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Suicide; Your opinion?
Topic Started: May 22 2006, 10:53 PM (2,578 Views)
jiz
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The samurai commited seppoku because they have felt that they have disgraced their country, like losing a battle but they were left alive. Because I suppose, it is more honorable to die in battle. Of course, they practiced this a long time ago, do they still now? Probably not for the same reasons the samurai did.

Shaming or disgracing your family? Oh if that was the case, I probably would've done that a long time ago :sweat:

I pity those that commit suicide. Suicide is the coward's way out of everything. Like what NC said, it's the same as shutting the game down when you're losing; you're just giving up.

Because you are going to give up on one of life's challenges, you are a loser. You are not strong enough to put on a bold face and charge blindly into the storm.

Even if people tell me "but they're so depressed from all the bad stuff that happen to them", I just say, "well heck with that, we've all been through our bad times before, and I'm still here aren't I?"

If you're saying suicide is the solution to every problem, man, your life is bleak :sweat:
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Oatsan
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I pity those that commit suicide. Suicide is the coward's way out of everything. Like what NC said, it's the same as shutting the game down when you're losing; you're just giving up.

Because you are going to give up on one of life's challenges, you are a loser. You are not strong enough to put on a bold face and charge blindly into the storm.


Who says you HAVE to run into that storm? Surely no one did. You see it was a losers way out. However, you don't see the whole picture. You can commit suicide and your whole being perfect. Why? Because you attained everything you wanted to and no longer want to live because you feel like "why bother if I'm already at the top". Is this likely? Not really, but plausible? Yes. In so, proof that suicide is not a losers way out. Just another choice man was given at birth to use at anytime.
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jiz
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That's a shame. If you have attained your nirvana, why not share with others then like you're supposed to(at least in the buddhist religion I think)?
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jiz,May 24 2006
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That's a shame. If you have attained your nirvana, why not share with others then like you're supposed to(at least in the buddhist religion I think)?

Well, that is a possible action this supposed person could take, though, it isn't needed of him to. Also, yes, the buddhist religion does have that belief.
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Suicide is an irresponsible thing to do.

Hmm....suicide. I have three words for it : Don't Do It. Why? Well let's see, it proves how weak you are emotionly.

I'm sorry, but this will be VERY mean, and I don't want to offend anyone, but it's how I see it :

Okay, so you have a problem. You're in pain and agony. Let's say your goyfriend dumped you, you lost your uncle, your best friend moved away, you think no one cares about you, or you get abused by your mother. Big deal. If you can't live with it, then you'll want to NOT live at all, right? That's foolish. If you're gonna go out and die after your parents spend years raising you, then go ahead and waste your life because you'll never get another one. There is absolutely no second chance if you suceed in suicide. Okay, let's see, you think no one cares about you. To me, suicide is usually revenge on whatever the problem you're having is. Like, let's see, my parent's don't love me, so now I'll kill myself and show them what they'll lose. Wrong. If they really don't love you, what's the point of trying to get revenge on them? It's not gonna affect them. But if they really do love you, you'll be causing more pain to everyone then to yourself. Suicide is the selfish way out of problems, and sometimes I don't have any respect for people who do it, I just try to stop them, but if it gets to a point where I'm tired of it, I get mad and just tell them to do it if it makes them feel better.

In conclusion, I really don't care if you're going to kill yourself, just remember that there's no second chance, and that you'll regret it if you believe in the after life.
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Kiru
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Suicide is a method of escape. A way to end your pain, suffering, and sadness.

This has been expressed in this thread already, but I feel it is the MAIN reason people choose to commit suicide. I've had my own opinions on the matter, and I guess now is the best time to express them.

For one thing, I do not think that suicide should be illegal. Why? Because it's a decision that you make, it's your life, and not the governments choice whether you should die or live. No one should be able to make decisions on your life.

Now, on the subject of what suicide is, the effects of it, and all the other subjects relating to it. I believe that some people who commit suicide weren't necessarily wanting to die. I believe that they just wanted to know that people around them care about them, and that they would be sad if they died. You may be asking, "But then why do they go through with it if they only want to see life in a new way. There's no way they can see it if they are dead."

That is true, but can be percieved in many ways. Like, what if they were trying to just see if people cared about them so the person was just going to almost commit suicide, but messed up, then the person would be dead.

In conclusion:

I don't think anyone should excercise the usage of suicide, but it's not my decision. If someone wants to leave their family, friends, and loved ones in despair; then it's not my place to arrest them and keep them under watch. It is your duty however, to try and talk the person out of it. To tell them everything that they will be missing if they go through with it.


BLEH, I rambled and I don't think I got my point across. Basically: Death is death. And as long as you are still talking about the person after they have commited suicide then you yourself have agreed to play the suicide game.
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jiz
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Nicely said Gman. You're just wasting your life that God gave you. You're wasting all the things your parents had to sacrifice for you. Everything they did is in vain now.

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Was it hope that kept you alive through the years


From a song.

If you really want to die, what made you want to live for this long? If you really want to die, you don't really deserve the life you have now. Yes, it's harsh, but you need to stop complaining over things. People have it worse off than you do. Stop being a spoiled brat. Suck it up. Would you rather have it if your mom got an abortion and didn't give you a chance to see this world? See all the good and bad. The world is full of good and bad things. Stop looking at it like it only has one or the other. There are children caught in the middle of a battle field, and I'm sure they'd love to switch places with you.

Yes, I'm sure that kind of advice isn't what a depressed person would want to hear, but that's what I got. Wake up to reality, stop drowning in your own sorrows. If you don't like something in your life, get up and change it. It may be easier said than done, but if you'd stop being so cold hearted, let those that want to help come in. Together, you'll have a happier life bit by bit. It's not like you can become happy just like that. Things take time. Problems take time to resolve.
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And you people could also be nice if you notice the other life situation too, the low-scoring bum. Sure, killing yourself and throwing your parents growing in vain and leaving suffering for them is not so nice, but if you're a bum and everyone wants you dead, why not to be UN-SELFISH and kill yourself to make people happy?

If one tries to commit suicide, I don't think he should be arrested and thrown into the jail, because in jail he probably thinks "Now I have scored even more low!" or something. What they should be sent in would be a nice training house with plants and animals, like dogs or cats, have them a book to read and the trainer shows that life could be worth living. Then help him get on his feet, have him a house somewhere and give a new start for his life. Though this would cost so much money the governemnt thinks suicide is cheaper...
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Well, in my opinion, suicide is really pointless and kinda stupid. And here is why I think that:

First of all, suicide does not really solve things, and I'll have to strongly agree with that. If some guy killed himself because his life was screwed in some way, then his problem is solved (not always the case though). However, he creates new problems and misery to the people around him. Distraught friends and family members. It will leave a very bad mark into the minds of the people who are closest to him. Thus there will be a possibility of psychological problems. That is usually the outcome when someone kills themself.

Secondly, no matter how low your life is, it is most certainly not over for you yet, so don't kill yourself. Sure, it is very hard to recover from this type of behaviour, but never give up, no matter how long it will take. And if you have people close to you, they are always there to help you.

Thirdly, suicide (a.k.a. Euthanasia) is not the answer when you are in deep pain. Why? Of course, I understand you would want to end the pain as fast as possible, but in my opinion, I wouldn't do that. Because think that every one born into this world is a fighter. Everyone can fight their own diseases to the very end and they have the strength to do it. So don't give up the fight! It's not over till its over.

Fourth point, Religion has entered a huge debate on suicide since long ago. We all don't know if there is something at the end of the road or there is just pure blackness. This is very rare, but people killing themselves just to see whats the 'next' life is really stupid. (This point is yet to be expanded later on)

In my opinion, Suicide is a low, cowardly and very stupid act. If people felt suicidal, then I suggest they should see a person before considering putting a knife towards themselves. It is DEFINATELY not the answer to people's problems.
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Renato,May 24 2006
03:21 PM
However, he creates new problems and misery to the people around him. Distraught friends and family members. It will leave a very bad mark into the minds of the people who are closest to him.

What if people are only happy that he killed himself, what if he has no family nor friends?
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Renato
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If thats the case, then in my opinion, people who are happy that he killed himself (unless its done for a 100% good reason) are very insensitive. If he has no family or friends, then it would still affect people who dont know him (and will only be affected by it if they heard though some form of media eg. news).

Well thats what I think.
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I'm going to share a couple "personal" stories. When I was registering for enrollment at high school last year, one of the buildings featured a poster dedicated to a student who had died during the year. I didn't know him, but I may have known one of his relatives. My mom and I examined the poster, which included a slightly sad poem. My mom said that it looked like he'd killed himself. Later I found out that it was true... in a sense. He had killed himself, but accidentally. He'd been playing a certain game involving forcing yourself to lose concious (I found out from my mother when she confronted me about said game).

Later in October, I was in the middle of my first class (science), when the intercom suddenly went off. This wasn't unusual. What was unusual was the announcement that the school had lost one of its students. All they said was that he was dead, not the cause of death. The class was in an uproar for a few minutes after the announcement. We asked the teacher about him and she'd had him in some of her classes.

When I got home that day my mom was home and if I recall the first words out of my mouth after she greeted me were "A boy at my school died today." (I'm not sure if I should be amused or ashamed)

I did not know this boy. I was a freshman and he was a junior. Even so, my mother was concerned. Because we didn't know the cause of death, my mom was afraid that the boy had been sick and that I might catch it. It didn't help that all we knew was that he'd gone home sick early yesterday (I think) and that when his mom came home she found him dead. I wasn't concerned. A few days later my mom talked to me and explained that he'd committed suicide (Ah, the perks of having cops for parents). In fact, oddly enough, his mother had just gotten home from a building that was right next to where my mother had worked. She asked me to keep it a secret for his family's sake. I agreed. This made me feel a little awkward. I didn't know this boy and I knew that he'd chosen to end his life. Eventually, I think everyone found out in their own way. He got a memorial poster of his own in the same place as the other guy. I signed it.

Personally, I've had random moments of "I wonder what would happen if I killed myself?", but I've never given suicide a serious thought. Those thoughts were instantly followed with "Yeah right, like I'm gonna kill myself. I've already got too much to live for."

And Jiz, I agree. Suicide is very selfish. An old woman in an episode of Meitantei Conan/Case Closed once said "It doesn't matter who dies. Someone will always grieve."

My friends would be sad. My family would grieve. Can you imagine the impact suicide can have on siblings, especially younger ones? Don't even get me started on my parents. My parents know better than anyone the pain that comes with having to bury your own child. They don't need to bury two.

And then there are those who kill themselves and do what they can to take as many people with them as they can. But I won't go into a political rant right now.
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Suicide? Well....I don't usually get involved in discusions like this but I feel I can relate to it.

Suicide is...well it is hard to place. The act of suicide, in my eyes, is a horrible thing to do and, depending on the REASON, selfish. To take one's life is a stupid act....all life is sacred, and every life matters. I've been called a naive idealist because of my views, but I really don't care.

Not too long ago, there was a friend of mine who would constantly talk about commiting suicide. I felt a tad uneasy because I hate this subject in general. The next day, I find out he's in the hospital for cutting his wrists. I felt horrible, because I knew, yet I did nothing. After that, he's been in the hospital multiple times for overdose, cutting, stuff like that. I've actually been in tears on MSN trying to talk him out of it. So far, he's been alright, but that could change in a heartbeat.

I'll just finish by telling you all what I told him. Suicide isn't the answer. There are a whole slew of other things you can do: Hotlines, friends, family, support groups.....and as Jiz has said, A hug DOES go a long way. All life is sacred...I've grown up believing this, and that opinion won't change anytime soon.

Suicide is contrivercial issue, one which has many different views. We need to be gracious, and accept other's views while still supporting our own. I've seen topics like this turn to flame wars, and I really hope this thread doesn't.
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Yea suicide is a difficult topic. Here's what I think, suicide is an escape. It's not something that happens as a result of depression IMO, I have been so depressed that all I did was lay in bed for a week and it never crossed my mind. In nature all things try to take the easiest path to their destination, and in suicide their destenation is relief from whatever is causing them pain or fear or something along those lines. Sometimes thier problem seems so incredible that rather than trying to get through it they kill themselves to avoid it. It is not selfish for people to commit suicide, seeing as they aren't trying to harm anyone else. They simply wish for an escape from life. I also believe that it isn't selfish for those left behind to miss them. However, it is selfish to blame them for any anger that you feel.

I'm not trying to offend anyone or say anyone is wrong, that's just my view.

That might not be the easiest thing to understand but then again I'm not really good at getting stuff out on topics like this. I have a more complex view in my head I'm just unable to express it...
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Suicide is like another path to me. We live taking a chosen path by our god or gods (if you have one), the one who you may worship. Life will throw to you things that will help you become a better person. So if you can get past these obstacles, you will turn out to become a great person and many people have done this before. But, in reality, there are people who try to avoid this path which leads them to suffer consequences that they may not have suffered if they did what they knew was right. We may not by a "perfect" race, but thats what we get for our sins and we may evolve but the further race will still, and never be of or a definition of the word, perfect. We may pray to our gods, but never get the answer we wanted, but thats what hard work and education is for. If you don't have money for education, get a job. If you don't have education to get a specific job, get an education. And yet there are still people who avoid this blaming their parents for their own problems when they know what they can do. And since they think they cannot control their own lives, they think of suicide as means of an escape route to an eternal world of nirvana, but to reach that place, you must reach it by earning it yourself, this place called heaven.
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