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| Suicide; Your opinion? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 22 2006, 10:53 PM (2,571 Views) | |
| jiz | May 22 2006, 10:53 PM Post #1 |
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So we had a discussion in English today about suicide. And now I'm just wondering about what people here hafta say about it D: So yeah, how do you feel about suicide? For me, well.. A friend of mine a long time ago commited suicide. And I thought that was a very selfish thing to do. I think there's always that point in everyone's life when they just feel so hopeless and pathetic, they wanna take the easy way out of things, no? And I'm sure we've all felt like that before, right? And remember, a hug can make a huge difference in somebody's life :glomp: |
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| Daisuke_CP9 | May 22 2006, 10:58 PM Post #2 |
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How I feel about suicide? Well, people do this because they feel pointless, cant face reality, and sometimes, they feel lonely without family or friends. I think that its something selfish, because, its like they have a confidence of zero and below. Yes Jiz, I do agree a simple hug can make a huge difference in a person who right now is feeling such angist and pain. Jiz, very sorry to what happened to your friend :( . I wouldn't know how to be in such a situation if my friend did that. |
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| NamelessChibi | May 22 2006, 11:15 PM Post #3 |
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Heh... jeez, didn't think I'd see this subject appear here, but I can't underestimate my neice. Suicide huh? I suppose a crude analogy would fit my style. "There are two ways to stop playing a game. Turn it off and play later or kill yourself." That's probably how I see my existence. A game with only one life, tons of obstacles and no continues or cheat codes (not like I'd use cheat codes.) The toughest and most challenging game in existence. Though I've contemplated taking the knife down the street many times. Take the easy route and get the Bad Ending. Why should I care after all? It's my game... But I wouldn't be able to forgive myself for doing such a thing. I made a promise that I would see this existence to the very end. Whether the ending is good, bad, or neither. I suppose that's what has kept me going. It's strange, prior to that promise I was saved by the strangest of sources. As I was contemplating it the first time, I popped in a CD my friend gave me that had the entire series of Love Hina fansubbed. The second a friend convinced me not to. Finally, I made that promise. Heh. What a time. Don't know where I'm going to end up, but I'm still here, playing this game of life. Doubt I'll ever end it by my hands though. Heh. What a subject. |
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| jiz | May 22 2006, 11:16 PM Post #4 |
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@NC: Fufufu, well of course. Almost every forum has some kind of topic to talk about suicide, ne? And yes, such a very depressed state I was in. Also, my friend died a couple of months ago too. I really felt hopeless at the time. Like God just kept on taking away the people I loved. Throughout my life I've thought about suicide countless times, used to cut and tried to pop open some pills, yeah? But of course, with my friends telling me that everything will be alright and that they're always there for me, I looked for a brighter day. There are countless reasons for why people want to die. But they're all very silly reasons. Heartbreak, loneliness, etc. But I guess just like what my friend told me, "God is just trying to test you. To see if you're strong or not. Prove to him that you're strong." |
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| Oatsan | May 23 2006, 12:06 AM Post #5 |
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Suicide in my opinion is entirely a free choice. It's not selfish, nor is it demeaning, evil, sinful, distasteful, wrong ( good ), etc. 1st of all, no one can judge suicide that way. Suicide is just SUICIDE. Killing yourself, is just KILLING YOURSELF. It's nothing more ( as heartless as that sounds, it's true.) Moral is mistaken for the ultimate truth unfortunately and that's why people deem suicide wrong. IT IS NOT WRONG. Just because you where born thinking that way ( with that mentality ) doesn't mean it is. Who are you to deem suicide and it's participants selfish? Now I understand that this thread asks for personal idealisms and not the entire meaning, however many people actually believe in their answers to be correct. That is not true, though feel free to smack me for being a party pooper, but don't go around calling ANYONE who commits suicide selfish or attention seekers even if it may be a reason. We ALL want attention ( exceptions, not sure if they exist ) and we all want to be loved. There's nothing selfish about it. It's human nature. So is death( even if it's at your own hands ). Suicide is a choice, that is all. |
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| jiz | May 23 2006, 12:30 AM Post #6 |
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True, yes, that those who commit suicide, it's their choice to. And did so on their own free will. But is it really an unselfish act? To me it is selfish. Think about it. How would you feel if I commited suicide and left you here on this damned world? Well, maybe I'm not that important to you. But just imagine if your best friend, the guy/girl who you see as family just kill themselves and just leaves you here. Your friend may have escaped their pain but just created more pain for someone else and you. Like I said, I've tried to kill myself before. And I call myself a selfish person. Because all I do is complain about my $#!t when there are others that are suffering far more than I am. And that I'm only hurting those that care about me. |
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| Oatsan | May 23 2006, 12:40 AM Post #7 |
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It'd hurt sure, but the act of suicide is not what hurts you. It's the result. You just lost a friend, or close one. Then comes, the basic idealisms of how much we love our close one's and "oh how much I'll miss him." If anyone is selfish, it's the people being affected. They take burden and pain, then deliver verdict for a decision the person made, why? Because it involvled them. There's also the person who has never experinced suicide closely. They just know it exits. Their response to it, will be based on the response of his/her peers and/or precieved knowledge/moral, etc. Some people can all say "I'll live another day, a future hope " others " I live just to live, no reason or hope" and others " I hate life, let me end it." They are all the same thing at the core. Neither is selfish, neither is wrong or right. |
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| jiz | May 23 2006, 01:18 AM Post #8 |
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Is it selfish to care? Is it selfish to cry over somebody you love that is now gone? If it is, add 1000 points to my selfish counter. "He's in a better place now, he's away from this hell hole. I wish I were with him. He's so mean..leaving me here with all this pain." That's what I thought when he left. Am I selfish for thinking that? Well, I suppose I am. Although, as humans, we're all selfish. No matter how selfless you claim to be, I'm sure there was one point where you weren't. We all want things, some things we can't have though, like bringing somebody back. Some of my reasons why I wanted to die was because of rejection and loneliness. Very stupid reasons, but I'm sure that's a lot of peoples excuse. We're not lonely. If you just open your eyes, you'll see people that care about you and want to help. But others are just too stubborn and don't realize how much they'll be missed. :( Sure, not like EVERYONE'll care. But wouldn't it be just nice to know just a few people do? Well, I guess that's just me. Some other people have the most stupidest reasons for attempting suicide. There's a girl at my school who attempts different ways of suicide just because she thinks depression is cool(she told me this herself even). It's obivious she's doing it for attention the way she does it though. I'm sure the ones that do that just want attention because they're neglected and when they die, people will care and miss them. Wouldn't that be an act of selfishness? "I'm gonna kill myself cos the girl I like rejected me." That was basically me about a year ago. Was it a stupid reason? Yes. With every action there's always probably a selfish motive to it. I'm guessing I probably thought that killing myself will make her care about me and regret that she rejected me. It was stupid and selfish right? All I cared was about making her notice me and I shuned others away. Don't most people do that? They refuse help from others and when the time comes, they kill themselves? "Hey, you'll always find another girl to kill yourself over." Is what my friend told me. Suicide is a permanent solution to what may be a temporary problem. People think that if they die, whatever problems and or issues they may have will go away. However, they're causing the people around them pain just by passing on. |
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| Kimiza | May 23 2006, 02:54 PM Post #9 |
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There are AT LEAST TWO reasons when I accept suicide: 1. You're completely lone person, you have no friends, no family, no one who would love you, and everyone hates you. For example if you're a bum. You know, you have scored the lowest in life and no one gives a damn if you're committing suicide or not. 2. You're in complete pain (which doesn't go away) and want to get rid of it. That second option might sound sometimes a bit "selfish", if you're killing yourself "just" because you are in pain and your family and friends will be missing you. BUT who would be more selfish then? The suicide maker, because s/he killed him/herself just because of the constant pain and left an undying memory to family's and friends' head? OR are the friends and family more selfish, because they want to have the pain guy live longer just because they wouldn't feel sorry? I'm not saying the ones who care should be punished because of they couldn't help the poor guy, and the guy shouldn't be punished because his close ones care. Thus, for selfishness, I'd say it's a tie. But only for that pain/hatred options. If one commits suicide because one of those dumb reasons, then I'd say it was a foolish act to do, but it's too late to cry. EDIT: Wow, mostly what you people have posted here already. Seems I'm not the only ball in the box. |
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| Oatsan | May 23 2006, 03:47 PM Post #10 |
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You basiclly got it. There's barely anything left for me to add just that there is no such thing as a stupid reason. What do you base your conviction on? Personal idea's, etc. However what seems stupid to you seems cool to others, as you should know. That's how the world works, even in topics as serious as this. I end this post with a quote from wiki which shares my point of view:
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| jiz | May 23 2006, 05:32 PM Post #11 |
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Like I've said.
Would you really say suicide is the only and best solution to solve your problems? People get upset over the littlest things that can be cured with time but they over react and think it's the end of the world. Have you ever heard of that kid on Myspace who commited suicide cos somebody rejected his friend request? What would you say to him? Do you think what he did was right? Would you say that the decision he made was stupid and selfish? WOULD YOU CALL MY FRIENDS SELFISH FOR TELLING ME TO LIVE? Would you say to them that I was probably better off left for dead? Are you telling me that there will never be another happy day in my life if I continue living? We shape our own lives and destinys. The only reason why you're probably depressed is because you're making yourself feel that way when all you really have to do is ignore it. If people hate you, screw them. If you got rejected, whatever, you'll find another to kill yourself over. Do you really think life is supposed to be easy? Hell no. And living through those problems will make you stronger, right? Do you think I'm spitting all this sh*t out and I've never been through any type of drama? Oh believe me, my life is pretty jacked up. You'd know what I mean if you're my friend. But did I give up under all that pressure? If I did, I wouldn't be typing this sh*t up. We all experience hardships in life. We're supposed to. If life were all happy-go-lucky, it'd be pretty uninteresting after awhile(for me at least). And think about it. Why are you complaining so much when there are f*cking starving kids in Africa, dying from AIDS and disease, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO F*CKING HAVE IT WORSE THAN YOU AND I. So stop complaining, be thankful for where you're at right now, cos I'm sure, those kids would rather be in your situation.[/color] |
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| Daisuke_CP9 | May 23 2006, 05:37 PM Post #12 |
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No. IMHO, what that kid in MySpace did was one of the most saddistic things I have seen a human being do. Suicide will never solve anyone's problems. The only thing it will do is throw your life away and its even more pointless if its a problem that can be cured in time. After all, my mother always says, time heals all wounds. And what I would have said to that kid is he is overreacting and he should just start being positive and stop thinking thoughts like what he thought that led him to do this act. |
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| Oatsan | May 23 2006, 07:26 PM Post #13 |
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There's a small problem with your idea.......
Not everything is temporary which is why I agree with the idea that suicide is:
If it's being done for selfish REASONS, it's a different story which is what you seem to be aiming at. Yes there can be selfish reasons for suicide, but suicide itself is not selfish. Think about seppuku, samurai's who committed suicide to not be taken alive, as a way to honor their countries and families, whom would understand the situation because it's their culture and accepted as tradition. See what I mean? I don't endorse suicide in anyway. I just see it as a choice people make on many reasons. The REASONS shape it then, into what you'd call selfish or honorable or etc. However that is not what the original question was asking. >___>;; Also, the entire "is this selfish thing", I'd rather drop, seem's like it's a result of confusion due to the state of the original question and answer's being given which addressed it differently. |
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| Magister Gman Magi | May 23 2006, 09:48 PM Post #14 |
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Most people (teens usually) believe that taking their own life will solve their problems. While many of them feel this way, it in actual fact its not. While you may be ending your own personal problems, you are creating a mountain of pain and suffering for someone else, most likely your family, friends and the people who love you. Loneliness is not an excuse for suicide. These people feel so lonely or unloved that they think by committing suicide, no one will notice their dissappearence. Yet again, this is not true. People have to stop being so selfish and start to think about the effects of their actions to other people. If you think your life has no meaning, no purpose, then why don't you go and create your own purpose? Go out and do something to change your life. If you don't like whats going on in your life right now, go out and do what you can to change it. Suicide is NOT the answer! Seek help, talk to people you trust. If you think that you can't trust anyone you know, go see a counsellor. If you are in school, go see your school counsellor. For people with suicidal tendencies, seeing a therapist or psychiatrist may be a means to a solution. Finally, I'd just like to add that if you know anyone who is suicidal, or has thought of suicide, or is potentially suicidal, then do what you can to change the way they feel. Talk to them, and most importantly, show them that you care, and that they are not alone. A hug can do wondrous things! And there's my two cents :) |
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| Daisuke_CP9 | May 23 2006, 09:50 PM Post #15 |
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@Ken Akamatsu: There is? Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Yeah, I can agree with that. |
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