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Tricky Bible Verse; ^ lol
Topic Started: Sep 30 2008, 08:37 PM (313 Views)
huggy
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OK... i'll get us started then... lol...

i was reading the Bible.. as you do... it was a general lets see how much of the Bible i can get through in two minutes... apparently alot.. when i stumbled across 1st John 3... yeas thats near the end....

lol ok so that was more of a story... but seriously...

' 4Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

7Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.'

ok look particularly at verse 6... basically it says that we should not sin if we know God, and that if we are sinning, we do not know God..

i just would like to know what people think about this... because we all sin, and God knows that, so why does he write that if we live in Christ we will not sin?

also verse 9.. its the same idea basically... just something i noticed.. and had to think about...

verses like this can be tricky.. so if you don't know.. you can simply say that.. or just read other peoples comments =]

i have me own ideas... but i'll leave them till i get a few replies =]
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I think its getting at Christians cant continue to sin blatantly without the holy spirit givving them a dig until they confess and ask for forgiveness... Thats what came into my head when I read it briefly, What translation is that? I'll have a gander at my bible (The Message Remix) later and get back to you with a bit more waffle, I've got Chapter one of my database project for ICT to do for tomorrow now!! :o )




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On another point, woohoo! JSU weekend! You ready Huggy? I'm kinda nervous about it. Its the first time ive beeb a proper leader so yea.. :-/ but still :) it'll be nice to see how we all do, I've 'da rulez' board pretty much finished, looks a shambles but hey! :D
Edited by jonny2shoes, Oct 2 2008, 06:09 PM.
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The Message Says:

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All who indulge in a sinful life are dangerously lawless, for sin is a major disruption of God's order. Surely you know that Christ showed up in order to get rid of sin. There is no sin in him, and sin is not part of his program. No one who lives deeply in Christ makes a practice of sin. None of those who do practice sin have taken a good look at Christ. They've got him all backward


Yea, I think it means that if you are truly, deeply living for him that you shouldn't knowingly (i.e. 'makes a practice of') sin, at all. It should be seen as disgusting and just completely unacceptable as a christian nomatter how negligable or major- sin is sin.
This can bring up a whole load of debates but really if you think about it.. our main purpose in life besides being embassadors for christ is to eventually 'become like him'. I know this seems like a monumental task but we cant just give excuses for sin because its hard not to do such and such.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I don't sin because I do, everyone does at some point in the day/week.. I wouldn't be someone you would stick up on the wall and say, 'There's an A-class christian there' but is this thread about defining what makes a good christian? No. So I'll be quiet now :)
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Yeah, maybe it's about people who arte tempted to sin, and know fine rightly that it will be sin if they fall for the temptation, but do it anway despite this??? Not sure!!!

Jesus died for our sin, and when we become a christian these are ALL wiped off our slates, and we are given fresh new ones. Maybe that could be it as well. When God looks at a sinner (all of us) whois a Christian, he doesn't see the sinner, he sees Jesus - saying, "they are mine, I have redeemed them. Their sin is accounted for." Thats just another thought?
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sorry i havent got back on this one...

and you guys are in agreement with me... yay! =]

when i first saw it.. i was a bit stunned... but then i decided to switch the rust dust covered brain on (:O i know)... and i started thinking along the lines of Revive... that God has forgiven us of our sins.. so he doesn't see the sins we have commited.. or he doesnt hold them against us... so we haven't sinned.. (essentially....)

and i also think it is to challenge us... setting our goal posts as it were... (an aim)... we are to be like Jesus.. we are to BE Jesus today... all of us.. thats what we must strive for... impossible we must understand... but we shouldn't give up =]....
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Yeah I know what you mean, we were talking about this in our discussion group, and the hate the sin love the sinner type thing. God hates the sins we commit but loved us so much he is prepared to forget about those things.
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the commentary in chritiansunite.com seems to agree with all your points.
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To be born of God is to be inwardly renewed by the power of the Spirit of God. Renewing grace is an abiding principle. Religion is not an art, a matter of dexterity and skill, but a new nature. And the regenerate person cannot sin as he did before he was born of God, and as others do who are not born again. There is that light in his mind, which shows him the evil and malignity of sin. There is that bias upon his heart, which disposes him to loathe and hate sin. There is the spiritual principle that opposes sinful acts. And there is repentance for sin, if committed. It goes against him to sin with forethought.


Also, im currently readin 1st. samuel and theres a suprising record of saul's method to work out God's will when hes attacked by the phillistines. ill just copy most of the passage here. (1st samuel chp. 28)
PS. Samuel is dead when this happens.

7: Then Saul said to his servants, Get me a woman who is a medium so that I may go to her and get directions. And his servants said to him, There is such a woman at En-dor.
8: So Saul, putting on other clothing, so that he might not be seen to be the king, took two men with him and went to the woman by night; and he said, Now, with the help of the spirit which you have, make the person whose name I will give you come up.
9: And the woman said to him, But you have knowledge of what Saul has done, how he has put away out of the land those who have control of spirits and the users of secret arts: why would you, by a trick, put me in danger of death?
10: And Saul made an oath to her by the Lord, saying, By the living Lord, no punishment will come to you for this.
11: Then the woman said, Who am I to let you see? And he said, Make Samuel come up for me.
12: And the woman saw that it was Saul, and she gave a loud cry, and said to Saul, Why have you made use of deceit? for you are Saul.
13: And the king said to her, Have no fear: what do you see? And the woman said to Saul, I see a spirit coming up out of the earth.
14: And he said to her, What is his form? And she said, It is an old man coming up covered with a robe. And Saul saw that it was Samuel, and with his face bent down to the earth he gave him honour.
15: And Samuel said to Saul, Why have you made me come up, troubling my rest? And Saul in answer said, I am in great danger; for the Philistines are making war on me, and God has gone away from me and will no longer give me any answer, by the prophets or by dreams: so I have sent for you to make clear to me what I am to do.
16: And Samuel said, Why do you put your questions to me, seeing that God has gone away from you and is on the side of him who is against you?
17: And the Lord himself has done what I said: the Lord has taken the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbour David;
18: Because you did not do what the Lord said, and did not give effect to his burning wrath against Amalek. So the Lord has done this thing to you today.
19: And more than this, the Lord will give Israel up with you into the hands of the Philistines: and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me: and the Lord will give up the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines.
20: Then Saul went down flat on the earth, and was full of fear because of Samuel's words: and there was no strength in him, for he had taken no food all that day or all that night.

if any1 actually read all that - so mediums/necromancers/witches DO exist?
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Yeah, it's wierd to think that, cos we don't come in contact with people who would practise that sort of thing.

The book by Doreen Irvine "From Witchcraft to Christ" is meant to be amazing. I havn't read it but she was a devoted devil worshipper before she became a Christian and at one time they were on the beach round a bonfire and she went into the fire and met with the devil, coming out of the flames totally unharmed. The power of some of these "cults" - can't think of another word to descxbe them can be immense, aslo like the Oige (sp) board, the things people have reportedlky seen, heard etc. wa sterrifying.

However, we have a God who is so much more powerful than all of these people while the devil and evil is very much real and present,so is God, and he will always be with us, and will forgive us when we sin, not condemning us but forgiving us because of his mercy and love.
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Well, yesterday I bought a book by Rob Lacey called "The Word on the Street". It takes the Bible, and puts it into contemporary language and explains things for us. On these passages it says:

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4-6 Everytime you mess up, you break the Contract. Definition of "Mess" = Contract Broken. But you're well up on the fact that He showed to get rid of our mess. He had no mess. No one connected with Him keeps on messing up. Anyone who does, obviously hasn't met Him.

7-10 Precious children, don't let anyone tie you up and tow you off. Anyone who does the right thing is sorted in God's books, just like Jesus is. Anyone who keeps on messing up is one of the Devil's cronies, 'cos the Devil's been messing up from day one. Which is why God's Son made his entrance- to send the bulldozers in on his dark empire. Anyone born into God's New Family won't carry on messing up like before, 'cos God's DNA stays in them, so how can they keep messing up? God's their Father!The foolproof test in the paternity dispute - take swabs of lifestyle and the one that shows no evidence of someone doing the right thing, they can't be God's kid. Not possible. Same goes for anyone who hates his brother.


I think what the passage is trying to say is that when we sin, we seem to fall further away from God. But the reason He sent His Son was so that our sins could be forgiven ("to send the bulldozers in"). I think we should try and look at our life, and see just how many sins we committ each day, and that will perhaps show a representation on our relationship for Ggod. It's all part of the encouragement to rid sin from our lives.

I hope this helped remotely. I've actually confused myself in the process of writing this... :$
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wow, that really does make much more sense now :) i must admit im not one for these new Bible translations but i love the language there.
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Which is why God's Son made his entrance- to send the bulldozers in on his dark empire.

Wow thats a legendary imagery for that verse, I've got an illustration in my head right now of it... ohh weres my pencil :)
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Have to say I'm not one for really new street languagey type versions either but that image is really encouraging!
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Isn't it? It really helps me to understand some of the most confusing Bible verses; opens your eyes, if you will... :D
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