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The Death Penalty; Civil, or not?
Topic Started: Jan 30 2007, 08:52 PM (790 Views)
thousand-mistress
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You ever wonder about the death penalty?
A guy convicted of Murder is sentenced to death, so we kill him.
BUT, the Bible says "You shan't murder", and we're basicly murdering the people convicted of murder in the first place.
The world makes no sense, ne?
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Well if we went with everything the Bible said, that would be a violation of separation of church and state.
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But since I am not a believer of the bible, I think that the safest way to get rid of a tainted mind is to eliminate it.
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Zaroff,Jan 30 2007
08:54 PM
Well if we went with everything the Bible said, that would be a violation of separation of church and state.

screw that.
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Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people say the same thing when they go against gay marriage
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Let gay people be! They don't force their beliefs on people..
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My point exactly. Gay people are perfectly fine in my eyes. But the Bible doesn't think so. The Bible also says that women can't hold a higher position in life than men. It also says you can kill your kids if they disobey you. So if we're going to not have the death penalty because the Bible says so. I guess we'd have to take all those bad things too.
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Zaroff,Jan 30 2007
09:10 PM
My point exactly. Gay people are perfectly fine in my eyes. But the Bible doesn't think so. The Bible also says that women can't hold a higher position in life than men. It also says you can kill your kids if they disobey you. So if we're going to not have the death penalty because the Bible says so. I guess we'd have to take all those bad things too.

Shall you point out wich chapter in wich these statements lie in? Death penalty is a hard topic to cover. their are both pros and cons. Death penalty does kill people, doesnt it? Murder isnt justified either, but dont people take it into their own hands to commit such acts? It is somewhat justifiable, yet, unjust at the same time. Its not only a punishment, but a way to deter such acts of cruelty such as murdering a child, or a father, or a mother, or women, or men. Its also a form of vengeance, yet it does state in the bible that you should forgive those who trespass against you. Meaning to forgive. This can go on forever, it is both just and unjust at the same time. And please, do not bring religion into this, if you do not believe, then do not mention it please. I tend to be touchy on the topic of Religion. Thanks.

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To be honest, I'm not entirely sure what part of the Bible I read all that stuff in, it may have even been some other source of the word of god somewhere else. But the basis of this topic was that God said it was bad to kill, but God says a lot of stuff.
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A lot of that stuff comes from Leviticus and Deutronomey, or however you spell those two.
I seem to recall it being in Leviticus that women were "unclean" during their menstruation cycles and had to be cast out of the city for seven days, and ye gods forbid you should touch a woman on her period, else you'd have to go through all sorts of crazy complicated cleansing rituals.
...so yeah. The Bible can be weird sometimes.

Besides, you can't really use a particular religion as a blanket statement for what is and is not moral, since not everyone believes the same thing.

Personally, I agree with Evenkurugan. It's justifiable and unjustifiable at the same time.
Justifiable: This person's dangerous as all #$%&, and there's no telling how much harm they could cause even to their fellow inmates if we allowed them to live. The death penalty's especially good for dealing with psycho serial killers--people that can't really be reformed. So if we can't reform their behavior, why waste resources keeping them alive when they're just a danger to themselves and others?
Unjustifiable: It's still murder. What gives one man the right to decide what other men shall live and die?
Etc., etc., it goes on and on.
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Just so I can throw in some numbers, in Canada (where I live) there is no death penalty. Life is the highest sentence and isn't given out very much. Only to the nuttest of the nutters, usually it's 25 years without parole (sp). Anyway, on average, Canadians pay $25,000 (I may have put in an extra zero, but I'm pretty sure I'm right there) in tax dollars every year on making sure the inmate. That's for the cell, the food, the cloths and throw the risk of some guards life in there (mind you it's been a while since that's happened up here) and you've got a pretty costly SOB who should have that much money spent on him.

Now my opinion, kill and be killed. What you do to others, will return to you three forth. I think everything sorts it's self out... I guess I'm both for and agaist(sp) this....
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Zaroff,Jan 30 2007
08:10 PM
The Bible also says that women can't hold a higher position in life than men. It also says you can kill your kids if they disobey you.

Lies. Middle Ages Catholic dogma =/= Biblical doctrine nor modern day Christianity.
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Gafgar Adolis,Feb 1 2007
01:23 AM
Lies. Middle Ages Catholic dogma =/= Biblical doctrine nor modern day Christianity.

I'VE BEEN FOUND OUT! OH SHI--
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*shines searchlight on Zaroff* Found you-ohshit, this isn't a searchlight, it's a THEL! Er... oops.
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I'm Catholic and the death penalty seems perfectly ethical to me.
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