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Masonry - good or bad?
Topic Started: Nov 1 2008, 11:18 PM (233 Views)
J.A.C.C.
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A year ago, my mum went on a residential held by "Sozo ministries" and she was told how bad freemasonry was and she believed and got 'released' of the curses. this didnt go down well with my dad since my family has been freemasons for generations on both sides.
she was told of curses passed down 8 generations like breakdown of communication in relationships, speech problems and the mason becoming very ignorant and closed off. and right enough, my dad is ignorant (and so am i) and i was only able to speak when i was 4 (only with the aid of speech therapy). oh and theres also curses of early death which happened on both sides and the masons have to swear by certain organs of the body not to break secrets and those are the very organs that get diseased (my dad has diabetes) and obese. basically, masonry was described as "witchcraft".

yeesh, after writin that, im beginning to wonder why i wrote this topic but i still feel uneasy about masonry.
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Ive heard some bad things about Masory too. My freind has a family containing freemasons and says its pretty easy to tell which ones are masons and which arent. He says the masons are usually alcaholic, short tempered and ingnorant. Im not sure about the curses but i do now that they do have rituals to do with their initiation and so forth. I dont know much appart from what ive heard but i do know that u have to be monotheistic to join. And the banbridge branch is pretty old (ive been in it and its very interesting if ur into old things) They have like grand masters and things.
Im very sceptical about the freemasons but im not a big expert.
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We had to sing at their carol service last year and they were all "brother this" and "brother that". I don't evenknow why they have a carol service, when they are not really Christians. I know there are some Christians who are a part of it, in fact there are clergymen who are a part of it, and while they would class themselves as a Christian organisation, the whole freemasonry contrasts this e.g. curses. My mun's friend went to it, and the man at the door refused to shake her hand because she was a woman. I have heard some really wierd stories about them too. Like most things they started out meaning to do good, and did, helping many people, but so many rules and regulations were introduced with secret handshakes and who knows what else that now they are nearly like a cult. My granda was in the Free masons, but i didn't know that until a while ago. He is technically still a member now, although he would know nothing about them because of his Alzheimer's and obviously doesn't go to the meetings, but i wonder why he even joined, maybe it was a family thing too, i don't know, my dad doesn't talk much about his family.

Also, are the diseases they curse on people not rather common, I don't mean to take away from their seriousness, but is it not lke the people of bible times, when they ask Jesus about the blind man, "who sinned to cause this blindness? Him or his parents?" Bad things happen because we live in a broken, messed up world, full of broken, messed up people, and so bad things will happen, and though people can be cursed, i don't think all the diseases are caused by the curses of men.

Sorry if i have ofended anybody, maybe who doesn't agree with this about the masons, just my view!

I really would quite like to know what they do and get up to in meetings etc. And also, all the secrets they have. Of course i will never find out because A i'm a girl, and B i would never join even if invited, but i suppose it's like Pandora's box. If there is something that you know could be interesting, but you shouldn't go near it, you are automatically drawn to it, and even more inquisitive.

Sin is a bit like that, if we are told NOT to do something, we autonatically want ot do it. Like Adam and Eve - the 1st examples in thwe bible of this!!

Quite a long rant there!!! :blink:
Edited by Revive, Nov 3 2008, 08:59 PM.
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yea, its hard to imagine that they are evil since they still do quite a lot for charity and yea the building in banbridge is fascinating actually, inside is just like a scene from the Crusades.

this sozo organisation also said all brotherhoods (including the Orange Order and Hibernainas) are evil/ a binding. apparently it says so somehwere in the Bible.

as far as i know, people just join the masons through family - inside are plaques with generations and generations of families holding esteemed positions and its sort of expected for the father's sons to carry on. i have been tempted to join, seeing all of my family's names (and some of them were great men), with my dad's hope and right enough, there are a few ministers i know who are trying to get me to join.
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OK I'm quite tired so ignore if I start to ramble :)

So, from what I've just read from wiki (here) I have quickly picked up a few things..

They are pretty much a cult and have cult like initiations/rituals etc.

They do not necessarily believe in God but more in a ''Supreme Being''. Who can be whoever the member wishes (allah, Para Brahman, God etc.) which I would find a disgrace if any 'christian' became involved in it as it completely denies their belief that God is the only true god.

I read a booklet thing about Lodge members/Freemasons and there was one figure who seemed to crop up quite alot in it:

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this symbol refers to the demon Baphomet, known as the ''Great Architect of the Universe'' which sounds like this whole ''supreme being'' thing.
This is the chap here:

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See the thing is that Masons worship this guy and not God. It may not be apparent in the lower tier members but Masonism looks like a blatant defiance to God as being God. Personally I'd hate to be associated with it at all.

I found thisthis comic strip about Masonism, its pretty much what I said with pictures :)

urgh, I'm off to bed. These dark night make you alot more tired than usual -_-
Edited by jonny2shoes, Nov 5 2008, 11:53 PM.
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I never knew that! How can they claim to be a Christian organisation when they do things like that? aw i don't know. It blows me, how anyone could come up with it.s Yeah, don't know if i'm making sense here, just typing my rambling thoughts as they come!!!!

JACC, what are "Hibernainas"?
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wow those pictures scare me and right enough, i do see the top one alot.

hibernians (full name ancient order of hibernians) are kind of like the catholic equivalent of the orange order i think
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Those pictures are freaky looking. I sure wouldn't advise joining. I have never heard of HIbernians.

Don't think the Orange Order are as bad as the Free Masons. They aren't so much a cult as a staunchly Unionist group. Thouhg, I think a lot of the Protestant members of the Free Masons are in the Order. My granda was in both.

As I said before, most of these kind of organisation started out ok, but have gone downhill. I just don't get them!!!!!

It's like the Pharisees, who were the religious leaders of Jesus' time. They started opk, but then started addding to God's rules with stupid rules of their own, like you had to wash your hands so many times before you could eat etc. which were impossible to keep, and didn't help people in any way to come closer to God.
Does that make any sense?
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