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Suicide; Your opinion?
Topic Started: May 22 2006, 10:53 PM (2,577 Views)
gunyao
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tell you the truth, I'm pretty unsure about heavens' existence. Hence, I tend to think the moment you die, it's all over.
That's the main reason I would always avoid to commit suicide. I must admit you can never say "i will never do it, 0% chance", but things should start going really bad for me to even consider it. Life has brought me good and bad experiences, but I would never commit suicide to avoid bad things. If my life is black adn white, before throwing it away, I will treasure it, both the white and the black, the good and the bad.
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Macha
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Life will throw to you things that will help you become a better person. So if you can get past these obstacles, you will turn out to become a great person and many people have done this before


All what you say really only counts for countries with a certain level. Anything below? No, there you can't get a job, you can't get educated, and you can't control your life. Others do. Every day. Every single hour. Third world, remember?
It's not an "obstacle" when a marauding horde comes through and kills you because you have the wrong religion/appearance/tribal ancestry/pottery. It happens.

So I really can't believe that life choses a path for people. I can't believe that anything benevolent would be so utterly sadistical.


On topic, on topic, I think that suicide is an option. When there is no other way. There is no reason to perish in suffering when you cannot be saved. There is no point in that, at all. So why prolong the suffering?
And no, I mean real suffering. I saw that myself, a person withering away like that due to an uncurable illness. I can't blame them for wanting to end it earlier. Before seeing that, I thought suicide was absolutely never an option. Afterwards, I knew it was a good option in these incredibly rare cases.
Suicide is NOT an option if you have choices. Usually you do, but there are cases where you don't. And there, I see nothing bad in doing that - but only then. Life isn't a show how tough you are, in my opinion. ^^
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Dark Overlord Bane
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Feh...how about we take a look at people who weren't given chances to overcome these obstacles.

Slaves- The very definition of the word. These people lived their lives in peace unti one day people abducted them and enslaved them. Does that mean that slaves who didn't escape are not as "pure" as those who did.

Hiroshima- Read the book. An old saying in the military was "Detain the soldiers, harm not the innocent." Please, even if it was for victory, what about the civilians whose last seconds alive was the terror of knowing that they were going to die.

Concentration camps (WW2 mostly)- Okay then...let me see...God...punishing his own followers...for...following? Sure some may say Hitler paid for it all by dying...but is his life worth the tens of thousands of innocents that were killed?

*sigh* on topic...suicide is most definitely an option, but not one anyone should ever have to make. If you are the one who males yourself want to commit suicide, straighten yourself out or repent, its as simple as that. If someone makes your want to die...well, that's your call.

Note- For anyone who has suffered from depression, please, even though suicide may seem like an escape, it is a road that can only lead you to madness and eventually death...again...your choice. Remember, if ther is a life after and you killed yourself to escape your regrets...you will bear the weight of those regrets for all eternity...
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panzerdark
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I understand that there are obstacles that cannot not be overcome but this is my type of belief. I don't mean to start a arguement over such things but I am however only the age of 15. I am a Junior in highschool though but that does not prove anything of me being smart. I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my previous post. Thank you for your time and Wu Tang!!!!!!!

Fact is, I thought about suicide many times in my life for the pain I went through being blamed for everything by being fat, not that smart, likeing anime, being a gamer, having in my possesion weapons that I am to younge to even own because I am a minor. I don't do suicide because I belive in Jesus and God and that if I try to make oup for my sins, I will be forgiven.
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Dark Overlord Bane
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I believe that people shoud try to repent as well, but the you're only thinking about one situation. What I'm more concerned about is a situation where the person considering suicide is not the one "sinning" so to speak.

P.S. Nicely said Macha!
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panzerdark
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I agree with you two to a certain extent, but I'll just stick with my beliefs. :sweat: I mean, hey, we all think differently when it comes to somethings and agree to other things, so I guess that everytime, someone may hate someone over something and then become best friends for thinking the same way about another thing. If my ideas and beliefs don't belong here, then I'll gladly back down, I don't want to make enemies with anyone here. :shiftyeyes: So I guess I won't post anything to offend you guys anymore. :sweat:
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Dark Overlord Bane
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Mu! No, your beliefs and opinions are welcome here! I'm just a bit passionate about my own beliefs, so I apologize if I was acting oberbearing. That is the last thing that I want to be.
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thenightsshadow
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Personally, I see it as a permanent "solution" to a temporary problem.

NO problem lasts forever. And, in this case (barring exceptions), the phrase "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is well-made for it.

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I'm curious, though...what makes a person give up?

It can't be because of a feeling of life is not worth living. I personally see myself as someone without a reason to live. Does that make me suicidal? No. I just don't feel my life is a life anyone should live through. (If you don't believe me, how would it feel to have the feeling of sadness and be unable to shed tears because you haven't ever?)

Is it a lack of willpower? The lack of drive to go on? I have plenty of that, so it could be that, but I doubt this is it either.

What makes suicide so attractive to attempters and users?

This has to be one of those things that only survivers would be able to answer, I guess...
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Dark Overlord Bane
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thenightsshadow,Aug 4 2006
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Personally, I see it as a permanent "solution" to a temporary problem.

NO problem lasts forever. And, in this case (barring exceptions), the phrase "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is well-made for it.

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I'm curious, though...what makes a person give up?

It can't be because of a feeling of life is not worth living. I personally see myself as someone without a reason to live. Does that make me suicidal? No. I just don't feel my life is a life anyone should live through. (If you don't believe me, how would it feel to have the feeling of sadness and be unable to shed tears because you haven't ever?)

Is it a lack of willpower? The lack of drive to go on? I have plenty of that, so it could be that, but I doubt this is it either.

What makes suicide so attractive to attempters and users?

This has to be one of those things that only survivers would be able to answer, I guess...

Hmm...valid points, but the point I'm trying to address is a little different...People...can want to give up their live not because they believe life is not worth living...but if they believe that living each and every day in agony, wether physical or emotional, is an existence far worse than death...these people see death as their salvation...Its not attractive, just not as bad as living in pain; the lesser of two evils, so to speak.
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Oatsan
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A genuine, albeit severe, solution to real problems – a line of last resort that can legitimately be taken when the alternative is considered worse. No being should be made to suffer unnecessarily, and suicide provides an escape from suffering in certain circumstances, such as incurable disease and old age.


I still agree with this. D:
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Kimiza
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Have it this way...

You are an item with someone who you USED to love and cuddle, but now you're tired on her/him, can't stand her/him, and you just want to leave her/him, but s/he still loves you and doesn't want you to go away. So, act selfish and leave her/him and think that she'll get over it anyway and you're free, or act un-selfish and stay with her/him only because she loves you, but you don't benefit from this relationship?

I don't know, I'd be probably un-selfish and stay with her, but not everyone thinks so.
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Alucard
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my motto goes like like this

"so what if your suicidal? if your depressed then start a rock band"

It's becuase were North american in the free world that we can even contemplate suicide. We live in a world were you always have options and the term "Rags to Riches" is by a slim chance a possibility. It has been mentioned here repeatedly that suicide is an option. well if it is then that is the exact reson why you shouldn't do it. The fact alone that the thought may cross your mind shows how weak you really are.
and as mention to my comment, If you actually read between the lines of deppresing rock you'll find that the rarely have reason to complain. the fact that they,re singing this song now shows how minimal there depression is. In the end the option alone is reason enogh not to do it

and as for the selfishness I'd like to make a quote

as a wise man once said"One man's death is moreso the survivor's ordeal than his"


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Kimiza
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Staying alive is also an option. Why to choose it rather than suicide? They're both options, after all - choose one and leace the other one.
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MakiYuri-san
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OK. When it comes to suicide, so many things pop-up in my head. Here are my thoughts about it:

Throughout my entire life, I never really experienced any happiness or positive thoughts. I grew up knowing about the dark side of life, hearing stories of pain, violence, and death. Even today, I feel like life is pointless, and everything I come to expect is a lie. And then I begin to feel like I want to hurt myself. I've even thought about taking my life by my own hands. As I think about it, I also think about what will happen to me after. I don't believe in heaven or hell, but as a Buddhist (I'm only a beginner,) I feel like the next life would become worse for me (because suicide is a very negative act.) However, I feel that the world is a cruel, evil place where I don't belong. I feel very unhappy, unwanted, lonely, and hated. As a result, I have come to hate such happy things in life such as romance, sunlight, any story with a happy, usual ending, etc. However, I know that it is wrong to take one's life, so I've decided to go on, but not the way people expect me to be.
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aigu92
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Suicide is wrong. That's what I've been taught as I've grown up and I'm never going to change that.

A year ago, my classmate's brother committed suicide. He drenched himself in oil and light himself on fire. That's one problem fixed. The family was devastated and all I can say is that that was the most selfish act. Not only did it destroy his life, it destroyed countless more. What would have been different if he was still alive? But, everyone has their one way to live and their own path to take.
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