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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 11 2008, 08:53 PM (305 Views) | |
| J.A.C.C. | Feb 11 2008, 08:53 PM Post #1 |
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so many churches now seem to be replacing organists with praise groups and this does inevitably cause rifts in many. i know this doesnt seem much of a topic but it seems to be causing unease at our church (very pro organist) as the subject is brought up. id like to know if praise groups are necessary nowadays for the Church's survival? |
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| alibi | Feb 12 2008, 09:30 AM Post #2 |
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as times move on church has to move too, to upbeat music full of life and passion! there is usually more involvement in praise if there are more instruments...no where in the Bible did it say praise has to be done by an organ!
personally i find the organ is a very bland, quite boring sombre instrument on its own.. but mix it with a piano, drums, a couple of flutes, a violin and anything else and the sound is quite incredible! praise is not supposed to be sombre and boring... its supposed to be lively!! so im all for praise groups, people joining together with their own instruments to praise God! just my wee view! |
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| Naomi | Feb 12 2008, 06:00 PM Post #3 |
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Totally agree with Alibi on this one! Our church uses worship groups it doesn't mean that the organ goes out the window, but it is used to add to all the other instruments. Also in the Bible people played all kinds of instruments in their praise to the lord eg lyra, trumpet, horn, harp etc etc!! |
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| J.A.C.C. | Feb 12 2008, 09:14 PM Post #4 |
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hmm, i suppose ur right. however, 1 thing i want to hear before i leave the academy is to hear mr brown play Bach's Tocatta in Fugue on the organ - now THAT is not bland! anyway, on a slightly unrelated point, does any1 now why Reforemd Presbyterians dont use instruments in church? |
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| Naomi | Feb 13 2008, 03:28 PM Post #5 |
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Umm not sure of the answer to that one but remember going to a reformed presbyterian wedding once and there not being any music - was really weard!! |
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| alibi | Feb 13 2008, 10:24 PM Post #6 |
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oh my word! but music is the expression of the soul!! how on earth could you have such an occasion without it?! i dont get it! so strange! |
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| Naomi | Feb 15 2008, 10:13 AM Post #7 |
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Yep it was really strange even when the bride came down the asile there was no music, this was the first wedding Id ever been too and was totally freeked out cuz it was totally strange - I was only about seven at the time but still freaked me out!! |
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| J.A.C.C. | Feb 15 2008, 07:31 PM Post #8 |
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huh u did better than me at my first wedding - i wet myself
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| Naomi | Feb 17 2008, 04:57 PM Post #9 |
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Oooh not good I'm hoping that you were pretty young when this happened!!!
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| beky777 | Feb 18 2008, 07:07 PM Post #10 |
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hmmmm....im gonna upset the grvy boat, (or wateva dat randm expression is...apple cart mayb???...) bt im an advocate of the organ and piano myself. I thinkits gives the entire service the reverence which is required, i often think that reverence seems to have been chucked out da window as the drums come in. This is an important part of worship, yes we are all keen to point out that God is a God of love, mercy, longsuffering, forgiveness...but we cannot ignore that God is a holy God, and a God of wrath, God demands reverence in Hs sight as far as im concerned. Modern worship (most not all ) is all about wat can i get out of this, or singing this song will make me feel even more excited n good bout myself etc etc.....We are totaly missing the point!!!! We are to decrease and Christ is to increse!!! im not saying this cannot be achievedd by introducing more instruments, i think a stringed quartet or sometin would snd amazin bt the ting is modern praise bands are often (again note the word often and not always) very wordly in character (ie it is dificult to distingusih them frm a simple band in the charts.) Also does the church need to change to fit with the times?? Absolutely not!!!! The word of God is eternal, the gospel is unchanging, Christ is unchanging, and Christs bride, the Church should be the same. The message should remain the same, and we do not need to turn churches into entertainement centres!!!!! certainly help the community etc etc, by why allow society to change the church wen essentially the Church shud be changing society...by evangelising!!!...those who are born again become "new creatures" (1 corinthinans) Of course we want many people in to hear the word bt if it means compromise as it often will, then it is not worth it....we need to remember that we can do nothing to save a person, it is entirely the working of the Holy Spirit!!! |
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| Naomi | Feb 18 2008, 08:56 PM Post #11 |
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But God has given people who play the drum a gift and they can use their gift in worship of him.
Modern worship is not about wat I can get out of it, this is people's attitudes not the worship!!! Also Im reading Acts atm all about the early church and when someone became a christian they sold their possessions and gave them to the church - this would just not be possible in todays society!!!! The Church has to change with the times because other wise noone would be attracted to it. Look at how much the chruch has changed over the years (its also important to note that God is behind these changes) In the early church people where speaking in tounges, healing etc reight left and center, that rarely happens any more but this is because it doesnt really need to happen. The message does remain the same - however the way it is put accross has changed. Im reading a book at the minute and it pointed out that people dont want to hear a sermon they want to see a sermon - not in the sense of watching a film etc - our lives are the sermmon that they will watch. Society has changed therefore the church doesn't have much choice not to change it would be like the essenes if the church didnt change it would become exclusive and withdrawn from society, and thats not what God ment for his chruch to be!!! |
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| jonny2shoes | Feb 18 2008, 09:33 PM Post #12 |
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I can say that from personal experience that playing in a band (me being the drummer) for my church (3 guitar 1 drumkit (a bit like SU) ) allows me to express through how I'm playing how I feel about him. I can sing (sort of) but I feel that it isn't my place to be a singer and I feel alot more comfortable playing the drums because thats where I feel that I can give my best to him (compared to my singing ).From watching from the front I can tell that an older songs don't tend to encourage people to give their all (wether that is in singing or playing an instrument), although there are some exceptions (which my brain refuses to remind me of their names) which I love to play to (and sing to too sometimes.). If you think about it, the older songs would have been 'contemporary' at that time. The trouble is that some churches have decided, 'O, that's a good one! Lets keep it)' This is ok but there is a time when we have to 'sing onto God a new song'. IMO 'tradition' is what is killing the church nowadays (as is the other end of the scale where churches are becoming loose but there isn't many that I've seen in NI), Personally I am beginning to dislike 'religion' this past while. My Uncle (junior pastor guy some ledgend at the Bible) has been going through Acts too! He's concentrating more on 'the decline of the church' and how it has moved severely away from what the church was like in Acts (uber interesting! Don't have enough time to talk about it in grave detail (homework to do). |
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| beky777 | Feb 18 2008, 09:39 PM Post #13 |
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exactly peoples attitudes are wrong, and this type of worship only and often times encourages this kind of human response rather than a spiritual response. A requirement of chrisitianity was not that one gave up all they had, it was a choice made by the new converts, and immediate evidence of grace in their lives...they didnt have to do this. In fact i thinnk it is more plausible in today's society to give up all u have than in Biblical times, thinnk of it, no possessions wat so ever. Society then wud have presumed that they had done sum terrible sin....so perhaps thats the problem at the crux of it all! the first converts had no church institution as we have, scoiety was not a s accepting, they didnt have the years of theological development, they didnt have the hymns and songs we have today, and yet they were more filled with the spirit than we are!!! in my particualr church background the accusation against us is that we dont have the Spirit in the meetings becuas we dont have a praise band....the earlt church needed no such physical devices as a means of havin a more spiritual experience, yet we want to b ring in as many attractions as possible, and bring in the 'famous' speakers, things which will draw a crowd, n we get all whipped up and excited, and think oh how mightly the spirit will bless cus this guy's speakin n e's soo passionate, yet the prayer meeting before hand is empty as is the mid week time of prayer. The first christians simply had prayer, baptism and breaking bread...n look how they thrived. We move the church wit society n we get no where!!! church attendance is declining at dramatic rates both in services with or without prasie bands, so i guess what im tryin to say is, at the end of the day, The Church, as a hole, forget denomiations, has got its attitudes or something anyway misplaced becus God is not blessing as He once did!! So where are we goin wwrong??? |
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| jonny2shoes | Feb 18 2008, 09:59 PM Post #14 |
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that's the one!
I'll try and explain what I mentioned later.. it's a bit complex but very interesting! |
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| alibi | Feb 19 2008, 05:46 PM Post #15 |
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im gonna rock the boat a little! first.. of course the church has to move with the times, youre trying to reach a totally different generation! im not talking about taking away from values or changing all the fundamentals of the Bible, why we're there and all... but there needs to be some updating in some churches otherwise the passion and the outreach dries up. second... an organ and a piano does not equal reverence..in alot of cases (not all!! ) it equals boredom, a dry and monotonous sound which does not inspire, motivate or encourage praise. what is wrong with using drums, guitars, triangles, violins... making a noise! shouting it from the roof tops! Psalm 150 1 Praise the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his mighty heavens. 2 Praise him for his acts of power; praise him for his surpassing greatness. 3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet, praise him with the harp and lyre, 4 praise him with tambourine and dancing, praise him with the strings and flute, 5 praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals. 6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD. that was not meant to be said quietly, slowly or eloquently! it was supposed to be shouted , in anticipation, excitement and joy! praise is praise, each person does it differently.. kinda like eating a creme egg.. each has their own way and their own style.. as long as its done in praise and love! |
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