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Identity
Topic Started: Mar 15 2008, 08:59 AM (215 Views)
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Hey guys!

I believe that the discussion on identity a couple of weeks ago has sparked a bit of controversy about our gender roles and whether they're unrealistic (e.g. should women really be expected to accept all their husbands decisions, is there too much responsibility put on men etc)

I wondered what you thought about it?
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i think i remember a wee debate about that before... but um thoughts...

i dont think a wife or woman has to accept a man's decision... because lets face it alot of the time its wrong and we all have different opinions! i think more power and weight should be put behind women... its high time it was an equal playing field... for all! men included though coz theres things they cant do that we can
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men included though coz theres things they cant do that we can

yea! like have children!

The whole, themanisthebread-winer debate could come in and you could also say that there where more men who were used more by God in the OT than women but on the other hand, Jesus didn't discriminate at all between men or women!

Although the deciples where made of of entirely men..

I want to say that we are equal but something's stopping me :huh:

Just throwing some things out there.
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I think that in the NT it kinda pairs men and woman in pairs, yes woman have to abide by their husband's decisions but husbands are ment to love their wives and if this is so then any decisions that they make shoul be with their families and wife's interest at heart.
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although from a biblical POV, that still doesn't answer my last post about the ratio of male to female thing.. :huh:
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im just going to put this out there

women were made for men... no?

now i don't see why women can't 'have more power' etc... but i just don't ever like disagree-ing with, or changing the Bible.... 'because the times have changed' etc... but then again i do take some meaning of the Bible to have changed, because the Bible is not written for 'back then'... it is written for all of time
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Totally agree with you huggy.. thats whats making me sit on the fence for the moment :huh:

it's a toughie!
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Umm not to seem like a total dunce but what ratio were you talking about???
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even though the disciples were entriely made up of men it didnt mean that women didnt follow Jesus! its a cultural thing of way back when! hmmm.. yes i agree women were made to accompany men but i dont think the order we were made in has anything to do with how equal we are!
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Umm not to seem like a total dunce but what ratio were you talking about???


You know, Moses, Abraham, Issacc, Jacob, the prophets, David, Solomon (fot the OT), Jesus, the deciples, Paul... etc.

For women.. Ruth.. :huh: I can't think of more major ones.

and that's just the major figues of the Bible.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not being sexist. Like I said, I do believe that men and women should be equal but whats in the Bible is saying something different.
But then again, Jesus didn't descriminate... :huh: :unsure:
ok, I'll stop arguing with myself :rolleyes:
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hmm coud u say that men and women r equal but have different roles?

personally i wud prefer life 2b like it wos 100 yrs ago where women stayed at home and raised the children and men were the bread winners - its actually been scientifically proven that men r less likely to do house chores in the same conditions etc.

just my thoughts but im not backing them strongly ;)
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there are loads of key women in the Bible Ruth Esther Dedrah Eve Mary Martha Mary Magdalene Elizabeth Mary (Jesus' Mother) Johanna to name a couple. This is also where RE alevel comes in handy - for once!!!- Jesus had numerous women followers Johanna and the other women provided money to support Jesus - olso note who went to the tomb on the sunday morning and who the first person to see the risen Jesus was!!! (Luke 24.)
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hmm coud u say that men and women r equal but have different roles?


I think that is true. In Jesus' time, men and women weren't allowed to speak to each other in the street, and if a man passed his wife, he wouldn't have said anything to her.

Yet Jesus still took compassion on women, and let Mary sit at his feet, while Martha ran about, and he praised her for doing just that, sitting at his feet. I think this shows that Jesus valued women just as much as men.

The disciples were also all men because of what I said earlier, but women still followed him too. Jesus healed Peter's mother-in-law, and it says that after that, she became one of his followers and cared for their needs.

Just some musings, don't know if they make much sense, but oh well!!! :rolleyes:
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Alot of people would look at Mary and feel that she was a disciple because she literally sat at Jesus feet and this was usually the place that was reserved for the 'best' desciple.
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hmm interstin one....heres my views peoples

basically men and women are not equal (and dis is all cmin frm a fem,ale so i aint a male chauvinist or nythin) physically, mentally, emotionally etc etc we just different. I think this is an area where societites perceptions hav clouded Christian thought....im all on for women being able to vote, getting paid same as men etc etc but in a modern world often for females to be accepted in their profession they hav to give up things which they as a woman would normally do....e.g. medical prfession very few female surgeons Why? cus they are likely to have children an then take maternity leave. So the whole equality thing i think is essentially messed up becus women, to gain this social equality in a way have to become less female if u get what im saying .

bt anyways mena nad women are very different, ie not equal. But this does not mean men are in anyway elite, or more capable or anything like that...it is all societies persception!! aka it is percieved by society that if a woman has loadsa kids she is somehow harming the female equality thing, but perhaps she basically wnts to have kids! therfore if we are in this lovey dovey tolerant equaltiy utopia lik society, then surely tolerance dictates that a woman shud be able to choose to be a mother or have a career or both (i think im beginnig to rant!)

Biblically there are male female distinctions, but this does not mean that males are any better at being Chrisitians or anything daft. In a marriage the female is a picture of the CHurch, Christ's bride. The male a picture of Christ. Both work better wen together, yes Christ (and the male therfeore) have the authority in the relationship but it is a relationship of love, of giving and receiving. So no the wife doesnt have to have dinner on the table by 5, bt if she chooses to do so, then so be it. Decisions are to be 50 50 bt since an obvious stalemate can arise the husband hs the authority and the wife submits. (its in corinthians sumwhere) as Christ has authority over the Church.

The role of women in church is also clearly defined in the Bible. Its not that women are not as learned in teh Scripotures not that their faith is any less than the males bt a woman shud not be an elder and therfore not a minister/pastor (aka the teaching elder) nor shud she be a deacon. Other rioles are however availbale, she can teach chiildren i believe and give testimoney and pray in front of men. The role distinction is common sense....the male has the overall authority in the home (thou it shud be both making decision together) but if a married woman preaches then these distinctions get confused and blurred. This is not as is often believed oppression of women its practical instruction given to us in God's infallible Word and its a clearly defined doctrine rite throughout the Bible. (N.B Genesis and the woman's role-genesis being the foundation of all doctrines....actually read and see, doctrines surrounding trintiy, justification etc...all there or indicated in future events.)

Waow......really loong rant der....hope it makes sense....jus this kinda thing gets up my nose....lik we are expected to have children and then theres the otha extreme where we give up all feminity jus to fit into the equality model!!!!!!...
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