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The Death Penalty; Civil, or not?
Topic Started: Jan 30 2007, 08:52 PM (789 Views)
frodowise
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Captain Jack Harkness,Nov 30 2007
09:46 PM
I'm Catholic and I'm against the Penalty unless they do something that the only way for it to be justified is to but even then it's wrong.
In the news recently there's a woman who people want executed because she named a teddy bear Mohammed.
That's injustice and they had to move her to a secrect location for her own saftey,.
Her orignal punishment was 15 days in prison and up to 40 lashes,I see putting her in jail but the 40 lashes is wrong.

So the Penalty counts as and should be banned.
It's also a violation of human rights cause sometime they execute people!

Okay.Rant over

40 lashes? Where does she live? No Western country that I know of has given any lashes for almost 200 years.

Actually, is someone for some reason other than self-defense OR punishment befitting . It is the latter reason which causes people problems... Treason, for example, is a crime punishable by in many countries. But what if their country is driving them into a political/economic "hole" and they want to change their government? Do they then have the right/obligation to commit treason to bring down the current government?
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I like the death penalty in lots of cases.
IE The case of Tsutomu Miyazaki. That bastard needs to die. NOW.
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frodowise,Dec 1 2007
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Captain Jack Harkness,Nov 30 2007
09:46 PM
I'm Catholic and I'm against the      Penalty unless they do something that the only way for it to be justified is to          but even then it's wrong.
In the news recently there's a woman who people want executed because she named a teddy bear Mohammed.
That's injustice and they had to move her to a secrect location for her own saftey,.
Her orignal punishment was 15 days in prison and up to 40 lashes,I see putting her in jail but the 40 lashes is wrong.

So the      Penalty counts as        and should be banned.
It's also a violation of human rights cause sometime they execute          people!

Okay.Rant over

40 lashes? Where does she live? No Western country that I know of has given any lashes for almost 200 years.

Actually, is someone for some reason other than self-defense OR punishment befitting . It is the latter reason which causes people problems... Treason, for example, is a crime punishable by in many countries. But what if their country is driving them into a political/economic "hole" and they want to change their government? Do they then have the right/obligation to commit treason to bring down the current government?

She's from Liverpool (England) but she went to a country I think it was in the west I can't remember the name

Here's a article about it if it helps
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frodowise,Nov 30 2007
10:02 PM
40 lashes? Where does she live? No Western country that I know of has given any lashes for almost 200 years.


America has.
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Yes, but people paid good money for those.
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I don't know. If you follow the idea "an eye for an eye" literally, then capital punishment becomes very easy to justify. However, most people, although they do not believe in the premise literally, believe that some form of retribution is deserved. However, abstract punishment cannot be created, and so forms of "real" punishment have to be instituted instead.

I don't quite know how to explain this, but I suppose capital punishment is a flaw of humanity, not in the fact that it kills innocents, but in the fact that it is a concrete punishment. If you commit a heinous crime that in the law system deserves capital punishment, but you become repentant of the crime, does that make you better than someone who committed the same crime but does not feel badly about it? I think that most people would argue that it does, but we have no way of gauging this. We can only judge by the action itself, not anything that is invisible and to be honest rather abstract. Likewise, we cannot "morally" punish someone. Simply letting them alone with the horrible crimes they've done does not assure us that this criminal has paid retribution for his crime, and it does not allow people to forget and move on. After all, if you could simply witness the event, and then move on, you'd probably be very well enlightened already.
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Yeah it is a bit messed up but what are you going to do? Also I didn't know you were christian, that's so cool TM. ^_^
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Samiel,Dec 24 2007
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Yeah it is a bit messed up but what are you going to do? Also I didn't know you were christian, that's so cool TM. ^_^

If you believe it's messed up then what you do is you change it. Get rid of the death penalty. Lawl.
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My reasons for opposing the death penalty:

1: Erroneous conviction is always possible. If you get sentenced to life for a crime you didn’t commit and then they discover you really didn’t do it, they let you out and pay you a settlement, and your family gets to see you again. Life goes on. If you get executed for a crime you didn’t commit, and then they find out you didn’t do it, then the people have become accomplices to your murder.

2: An eye for an eye leaves us all blind. When Ted Bundy was executed, how many of his victims came back to life? Don’t strain yourself too hard figuring this one out. Also, if we want to make the punishment fit the crime, doesn’t that mean we have to burglarize burglars, defraud fraudsters, counterfeit counterfeiters and betray traitors?

3: Criminals who commit capital crimes are wagering on not getting caught, so there’s no real deterrent. Ted Bundy thought he was smart enough to avoid the electric chair, even serving as his own defense attorney at his trial.

4: Life imprisonment isn’t that much of a drain on society. Murderers make up just a teeny-tiny fraction of the population, so all of us pitching in via taxes to keep them fed, bathed, clothed, sheltered and guarded in prison for life doesn’t really cost each of us that much. In the USA, it’s nothing compared to what you’re paying for George Walker Bush’s war of imperial conquest.
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Jigoku Shoujo 18 has reaffirmed my belief that some people just need to die. Now. And they need to make it public.

And if they aren't afraid of death, humiliate them first or something. Do SOMETHING to make sure their last moments are desperately unhappy and wrought with negative emotions.

I say bring back hanging. Japan still does it.

If you murder someone, you don't DESERVE the comfort of a "humane" death like lethal injection. BREAK THEIR NECK, SUFFOCATE THEM, BEHEAD THEM, WHICHEVER'S THE MOST PAINFUL.

If the evidence is there and it's quite obvious they did something terrible, make them know the pain they've caused, times ten. Destroy their mind before you destroy their body. GIVE THEM THE MOST INHUMANE DEATH POSSIBLE.

I am speaking specifically about the lady in Jigoku Shoujo 18 and Tsutomu Miyazaki, but it could apply to any similar person. MAKE THEM SUFFER, AND TELEVISE IT.
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And can you remind me Victor my friend, which part of removing your humanity to kill a killer makes you better than them?
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Zaroff,Apr 1 2008
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And can you remind me Victor my friend, which part of removing your humanity to kill a killer makes you better than them?

You didn't kill someone innocent, you killed a killer that deserved it.

That part.
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I'm refering to the part where you make their death inhumane. How effective is having a law against barbaric murders thats enforced by barbaric murders?

What difference does it even make that they suffer before they die anyways? They'll just be escaping it soon in death.
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