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Murder; Can it be justified?
Topic Started: Jan 26 2007, 04:55 PM (431 Views)
Khornite
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My opinions:

Wrong - Murder for money or anything that causes selfishness or personal gain.

Right - Getting rid of immature and stupid people out of the human gene pool before they can reproduce. Also ignorant people who wish to kill you or your kind. Or other killers and serious wrong-doers (crimes worthy of life sentences in the U.S.).
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There are weak men and strong men in this world. The strong men take everything and the weak men die. That's how the world was designed.
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Kiru
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That is a digusting and cretinous way of viewing things, Gafgar.
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Khornite,Jan 26 2007
04:55 PM
My opinions:

Wrong - Murder for money or anything that causes selfishness or personal gain.

Right - Getting rid of immature and stupid people out of the human gene pool before they can reproduce. Also ignorant people who wish to kill you or your kind. Or other killers and serious wrong-doers (crimes worthy of life sentences in the U.S.).

Hey didn't HITLER try something like that, with a group of people he thought was unfit to live?

But really, I don't think murder should ever be justified. Just ain't right I tells ya! Even if you're killing someone who's on death row, what gives you the right to kill him? His death will not make up for the deaths of who he killed. Death does not justify death.
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Morally, I could probably justify certain murders if I took the time to plan out an argument. But I tend to view morals as very subjective. Machiavelli would be proud of me, I'm sure.

Typically, I follow a "no matter what reasons you have, don't kill someone" approach simply for reasons of karma. (Note: I do not follow Hinduism or Buddhism.) You just never know when all that negative karma will manifest itself as a vengeful relative, a death sentence, or a random jet crashing through your bedroom window.

As for the social culling issue: Congratulations, Khornite, you managed to make a statement that fulfilled Godwin's Law ("As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.") within three replies. *clap, clap, clap*
Although generally the Hitler/Nazi comparison robs a response of its merit, I have to agree in this case. Social culling and Hitler go together like peanut butter and jelly.
With that said, there are certain people I wouldn't mind seeing killed in the name of social culling... Britney Spears and Paris Hilton come to mind.

Side note at Zaroff: Hitler actually tried something like that with SEVERAL groups of people. I swear, everyone overlooks the persecution of the Roma, the Poles, the Serbs, the Communists, the Jehovah's Witnesses, the homosexuals, and the "asocial" people in Nazi Germany. *shakes head*
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WitchCirce,Jan 28 2007
10:56 PM
Side note at Zaroff: Hitler actually tried something like that with SEVERAL groups of people. I swear, everyone overlooks the persecution of the Roma, the Poles, the Serbs, the Communists, the Jehovah's Witnesses, the homosexuals, and the "asocial" people in Nazi Germany. *shakes head*

I actually don't overlook that fact, that was a mistype. Should have said "groups", but it was more in reference to Khornite listing a group of people, then me saying that Hitler also target a group of people also.

GOD, NOW YOU MADE ME LOOK LIKE A JERK!! ;_;

But I'm cool with that :highfive:
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Kiru,Jan 27 2007
09:08 PM
That is a digusting and cretinous way of viewing things, Gafgar.

You need to play more Suikoden.
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Gafgar Adolis,Jan 28 2007
11:24 PM
You need to play more Suikoden.

You need to verb more nouns.
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I don't think you should kill anyone for any reason, it's just wrong, now matter how stupid a person can act, but I'm not against self defence. :sweat:
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No human, EVER, has the right to end another human's life. There is no justified reason to do so. Every human is as vile and incorrect then every other one. Simplest way to put it.
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Gafgar Adolis
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Disregarding Luca Blight's opinion, I believe killing another human being is acceptable under the following conditions: self-defence, war, consentual duel to the death, and feeding.
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Zaroff,Jan 28 2007
11:18 PM
I actually don't overlook that fact, that was a mistype. Should have said "groups", but it was more in reference to Khornite listing a group of people, then me saying that Hitler also target a group of people also.

GOD, NOW YOU MADE ME LOOK LIKE A JERK!! ;_;

But I'm cool with that :highfive:

Oopsies. Oh well, as long as you're edumacated. It sort of pushes my buttons whenever people say that only one group of people suffered under the Nazi regime. Especially when people overlook the poor homosexuals. GAWD, give them some credit! </ending rant mode>

Maybe you could've just taken out "a group of" and just said "people"! Hindsight still has "insight" in it.

So, yay for being cool! :highfive:

At Gafgar: Feeding? Like... cannibalism?
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Kiru
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Did you forget the Gypsies, WitchCirce? Or was "Roma" them? Oh and the blacks.

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Kiru,Jan 29 2007
08:33 AM
Did you forget the Gypsies, WitchCirce? Or was "Roma" them? Oh and the blacks.

"Roma" are Gypsies, yes.
Oh, and the blacks. Yes. And Catholics too. The list goes on an insanely long amount.
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Actually, when I said the stupid people part, I was referring to like the Darwin Award winners (ex: a woman who smoked thought that gasoline could end her lice problem, guess where that ended). Of course, they're all ridding themselves.
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