1st. thesselonians chp. 5 v 22 says : "avoid every kind of evil." |
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| alibi | Jan 31 2008, 12:46 PM Post #13 |
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no offence taken guest! each to their own but im just saying from my own personal experience that it can work! living proof! but thats coz my beliefs on this subject are quite strong so it worked for me. it might not work for others, therefore if you dont think you can do something, that you cant hold back or that temptation would be a big problem then dont do it!
simple as that! just my views, works for me, might not work for others but im happy with my choices, if i wasnt i wouldnt be making them.
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| Revive | Jan 31 2008, 07:23 PM Post #14 |
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It says in the bible that people should not be unequally yoked, somewhere in the new testament, so doesn't that prove they shouldn't marry etc? There was this analogy i read in a book once. If someone stood on a chair, with their "partner" beside them on the ground, it is usually easier for the one on the ground (non-christian) to pull the other down from the chair, than the christian pull the other up. Don't know if that helps, it just came into my head! It does also say in the bible that if one does marry etc. a non-christian, they should be submissive (wives) and show through their actions they love God. I think this was put in for the women, because they had no or very little choice as to who they married, as they tended to be only young teenagers, and had their marriages arranged for them, and they had to go through with it, whereas men could choose. Just musings in my mind, but i believe that God meant for christians should be with christians, or they could slip easier.
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| alibi | Feb 1 2008, 09:07 AM Post #15 |
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the analogy is good... but the person on top of the chair can still pull the other up..it may be difficult but it can happen! either that or the one on the chair can hold on and stay there til theyre ready to step down. i guess i believe that love does not choose what religion someone is... and i like it for that! you have a much bigger influence on someone the more they trust you and the more you can show them what God means to you. again just my thoughts! in this area i think people are very different and it is the one place where people feel extremely strongly about their own views!
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should b open 2 non-Christians because it is either that or civil partnerships and they lead to family breakdown since they have less dedication. also i suppose it could be another form of outreach to non-believers.
that is unbelievable.
! Basically no relationship can survive unless these three elements are all present - love in true friendship, loyalty and THEN passionate love. The reason why most relationships fail is because one of these is missing - e.g. an older couple can lose the passionate side of love and still have loyalty and companionship - if a couple don't have this then it can lead to affairs where the person searches for this with another person, but doesn't have the other 2 elements of love and it too fails, which can lead to repeated infidelity.
not that it matters :P)
2:53 PM Jul 11