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One Piece; We are on a cruise!
Topic Started: Feb 18 2006, 02:10 AM (2,242 Views)
Terek
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Huh...seven pages of non-Negima Anime, and OP is neglected...hmm.

For a bit of background, One Piece is a pirate adventure/drama/comedy about a group of misfits rampaging around an ocean-dominated planet looking for the legendary treasure, "One Piece". Sounds simple, neh? Such a vague description almost doesn't describe this series at all; for a Shounen piece, it's almost revolutionary, a pinnacle of the formula without redefining anything. OP pushes the limits of manga norms, though never exceeding them; this results in a lighthearted adventure that's easy to enjoy and yields a massive tilt. No wonder that One Piece is the highest rated/most popular of all anime/manga right now; at one point, the Anime was the #4 ranked overall series in Japan, with over 100 million copies of the manga sold...in just nine years! Why hasn't OP been brought up here yet? =)

One Piece is the product of Eiichiro Oda, a relatively young-mangaka and a former assistant of Nobuhiro Watasuki, creator of Rurouni Kenshin. I think Oda won an award for his one-shot "Wanted!", detailling a variety of different manga chapters revolving around outlaw-like individuals their various experiences. One of these, "Romance Dawn", would evolve into One Piece; another would have heavy inspiration on Tsugumi Ohba's Death Note. Oda was a big fan of Dragonball when he was a child, and many aspects of Dragonball can be seen in One Piece; however, unlike Naruto or Bleach, which are mere paraphrasings of Dragonball and Yu Yu Hakusho (respectively), One Piece is more along the lines of a "reincarnation" of the spirit of Dragonball. One Piece isn't the same series, but is is no less epic.

The actual story revolves around Monkey D. Luffy, a seventeen year old would-be pirate living during the Great Age of Piracy (roughly 1500 B.C.E. in our time) following the execution of Pirate King Gold Roger twenty two years prior to the series' genesis. Luffy lived in a small village on one of the various islands in the East Blue sea; his home was one day "invaded" by a group of pirates lead by "Red-Haired" Shanks, whom decided to use the town as a base. Shanks embodied a subversion to "historical" views of pirates; he was kind, considerate, intelligent, carefree and honorable. Shanks' definition of a pirate is truely romantic, more akin to an uncaged adventurer rather than a "sea-bandit" that thrives off of the suffering of others.

At one point during Shanks' stay, Luffy accidentally ate Shanks' prized treasure, the Gomu Gomu no Mi, a cursed fruit that conferred great power (in this case, a rubber body) in exchange for an inability to swim. Luffy would defend Shanks' ideologies from a number of mountain bandits; after being taking captive by the bandit captain, Luffy would be resuced (at sea) by Shanks, though at the cost of Shanks' left arm. As Shanks leaves Luffy's village, Luffy promises Shanks to live his life to the fullest, and to become the most famouos pirate in all history. Luffy decides to accomplish this by finding One Piece, the great treasure of the dead Pirate King, and the source of the fanatical goose chase that spawned "The Great Age of Piracy".

One Piece is characterized by having superior, and I mean incredible character depth and development; the stories are original, deep, and intriguing. The villans, though initially shallow, are compelling, believable, and progressively evil. Furthermore, One Piece takes elements from many different mythologies, a stark contrast from the Japanese lore that seems fundamental to all Anime; these include Christian references, sailor mythologies, european legends, and history. The manga can most clearly be defined into two segments per arc; "Discovery" and "Battles". The discovery portions focus on the experiences in a new, fantastic environment and the character's awe and interaction with said landscapes. The battles focus on unique, non-standard and fast-paced combat initiatives against hordes of opponents, whom range from the slapstick to the serious, the weak to the strong, and the benign to the insidious.

That being said, I'm sorry to say that while One Piece is popular in Japan and many countries, it is dead in America. The Anime was licesensed by 4Kids Entertainment, which lead to one of the most overt butchery of any imported series in the past couple decades since the "hard" editing of things like Gatchaman. This editing, stemming from 4Kids focus on the lucrative 6-11 demographic of children, combined with politically correct measures and American localization, have incarnated One Piece as even more heavily edited series than Cardcaptors or Initial D. Many of the changes are unnecessary, some offensive, and many are hypocritical in regard to 4Kids policies. The horrible editing of One Piece is now somewhat legendary across the internet, with even non-fans citing the series' dismemberment as an example of the insidious nature of some dubbing companies. Such is unwarranted, though much of the criticism in regard to the dub is accurate.

Viz Entertainment publishes the manga, but for Japan's #1 bestseller, OP is not only doing poorly in American sales, it is sub-par; this is due in part to the slow nature of Viz's Shounen Jump magazine, of which OP is serialized. This serialization produces anywhere from 1-3 new manga chapters per month, leading the the bad business practice of having an animated series (the 4Kids dub) actually lap the manga, and by a longshot at that. One Piece's unconventional style and storytelling come off as a negative to many Anime fans, whom dislike the "western" feel and prefer something more "Japanese". Parents are strongly critical of the "misleading" cartoony-style, feeling the manga is vile for depicting a virtual "Tom and Jerry with blood and gore" for children to admire. Furthermore, most consider the earlier arcs to have less depth than the "meat" of the series, which won't occur in One Piece's Viz translation for a couple years at best. Furthermore, Viz has expressed fears of complaints due to 4Kids dub, for many children now purchase the mange despite having an age minimum (13); as a result, Viz has done many contextual rephrasals of dialogue, leading to odd interaction between characters, as well as some of 4Kids' naming conventions (Zoro->Zolo, despite fifty chapters of the Zoro spelling; this is unchanged on the character bios).

Quite sad, really, but the influences are felt. Shueisha/Viz was so horrified at how badly One Piece was done, they took a controlling interest in managing the Naruto anime series to ensure its success. The One Piece massacre is frequently cited on ANN as an example of "horrible dubbing", and has been parodied many times in comics, flash animations, and articles. Indeed, some websites have even gone so far as to ban members whom claim a certain series (like Bleach) has been licesnsed by 4Kids Entertainment.

Ahh, that was a lot. Hope this helps you lot understand where we of Arlong Park are coming from; we have biases, assuredly, but I hope our dispositions are a tad clear as to why our partisanship has developed, leading to our animosity at the handling of One Piece in the west.
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Good summary for people who are getting introduced into the series terek.

Anyway, lets first discuss the current chapter. Ch 400.

So, Sanji will be battling Kalipha, Nami goes against Kumadori, Franky fights Fukouru, Sogeking (Usopp) will duke it out against Jyabura, a CP9 agent with a some werewolf Devil Fruit Power, and finally, Luffy matches up against Lucci.
Things are really heating up in Enies Lobby aren't they?

Who do you think's going to obtain the right key to free Robin from the Seastone handcuffs?

Plus, I'm betting Kalipha's DF power will be a Zoan. That way, she might be ugly enough for Sanji to hit her. Also, I'm confident Sogeking will kick Jyabura's ass. I just hope he can handle his Zoan form.

Not to mention Funk Feed is actually Spandam's sword.

So, what were your thoughts on this week's chapter Terek?

Note: If you've noticed Paulie, Bad-Beat, or Terek calling me Daisuke, that's my name back in Arlong Park.

Also, if you want to take a tour of our One Piece stronghold, which is Arlong Park,here's the link to it: Arlong Park Forums.

Enjoy!

And, again thanks for making this good summary of what's happening to the One Piece world Terek.

Yes, One Piece was very much butchered everyone. Terek speaks the truth.

If you can, help us in trying to save anime from being massacred by the devil(kidding), Al Kahn. Naruto and Bleach are very safe from 4kids now.

Same with Negima. Be thankful it was not taken by 4kids, otherwise, they would have made it even worser than it was done by Xebex.
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First, I hope some of you Negima fans get interested in One Piece! It's a riot! Don't feel afraid to ask us any questions; we're all pretty diehard One Piece fans, so we can probably answer any question, even obscure, you throw our way.


But now to address Daisuke's point on Calipha:

Calipha's DF had better NOT be a Zoan.

Why? Because Jabura has a Zoan...

Usopp's fighting somebody with 2180 doukiri and a Zoan. If Sanji fought Calipha, who's new to her DF as well as having the same kind of fruit and a 630 doukiri, how would that showcase Sanji's skills at all? He fighting a woman... but once he works his way around that, the fight'll be as easy as a bloody cakewalk, if he's anywhere near Zoro's skill.

That being said, I'm hoping it'll be a Logia... a Logia, even if untrained, is dangerous... but, because it's untrained, not as bad as Croc or Enel. It'd even the playing field, meaning it's unclear whether Kaku/Jabura/Calipha is now the strongest.

However, I doubt it really WILL be a Logia. Most likely a strong Paramecia, something along the lines of Mr. 1's. Not exactly the same, of course, but an overpowering Paramecia fruit will be needed. Blueno, after all, had a normal-powered Paramecia and he got owned by Luffy pretty bad.

That's my take on it, anyway.
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So Calipha's might be a Logia but not as dangerous as Enel, Crocodile, or Ao Kiji.

I'm just asking about Kaku's DF power? Is it going to be a Zoan? Or Logia?
Either way, this might end up once of the bloodiest battles since Zoro VS Mr.1.

Usopp will be all like his Sogeking self when he first faces Jyabura, but he'll return to normal Usopp mode when he reveals his Devil Fruit Power.

For, Kumadori's match with Nami, I was actually expecting this a little bit. I mean he does fight with nature. Evidence is in the Ch when Franky bit Spandam and Kumadori summoned strong wind with that staff of his. So,its goiing to be nature VS nature.

Fukouru...What's his fighting style anyway? I know he can do the 6 forms, but how does he fight? I think he'll use that abitlity of his to read Franky's abilities and it might be a little like mind reading on Franky. Not like Enel's mind reading ability, but just knowing Franky's special abilities.

Another episode of the dub is premiering tonight on Toonami and I just know its going to be godawful as usual. The worst part is, its Mr.2's appearance in the Going Merry and we'll have to suffer through his terrible Bill Cosby voice again.
More of Vivi's bad voice acting, Sanji and Usopp's horrible voices to go through, and lots of bad puns.

I just know they will mess up Water 7 very badly. I just know it.
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Spandam has access to a huge number of Devil Fruits, but only a small percentage are Logia, and if true, Sanji's a dead man. I was hoping Logias would only appear for the utterly strongest villans of the series; a powerful Paramecia like Luffy, Mr.3, or Das Bones would be more than enough. Califa might not have much in terms of doukiri, but she still has her Rose Whip and she's still intelligent.

Nami v. Kumadori could be a riot. I think such a battle in addition to Franky v. Fukurou will be hillarious.

Jyabura v. Sogeking is scary. Jyabura is virtually the second strongest CP9 agent; sure, Kaku has a mere twenty doukiri more, but that's almost insignificant when both are in the 2000 range! Furthermore, Jyabura has a trained Devil Fruit on par with Lucci's...he might be kinda dumb, but he's still extremely dangerous. I fear Jyabura would be powerful enough to destroy Usopp's Impact Dial.

It will be funny, though.

Jyabura: Hyaa...Shigan!
Wha...? Nothing?
Sogeking: Fufu! Did you think your puny attack could harm the KING OF SNIPERS?
Jyabura: The Sniper King...? I had no idea!
Sogeking: Impact!
Jyabura: Hyugh!

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I very much agree Terek...

Califa's rose whip can be painful when hit with it. Plus, with a Logia and her intelligence and worse of all, Sanji hates hitting girls...*Gulp* Sanji is going to have so much trouble in this fight.

Yes, Usopp VS Jyabura will be very frightening and scary. He might be able to hold of his normal attacks but what is he going to do when Jyabura activates his Zoan Devil Fruit. He might even break Usopp's impact dial... :( If that happens, all he can relly on is his instinct to survive, his arsenal, and his giant slingshot Kabuto.

Nami VS. Kumadori will be more than a riot. Both of them can summon weather forces and thunder, fire, lightning, and anything else involving weather or nature in the fight means many huge explosions. She'll also have to worry being hit by a Rankyouku or Shingan.

Franky VS Fokouru will be so freaking hillarious. A cyborg and a agent who seem to cannot keep his trap shut :lol: . Aside jokes, this will be a little bit of a challenge for Franky. Hemight be also good with Tekkai judging from his round size and he'll be probably good at defense in my opinion.

Then we come to Zoro VS Kaku...Its possible that Kaku's DF power will be an advantage to him in this battle. One thing that scares me a little is that this fight may be violent as the Mr. 1 battle back in Alabasta. Zoro is facing a agent with oover 2000 douriki and has a DF power. He is also very good with Rankouku. If its also Logia, we can all expect a bloody fight.

Finally, we get to Luffy VS Lucci. This will possibly Luffy's most tough fight even than Crocodile. Lucci can use Shingan very well and he's fast. One major thing to worry is his Neko Neko powers. When he's in that form, Shingan can easily impale Luffy very badly like what happened back in Galley-La Headquarters. Luffy better watch his back, especially on Lucci's strong bloodlust. He'll have to use Gear 2 in this battle manditoraly...But I'm confident Luffy will prevail.

What are your other thoughts Terek?
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Kaku's devil fruit has been described as "weird." When Kaku replies, he tries to defend it. This gives the impression of something that can be useful, but not a Logia. I don't care what kind of Logia it is, a Logia is always dead useful.

In all likelihood, Kaku has a Zoan or Paramecia. My best guess would be a monkey Zoan... but that's probably a bit TOO obvious.

I'm not ruling out Calipha having a Logia, because the fact is, sooner or later somebody other than Luffy is going to have to face one. Heck, I'm pretty sure Zoro's going to be the one to take down Aokiji, but that's beside the point.

Though everybody else does have a point.... Logia might be too much... but unless it's something on par with Mr. 1's Paramecia, Sanji's match is going to be a big joke. She's lowest in doukiri by far.
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Your right Paulie. Sanji's match will really be a joke. She's practicly the least strongest of CP9 with only a Douriki of 600 plus.

Zoro will be the one to definetly take down Ao Kiji. I was expecting Luffy to be the one to do the job, but know that you say it...It is more likely Zoro will be the one to defeat him.

So, another dub episode is premiering tonight, which means night 2 of Alabasta Disasta. I have 5 hours left back here in California. How much left iin your time zone, Paulie?

Mr. 2 flashing Nami's breasts will be cut out and he'll still have that stereotypical Bill Cosby voice :( .

One thing, I remember in the "OP-Out of Contex Thread" backin AP and wasn't there a screenshot of Usopp's nose also sticking out of the water durring Skipea? Another thing for 4kids to mess up.

And what are they going to do with Sogeking? They are screwing up Usopp's bravey after all.
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I have one reason for Zoro to take down Aokiji... except for generic freezing, most of Aokiji's attacks revolve around weapons. Ice Saber, for example... and, in the Robin flashback, Ice Partisan seemed to be one of his better moves.

Plus he can't freeze Zoro in defense to Zoro's attacks, because Zoro uses swords.


But yeah, I avoid the dub if at all possible. To the point I once attacked Kaku (my roommate) for trying to watch it.
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I dont blame you if you did attack him. I mean we are trying to draw many people as possible as we can away from the horrible dub.

Have you shown your roomate in your college dorms subs?

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He watches the subs. Heck, he's registered on Arlong Park.
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Paulie,Feb 18 2006
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He watches the subs. Heck, he's registered on Arlong Park.

He did?!

What's his name? I'd like you meet him after all, I am another freind of yours, right? Despite, we chat online.
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Kaku though he doesn't visit often any more.

Heck, he introduced ME to One Piece in the first place.
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About this weeks dub episode...

Chaka's voice was actually perfect, ecxept Cobra's wasn't. As for Crocodile's scene when he killed the pirates in the port town, they actually kept them stabbing him but they only took a shot out of when the swords actually peirced through him. One thing that surprised me was that they kept them being mummified by Croc. Bon Clay flashing everyone was cut out, and they kept his French in.

Overall, this weeks dub ep was OK. Though it still had its usuall case of bad dialouge.
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Awesome. Except, you know, to get to this so-called "decent" episode, somebody still needs to sit through how many episodes of utter garbage?

Still not going to help American OP any...
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