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Praise Groups In Church - Necessary?
Topic Started: Feb 11 2008, 08:53 PM (306 Views)
beky777
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personal opinion, i dont find the oragn and piano monotonous or boring, i love the older hymns n the theological content! Bt its an arguement without resolve....i wanna look at the bigger picture!

Why do we need a change to things etc. why do we need the instit of the Church?? who ever decided that a sermon lsts the last half hour of the one hour service??? Alll this useless tradition, its getin in the way i think! Reforamtion was baout gettin back to basics, away from the pomp n tradition of Rome etc. n back to the Bible, in the Bible i find lengthy expoundings of the Gospel, baptisms, and a lot of prayer!!! Yet prayer meetings are essentially empty...n believ me im tlkn to myself here, but why???? we want to do the 'fun' 'exciting' part of worship, singin etc, bt switch of during the sermon, which is equally a part of worship. If we were askd a question of the Bible in the Street cud we give an adequate answer, do we study scripture as we shud??? again i ask wher are we in western society going wrong??? the church is not prospering clearly.

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'll try and explain what I mentioned later.. it's a bit complex but very interesting!


im interested to hear!!!!

bit of a lightbulb moment the question of the topic, "Praise groups in Church - necessary" then surely the answer is no...(n its not bout organs or guirtars etc.) surely all we need is Christ "Christ preeminant in all things." (umm philipians or colossians i think!)
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alibi
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theres always a conflict of opinions.. you like the organ.. i dont! i think the newer hymns have just as much theological content as the old, but theyre easier to understand as they use english like we do now!

do you not think if the sermon lasted hours and hours and hours people would switch off faster? we have the attention span of one hour, possibly less so its automatic that we struggle to concentrate with longer spells of teaching.

I do agree that if most of us were asked something on the street we wouldnt have a well backed up scripture reference, and i do believe we're losing sight of so much, especially some of our values as well as losing God from schools, that needs brought back.

anyhoo.. going to leave thoughts to another time.. tired and not thinking totally straight
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Again I agree with Alibi Im not a huge fan of the organ and just because something is old doesnt mean that it is any more reverant than insturments that we use today. If you think about it there are numerour occassions in the bible where it talks about drums (considering that a tambourines) Isaiah 30 v 32 'his people will celebrate with tambourines (ie drums) and harps'

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God is not blessing as He once did!!


God sooooo is blessing us, he is just not blessing us in the same way as he blessed thoses in the early church - because we dont need blesses in the same way.

It is felt that people today have an attention span of 15 minutes, it is also felt that people today work better with visual demonstrations ie dvds/videos etc.

As for people asking us in the street I feel that no we dont do enough bible study but I still feel that I would be confident in answering questions that anyone would have and if I didnt know the answer I would not have a problem in telling them that I didnt know but would find out for them.
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whorship is about the MEANING... and nothing else

not how well you can sing, not how well the instruments are played, not what instruments are played, but how much you mean what you are singing...

and this is an each to his own debate aswell...

primarily we were put on to this earth to worship and praise God, and God gave us talents accordingly... some play instruments.. some sing.. and some dance.. and some just enjoy relaxing in the sound of worship...

don't get caught up in the instruments, the sound of the music, or the ability of the people playing and singing... sing because you love God, and because you want him to know this!

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Naomi
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Amen Huggy
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jonny2shoes
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Alright, Here goes nothing:
*disclaimer*
If you find anything that I write offensive, don't look at it. Lest we begin to hate eachother over prejudices

No bible near so picking this out of my head, bear with me:

OK we all know that Jesus was crucified, kicked satans but something serious and then (insert bit you forgot about the interval between satans defeat and JC rising) he ascended.
So the deciples where standing there in amazement after JC rose. They where so shocked that he had to send an angel back down to snap tem out of it and remind them of what Jesus had just finished saying (that he will return in a while but will send the holy spirit in the meantime and that they should stay in Jerusalem to try and give the Jewish community another chance to turn and then they should go out and preach to the rest of the world (the gentiles, i.e. you and me)). After he finished reminding him, he cleared off too. So they decided to go back into the town and go to some guy's house for the very first ever prayer meeting (we don't know what house that is). Here they prayed flat-out for about 5-10 days, flat-out!! Then something class happened, the house they where in shaked really intensly (earthquakes symbolised Gods prescence in the OT) and there was a giant gust of wind which wooshed through the house. Then, a toungue of fire (i.e. a single flame flickering away). At this moment they all recieved the holy spirit and burst into speaking toungues...
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bit of a side story here:
I was reading up in ehh... Luke I think it was where jesus said himself that all sins will be forgiven (even blaspheming God and Jesus!) except the blaspheming (slagging/mocking etc. etc. etc.) of the holy spirit! Now this applies to everyone! May that be your worst enemy, yourself, your mother or your pastor! Thats why is is extremely dangerous to say that 'Speaking in toungues is of the devil' because that would be indeed blaspheming the holy spirit!
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Anyhoo, they became soo overwhelmed that they burst into the streets (this was in the middle of penticost! (LOADS of people there!!!). There where people there from all over and some of them started saying (for example), 'hey! He's speaking italian, how on earth did that poor fisherman learn that!?!'. Others recognised their own languages too and some of the tongues they where speaking wheren't recognised at all!
Naturally there was opposition, some said they where drunk.. but when Peter (I think) heard this he stood up on something (probably) and explained that it was only (insert early-morning time which you forgot here) in the morning and they couldn't have possibly have gotten drunk! And just there, on the spot, Peter did his first sermon! And something like 3000 people where saved and then baptised automatically in water
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Another side fact.
There are many denominations that have different forms of baptism, sprinkling, infant baptism etc. etc. but the way it is supposed to be done is a full body immersion as soon as a person becomes saved (because thats the way it was done in Acts, and that's the Bible). It symbolises the full immersion (filling/covering etc.) of the holy spirit, showing that you go down, under the water, die from your sin, and rise a new person.
Unfortunately some churches have moved away from this to other things, which is non-scriptural.
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So this all happened and the deciples then moved out into the rest of the world... the church developed and was going strong but then there started to form impurities. At that time Rome was the centre of the world (in a non-literal sense, just economically/politically... this is after the deciples have died out) the high-up guys in the world started to become greedy and power hungry and began to do it all for money and power and then started the Decline of the church.
Then a guy called Martin Luther King came about and nailed to the door of some important place (you's know the story) A list of ten things that explain what it means to be a christian. That it is not by works and deeds alone that get you into heaven, but by turning from your sin and following JC as your saviour!
Then came more opposition and Martin had some guys which had the same beliefs and had a few demonstrations. So the catholics nick-named them 'protestants'

So this was all nice and rosy, The protestant numbers grew and churches where formed. But some influences where carried across and the christians started to fight amoungst themselves (which I think began creating the bad image of the church) and broke off into the different denominations that we have today!

*breathes*
The thing is that now that I'm following the subject along with my uncle in church, you can really see how much we have fallen (or declined for a better word) from what it used to be in Acts; how it was ment to be!
In Acts, they met every day
they didn't have churches (the church is the body of christ (see 02corinth 12), not a building), they met in each others houses.
They didn't have denominations!!! They all followed JC united and with equal mind, soul and spirit! This denomination thing is utter rubbish, scrap them and read Acts!!

This is such a sour grape to swallow for pretty much all the denominatons nowadays.
There needs to be a radical movement, a revival if you will. Where the walls of sectism are torn down and the denominational barriers are completely destroyed!
Forever!

*breathes some more*
There you go, a accurate-ish representation of the decline of the church in a forum post! :)

*checks time*
Ahh! Me maths homework!! (Mrs Campbell :o )
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alibi
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i always thought that churches were all under the umbrellla of God's church but the different ones came about and still survive because each of us have different personalities... some like structure, some like dancing in the halls, some like singing with the drums, some with organs, some enjoy having their kids in church with them, some with kids in creche... you get what i mean! but wow! that was some indepth research there jonny deux chaussures (i havent done french in ages!! someone correct my terrible grasp on language!!)
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jonny2shoes
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thanks alibi :) (it was from memory... I forgot to take notes so excuse the left out bits)
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alibi
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no way!! thats a heck of alot of stuffs to be remembering!! im impressed! *high fives* :lol:
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jonny2shoes
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*high fives, but misses*

yep! My Uncle's a great teacher, makes sermons a good bit more interesting for me at least! :)
Pity my memory wouldn't work like that in french verb tests! lol :D
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