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Prolife or Prochoice; which are you for?
Topic Started: Dec 6 2006, 11:56 AM (1,136 Views)
Xiao
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I'm sorry, but nerves are responsible for feeling, not blood veins ^^;. Not sure when those develop though...

As far as I'm concerned... I'm not too sure of my stance because I don't think that either side is completely right. I do think that abortion shouldn't be used as just an escape route so that you can have all the random sex you want, though I know that there are several situations in which it would be an acceptable route (e.g. rape, fatal disease, etc.) However I can't just say "No, except in case of rape" because (to quote I forget who...) that would be saying that a person is a person unless his father was a dick. That would also be saying that murder is alright if the victim's father commit a felony. Also, abortions have been known to royally screw up the uterus after they are preformed. So I'll just say that I most likely wouldn't personally, but I don't really care what other people do.
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UnNegi-relatedname
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Nerves won't do ANYTHING until the brain develops. And FETUS's brain won't be complete until much later in the birth process. Abortion is not murder.

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First of all, abortion is legal. And second, a fetus is not a person until it can function on its own.
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worldbuilder
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I really don't think that this should be debated, it often leads to flame wars and such....
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UnNegi-relatedname,May 10 2008
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Nerves won't do ANYTHING until the brain develops. And FETUS's brain won't be complete until much later in the birth process. Abortion is not murder.

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First of all, abortion is legal. And second, a fetus is not a person until it can function on its own.

So, if I paralyze you (they have drugs that can do that) and then euthanize you, its all fine and dandy?

You are using your own definition of what a human being is. I feel that once the embryo is growing into a person it is human. It's like saying the foundation for a skyscraper isn't a skyscraper until the last pane of glass and the last steel bar is put into place.
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Regalar,May 18 2008
10:36 AM
UnNegi-relatedname,May 10 2008
02:03 PM
Nerves won't do ANYTHING until the brain develops. And  FETUS's brain won't be complete until much later in the birth process. Abortion is not murder.

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First of all, abortion is legal. And second, a fetus is not a person until it can function on its own.

So, if I paralyze you (they have drugs that can do that) and then euthanize you, its all fine and dandy?

You are using your own definition of what a human being is. I feel that once the embryo is growing into a person it is human. It's like saying the foundation for a skyscraper isn't a skyscraper until the last pane of glass and the last steel bar is put into place.

Well first off, I don't see ANY relevance in euthanizing me and abortions.

And yes, generally, you wouldn't call it a skyscraper until it's finished.

But what I'm saying is that it does not classify as a human being until it can do the specifics I mentioned above.
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UnNegi-relatedname,May 18 2008
03:25 PM
Regalar,May 18 2008
10:36 AM
UnNegi-relatedname,May 10 2008
02:03 PM
Nerves won't do ANYTHING until the brain develops. And  FETUS's brain won't be complete until much later in the birth process. Abortion is not murder.

Posted Image

First of all, abortion is legal. And second, a fetus is not a person until it can function on its own.

So, if I paralyze you (they have drugs that can do that) and then euthanize you, its all fine and dandy?

You are using your own definition of what a human being is. I feel that once the embryo is growing into a person it is human. It's like saying the foundation for a skyscraper isn't a skyscraper until the last pane of glass and the last steel bar is put into place.

Well first off, I don't see ANY relevance in euthanizing me and abortions.

And yes, generally, you wouldn't call it a skyscraper until it's finished.

But what I'm saying is that it does not classify as a human being until it can do the specifics I mentioned above.

You missed the point.

They said:

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You are using your own definition of what a human being is


Then you said:

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But what I'm saying is that it does not classify as a human being until it can do the specifics I mentioned above.


I say:

What they said is right. There is no set of defining qualities that classify something as a human being. Instead, there exist agreed upon qualities, that are passed down like hand-me-downs to the people, so that they can rest their heads and never have to actually question what a human being is. If they did, they'd find there is no right answer.
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What I mean is that I use what I define as a human, and that justifies abortion for me.
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I'm so sick of this debate. I'm going to do what I want with my vagina and my uterus. If I end up in a state where I'm not allowed to have an abortion, I'm moving back to Massachusetts, where I know it will be legal for all eternity.

Xiao, the idea that 'no, except in case of rape' isn't for the kid's sanity, it's for the mother's sanity. The growing person is a person and is still a person if his father's a rapist. Mother probably wouldn't be too happy about it, though. You've been traumatized, you find out you're carrying the spawn of someone who violated you, you have not prepared at all to raise a child, emotionally or physically. If you want to keep the kid, bless you. If not, I think you should have the right to abort.

I have no idea what you mean by murder is alright if your father convicted a felony. I know you're trying to connect it with why abortion stemming from rape could create controversy, but I don't even know what you're talking about.
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´Silas
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pro tip: If my memory doesn't fail me, abortions due to rape cover 1-2 % of the total abortions a year. Based on a scandinavian survey
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Go take a look at the US first, because I'm fairly sure that no one here lives in Scandinavia.
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It's also about 1% in America.
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UnNegi-relatedname,Jun 19 2008
10:19 AM
Go take a look at the US first, because I'm fairly sure that no one here lives in Scandinavia.

Then you should read up mr. ;) Cause it's pretty obvious that I do. And thanks Zaroff :)

In the end I think the root of this is whether people think they "own" their children or not, and if they feel the have some sort of "rights" concerning the child they may care. (and yeah, flamewars cause I'm a guy, yadda yadda yadda)
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