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Marriage, Love, Etc....
Topic Started: Jan 21 2008, 08:30 PM (349 Views)
Naomi
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sorri guest is me, thought id signed in but obvously I hadnt!!!

Geting back to the whole living together thing, it doesnt matter how strong you feel you are, things can still spiral out of control, even if people have the best intentions at heart and a strong will it can still slip, so I feel that it is better not to put yourself in a position where you can slip. If you had a choice between walking on a path or walking over a frozen lake I know that I would choose the path!! (soz totally random abut thats me for you lols!!!)

The chair analogy is a good one because the person can only be pulled onto the chair if they want to be (or if they are extreemly light!!) whereas no matter how much the person on the chair wants to stay there they can quite easily find themselves on the ground!
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but what if you're going to give up a great oppotunity and know you wont slip?
and again back to the chair analogy.. is that not the whole point on being a Christian? to persuade people to get onto the chair, that there is a better way of living and doing things? ...ive said it before and il say it again... each to their own! :)
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ok... the chair analogy was good, but how about 2 Christians getting married (and i strongly believe if you are a Christian you cannot get married to a non Christian), then there are two chairs.. in which case there is no problem for both people to be on a chair...

also... if you faith is strong, and you believe in yourself then you can live with each other

i don't see why people are making such a big fuss of this, if you have a weak faith, and can't control yourself, don't live with your partner.. if you have a strong faith, and strong self control you can live with your partner...

sin is less likely to abide in a place in which two Christians are, its far harder to 'attack' if the two people are living together..

and it sounds like alot of you believe that it is not possible... but if Alibi can live with a partner and can control her actions, there is proof...

and i totally agree.. each to their own.. but i wouldn't say that its wrong.. which it sounds like alot of you are saying... (if your not im sorry.. and if you are im sorry too... bit of an attack there... =/)

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Huggy is what your saying not a bit like 'the closer you are to danger, the further you are from harm'????

I'm not saying that it cant work, but I am saying that if two people are living together it is more likely that they will be tempted.
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hmmm interesting debate goin on here which generally seems to be goin in the direction of its ok if ur a string enough Christian.

Strong Christian or not i feel it is incredible easy to fall. if ur an average Christian, happy to warm the pews sunday by sunday, Satna wnt realli bother with u, bt if ur going out for God then most certainly expect to be tested....bearing this in mind God will never send a trial too difficult.

Look at Peter, at the hieght of his walk declaring Jesus as Christ, then he denies HIm 3 times in the near future! This may sound a bit off beam bt the spirit will infact lead us to trials, in order to help strengthen us. Read first few verses of Luke 3/4 (cnt mind which) bt it basically says, Jesus was lead of the spirit to the wilderness where He was tempted. This trial came after a 'mountain top' experience. Christian life is the same, the mountain top is often followed by the valley, and i can say this is sooooooo true from personal experience.

....ive completely forgot what im tryin to say...
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ut if you are an extremely strong Christian, then you wont become tempted


oh yea i tink my point was that the above quote is not the case.


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and know you wont slip?


unfaortunately we cnt kno this...wud love to be certain lik this but we just cnt there no telling wat the Christian life will bring and with this attitude one cud become complacent and thus more suceptible to the devils attck. Again the mountain top is soo often follwed by the valley. (third day song mountain of God comes to mind..."even thou the journey's long....yet i must go thru the valley to stand upopn the mountain of God...")

nyways bk to the point at hand, im not saying living together cnt work bt its jus leaving ur self open for what others will say, it sets an example which maty damage a fellow Christian, and ur opening urself to unnecessary temptations.

its lik an alcoholic filling their house with alcohol, it makes no sense! They r incresing the temptation making the sin available to themselves. Christians althou they have the new nature and the spirit dwells within, the flesh still remains and the flesh is essentially a 'sin-a-holic@ it delights and desires to sin, and Christians must battle this thru the spirit daily!
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.. guys... why do we associate bad things when people live together? it seems like its drilled into your heads that if people live together there is the possibilty something might happen... why is this the case?

and being complacent.. i can trust God enough to look after me, no matter what happens... and i know my boundaries.

people are soo caught up in the fact that people are 'weak', well why can't we be strong.. why can't we control ourselves? yeas sin will always be there, but if you dwell with God all the time, when can you slip?... i want to put God in all aspects of my life.. and trust in him, and trustinghim to look after me, true trust means you rely on God for everything...

really i just don't think you can say its wrong...

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huggy you make some good points! :D and its true... why do we always associate the worst! just because someone isnt a christian doesnt mean they dont have similar values or wont respect what you want to do or not do, also sometimes and its a shame to say it but some non christians are sometimes nicer and have better values than some christians.

we seem to have this horrible judgement that oh no someone isnt a christian... that means theyre a really bad person and will have us doing terrible and horrible things.. and its so far from the case!

oooh another thing...one of the biggest strengths for me is Jesus, he went into the desert and knew he would be tested, he knew it would be rough and if He can do it I know He can help me through anything that tests me!

someone said about the closer you are to danger...

C.T. Studd: "Some wish to live within the sound of church or chapel bell; I want to run a rescue shop within a yard of hell." sometimes you have to be close to danger to be able to do anything sometimes.
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We associate it with the worst because the wosrst is generally what happens. And if we were to do what Huggy suggests and we were to dwell with God at all times we would need to become a monk/nun and they dont even get married!!!

As for the C.T. Studd quote that soesnt relate to what we are saying because h was already saved, therefore he couldnt go to hell!!! What he was meaning by that quote was that there are people who wish to live with in the sound of a church bell - these are people who are spending all of their time with other christians etc they are not going into the world as Jesus ment for us to. But the salvage yard a mile form hell is the people who are not afraid to go out amoung the generall population and live for God - our minister uses this quote all the time.
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the salvage yard is getting out of your comfort zone.. it can also meaning going into a pub to talk to people where they are, hanging round with non christians, homeless shelters, etc etc. plus we are talking about a christian and non christian so in that sense it does apply as we were talking about being a step away from danger!

and the association of non christians with the worst is a terrible thing to do. not all the bad things in the world happens with non.

look at bush.. he is a christian yet sent people to war
look at the crusades
look at that baptist church in america
look at all the bad things done to the glory of God... it is not non christians doing that.

look at the charity work done by non christians, the fundraising, the help given through medicine... how dare someone say that the worst is associated with non christians. out of a group of 4 girls im really good friends with 2 are christian, two are not.. the christians preached how you shouldnt have sex till youre married and 2 of the 4 have had sex outside marriage....


....the two christians, out of their own choice.
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lol..... guys God is omnipresent... so he is with you all the time... you just have to know that... and if you know and understand that.. you know he's going to help you at all times... at the salvage yard a mile from hell... or in the Church...

so no.. you doon't have to be a nun.. or munk... although they are more dedicated in spending their time with God.. and thus have a great knowledge of God...
but... i try at all times to be reminded by the presence of God.. throughout the school day.. class.. and at home... and im not just saying that...

=] remember.. don't get caught up in this.. =]
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good point huggy! God really is always with us, and whats the thingy... if God is with us who can be against us!
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Yeah, that is amazing. But I'm thinking more about this ...

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why do we always associate the worst!


I think it is generally bacause people should know better than to put themselves in the path of temptation. I heard once that sexual temptation is one of the strongest around, that affects nearly everyone. Many people have the idea of "We're in love it's OK" or "We are getting married, so it is OK"; but what happens if someone you trust, someone you really care about finds out, and you break their heart or hurt them?

If your partner really loves you, they should be able to wait for you, because you feel it is right, and love shouldn't pressure the other.

Just some musings ...don't even know if it makes a lot of sense, but, it is how I feel! :)
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very good points revive =]

but why do anything, because temptation lurks every corner... i do not fear the Devil, for i know God is with me.... why should i fear temptation... it is wrong to put yourself into a position of temptation.. but do not be scared of it, God is with you...

mmm don't know if im changing anything i've said.. or even responding to what you said there,, i just kinda said stuff hehe...

but you cannot say it is wrong... oo i gotta start a new topic... hehe
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its true if we were afraid of all temptation we wudnt go anywhere but i feel that we shudnt put oursleves in a position of unnecessary temptation. also, as well as not being scared of temptation we shud respect (if thats the right word) how dangerous and seducing it can be. i agree that sexual temptation is 1 of the strongest around.

again i go back to the analogy of solomon and david - both very strong in faith, wisdom, etc. yet they fell to the temptations of women. david repented, but solomon died worhipping idols.
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you gotta remember though that people are tempted in different ways too.. not everyone gets full on tempted by sex, others are tempted by drink drugs and rock and roll! lol! :D
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