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what is the meaning of life???; the question that answers all questions
Topic Started: Apr 7 2007, 08:57 AM (1,579 Views)
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shiryu-ryu,May 20 2007
07:14 AM
said the man that think demon's and angel's don't exist 'cuz he can't see them

If you could read English you'd know that I'm one of the guys that's been DEFENDING the existance of angels and demons.
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TT^TT well..........youre a MEANIE!!!
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shiryu-ryu,May 20 2007
05:14 AM
u guy's speaking in high-level english

That's one the best compliments I've ever gotten :excited:

Anyhoo, yeah, I suppose otherworldly being probably do exist... I just wouldn't bring it to a debate

and to aigu. Not so sure you TOTALLY got my rendition with Wile.E

maybe that was a bad example. Here's another

have ya ever played the classic Legend of Zelda games?(Who hasn't :D )

The object is basically hacking & Slashing and Dungeon Crawling. You move through the dungeon trying to find stuff and complete your objective. all in the name of exploration and adventure

You have a little map at the corner of the screen. For Ram issues and general logic, the map moves with you. Every single tiny step you take(within the only four directions you can move in) the map advances another step and reveals a brand-new row of area to move towards. In the same sense, the row of area from which you just moved away from dissappears from the map. It's all for the purpose of leaving explored area behind and finding new area to explore

Really, life is one big adventure(in some sense). the edge of the map which is in your vision is basically happiness. As you toward that happiness, it moves away, while the place you've already explored is gone. That's really all there is to it. It's not that you're trying to catch that particular row of spaces. Even if there's a treasure chest there, you're in actuallity trying to catch the edge of the map. There is also the option that you may have left some treasure behind, so you go in the direction behind you and leave the area in front of you behind instead. The trusth is, happiness is the edge of the map. It's within your sights but you'll never ever catch it because it moves as fast as you do. What makes LOZ simple is that Link can only move in four directions(Left, Right, Up, Down) and can only occupy single spaces(the LOZ world back then was just a massive grid of squares that were collored nicely). Plus, link has a "Final Boss" to take on and an end of game after beating the final boss. If anything, that's finding happiness for that Link(and seeing as all the links were just a compilation of pixles, the Link you were playing as was the only Link of his kind... then when the next game rolls around, they remake the pixles to in the same shape as the last one to suit the graphics of the game, all under the name of the same person). Also, for Link, his adventure has to end at some point(Nintendo can't stay around forever) and then, he'll have no more adventuring to do, so that'll be his end(so finding happiness in those individual games was just a stepping stone on the way to the end)

That's all really what life is. The Map you can't catch, even though it's in your sights. That's all there is to finding happiness(the sense of adventure from trying to catch that map-edge is really a miniscule fraction of the happiness from actually catching it. But since no one's ever done it...)

So yes, your sense of adventure is plenty valid. It's just not very big(which is why I choose not to chase it)

Perhaps he Christian idea of Heaven doesn't indulge the good souls(Ambrosia, anyone?), but gives them that sense of completion that mortals can never grasp :unsure:
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Alucard,May 20 2007
02:45 PM
That's all really what life is. The Map you can't catch, even though it's in your sights. That's all there is to finding happiness(the sense of adventure from trying to catch that map-edge is really a miniscule fraction of the happiness from actually catching it. But since no one's ever done it...)

So yes, your sense of adventure is plenty valid. It's just not very big(which is why I choose not to chase it)

I disagree. The sense of adventure is WAY more fullfilling to me. That's more a matter of opinion. And my sense of adventure is VERY VERY VERY big, thank you. I would write all my adventurous hopes and dreams, but it'd be too corny. It may not seem like I'm very adventurous on the forum, but only if you could read my thoughts . . .
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What she said. ;)


I want to read minds! :lol:

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oh yes, it is valid, but a fraction of what you could be feeling

actually, I'd like to peek into your mind(and the word "Corney" doesn't exist for me. Talk away if you like)

On another thought, imagine eating dinner. You reach for some peas and you get some peas. Now you wanna eat corn, so you eat corn. Now you wanna wash it all down with something to drink, so you take a sip of something. Basically, our wishes are always alternating. The feeling of anticipation that comes from lifting a fork to your mouth isn't is big as actually tasting the food. That's a reletively odd rendition of how small the adventure is compared to the attainment

Yeah, I use weird discriptions :sweat:
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Alucard,May 21 2007
12:53 AM
oh yes, it is valid, but a fraction of what you could be feeling

actually, I'd like to peek into your mind(and the word "Corney" doesn't exist for me. Talk away if you like)

On another thought, imagine eating dinner. You reach for some peas and you get some peas. Now you wanna eat corn, so you eat corn. Now you wanna wash it all down with something to drink, so you take a sip of something. Basically, our wishes are always alternating. The feeling of anticipation that comes from lifting a fork to your mouth isn't is big as actually tasting the food. That's a reletively odd rendition of how small the adventure is compared to the attainment

Yeah, I use weird discriptions :sweat:

As I said, this is more a matter of opinion. To me, lifting the fork would be better than eating the food. (Well, metaphorically speaking. :sweat: )

I have been through things like this before. For example, my friend and I were arguing (friendly arguing! :P ) about this pen we found. We both really wanted it. Soooo, in order to decide who would get it, we held an obstacle course. We just made random "quests" to do. It was really fun. In the end, I won and got the pen. But, a day later, I realized that the pen wasn't that great. I got bored with it in a day. I had a LOT more fun when I was on the obstacle course with my friend.
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"^^ well a pen is not much of an entertaining thing so that's a bad example.......
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shiryu-ryu,May 21 2007
06:07 PM
"^^ well a pen is not much of an entertaining thing so that's a bad example.......

No, it's not! I really wanted that pen before the obstacle course. And anyway, even if the winner got a trampoline, I'd rather do the obstacle course. :fist:
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No, it's not! I really wanted that pen before the obstacle course. And anyway, even if the winner got a trampoline, I'd rather do the obstacle course. 

"^^ well it depand's on if the competeter's like a trampoline or not 'cuz some will be very happy and go " :dance: WOOT! a T-R-A-M-P-O-L-I-N-E!!!" and some will go " <_< w00t.....a trempoline......"
"^^ so it really depends on the peron.......
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shiryu-ryu,May 21 2007
06:26 PM
"^^ well it depand's on if the competeter's like a trampoline or not 'cuz some will be very happy and go " :dance: WOOT! a T-R-A-M-P-O-L-I-N-E!!!" and some will go " <_< w00t.....a trempoline......"
"^^ so it really depends on the peron.......

Exactly my point! I'm saying it's a matter of opinion! So, some people might rather have the pen than do the obstacle course again. Hopefully no one I know is like that. :(
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^^ i got youre point about u being an adevturer and would rather do something exciting and hard working 4 rather than have the prize or get the prize with less action needed however i think most ppl would want the easy way so both u and alucard-san my have a point by saying that everybody can choose wether to work 4 the prize or to work 4 the fun but most of ppl would work 4 the prize
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shiryu-ryu,May 21 2007
06:43 PM
^^ i got youre point about u being an adevturer and would rather do something exciting and hard working 4 rather than have the prize or get the prize with less action needed however i think most ppl would want the easy way so both u and alucard-san my have a point by saying that everybody can choose wether to work 4 the prize or to work 4 the fun but most of ppl would work 4 the prize

Okay, well, first, please use proper grammar and punctuation. It's a rule here, and it's also easier to understand you that way. Second, well, yes, I understand that some people do it for the prize and others do it for the "work." (I don't call it work, I call it adventure. BTW, that "work" thing I'm talking about isn't, like, working on a school project. Something more meaningful that you might not understand.) This is why I said it was a matter of opinion.

So, unless you wanna argue with me about proper grammar and such, us two are done debating here. :lol:
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can somebody tell me a goal in life that doesn't result in happiness or some kind of just end(I think they all do)

If so, the meaning of life is really to find happiness(Gandi didn't die happy, but the end of his life brought about the world he wanted)

BTW, the road to a goal isn't something you can just say you like. It's inescapably. Human nature decrees that people prefer the goal. It's basic fact. Without a destination, the raod is meaningless(there'd be no motivation to take even a single step)

No matter who you are, there's always an instance when you enjoyed the destination more than the road

For one, it's not neccessarily the prize that brings the need, but what the prize represents. In many ways, materiel worth gives a certain degree of happiness. But moreso is the feeling of victory that comes with it. I think the reason the road is heavily recognized for it's worth is because it takes longer and gives more memories that way(then those many memories become a romantisized image of the entire journey. Not often people reminesse about and romantisize the prize. The rush they get from that is indiscribable)

One thing to mention is that the prize really isn't easy to romantisize. rather than come to the person in memories, the victory is symbolized by the prize, and if anything, that's seen in only a materiel light. The victor isn't able to attach any artificial happiness to it, because it's in their hands right now(physical distraction weakens the mind's ability to think of add-ons, unlike memories, which is done inadvertedly)

if you search, you can probably find a point when you liked the prize far(the happiness from that just happens to be very fleeting. That's why it's called a rush)
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Alucard,May 22 2007
05:30 PM
can somebody tell me a goal in life that doesn't result in happiness or some kind of just end(I think they all do)

If so, the meaning of life is really to find happiness(Gandi didn't die happy, but the end of his life brought about the world he wanted)

BTW, the road to a goal isn't something you can just say you like. It's inescapably. Human nature decrees that people prefer the goal. It's basic fact. Without a destination, the raod is meaningless(there'd be no motivation to take even a single step)

No matter who you are, there's always an instance when you enjoyed the destination more than the road

For one, it's not neccessarily the prize that brings the need, but what the prize represents. In many ways, materiel worth gives a certain degree of happiness. But moreso is the feeling of victory that comes with it. I think the reason the road is heavily recognized for it's worth is because it takes longer and gives more memories that way(then those many memories become a romantisized image of the entire journey. Not often people reminesse about and romantisize the prize. The rush they get from that is indiscribable)

One thing to mention is that the prize really isn't easy to romantisize. rather than come to the person in memories, the victory is symbolized by the prize, and if anything, that's seen in only a materiel light. The victor isn't able to attach any artificial happiness to it, because it's in their hands right now(physical distraction weakens the mind's ability to think of add-ons, unlike memories, which is done inadvertedly)

if you search, you can probably find a point when you liked the prize far(the happiness from that just happens to be very fleeting. That's why it's called a rush)

I read your whole post, and I'm sorry to go off topic, but I just have to ask, Why is everything you post so looooooooong? I mean everything you say is an essay! :lol: I didn't mean to offend you but I hardly read that whole thing! I'm sorry. :(
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