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| Politicians and War | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 19 2007, 09:52 AM (576 Views) | |
| frodowise | Jul 19 2007, 09:52 AM Post #1 |
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Uber Soldant
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EDIT: If the mods want to delete this because nobody posts, please feel free to do so. I wanted to see what you guys thought about politicians making the important descisions during war. For example, the incident in Mogadishu in 1993, where two American Black Hawks were shot down during a hostage taking mission. The general in charge of the mission had requested at least two Spectre gunships (which could likely have leveled the whole fracking city) to be backup support in case things went wrong. However, because Washington didn't want to have America entering all-out war with Somalia (or something of that nature...I can't remember the exact wording the general used when describing why) by showing that kind of firepower, the request was denied. Thus, instead of having the two (or more) gunships secure the crash sites the general had to send in the Rangers and Delta Force soldiers who had been sent on the original hostage mission. Over the course of the 18 hours of combat, 19 American soldiers died. To put icing on this wonderful political bungle, President Clinton :domo: :domo: pulls all troops out of Somalia only a short time later, making the brave sacrifices of those soldiers and the efforts of all the other soldiers who had survived pointless. It just seems to me that a person who has no idea what a soldier goes through shouldn't tell him what backup or equipment or intel he should or should not have for some idiot political reason. |
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| Alucard | Sep 6 2007, 03:08 PM Post #2 |
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Konoka-ness Master (army of one XD)
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I suppose this deserves to move The nature of war is efficiancy, and the nature of effeiciancy is professionalism, while the nature of professionalism is to be objective. As such, the human isn't a good place to go(They're too opinionated). Something to notice is that most politicians are usually very passionate people (that, or the exact opposite). So, they're not the best to make any descisions. The nature of the politician is order during peace. The nature of the general is order during war After all, a man in a suit only sees the lives lost as a statistic |
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| shiryu-ryu | Sep 6 2007, 09:48 PM Post #3 |
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>: D (at last) i learned how to do this too~~!!!
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I think: War is stupid. Politicians are even more stupid since they started the war and seem to not know how to end it. In the end, we pay for they're mistakes. Though in a way, someone who isn't trying to become a politician and help settle the thing himself like he think it should be, dosen't deserve to complain... |
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| DeathkaiserG | Sep 7 2007, 06:04 AM Post #4 |
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Yes, but we can avoid this Stupidness because of some selfish people trying to take over the world |
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| Zaroff | Sep 7 2007, 06:08 AM Post #5 |
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I don't think the government (in America at least) is in proper working order to make any choices. Ideally politicians are elected to look out for the interest of the people during both times of peace and war. A democratic government should exist for the people. But unfortunately in America, the government exist for itself and the people are left to the wind. |
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| Asril_Mertos | Sep 7 2007, 05:52 PM Post #6 |
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Yamaxanadu
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In this modern day wars seems not to be fought for national pride but for profit. Lives lost are statistics while the opposing force is not treated as such but as merely an obstacle in the path of ultimate victory. Politicians have shaped war into this. On the battlefield honor and pride once meant something and the knights and soldiers who took to the battlefield were conferred great respect. Now honor and pride mean nothing in the big picture and soldiers are but a playing pieces for politicians to move on the playing field. As long as the casualties don't reach the maximum limit politicians could really care less about the cost in human lives they pay to get the most profit. |
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| shiryu-ryu | Sep 7 2007, 05:54 PM Post #7 |
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>: D (at last) i learned how to do this too~~!!!
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I don't think anybody's trying to take over the world..... at least for now.....they're just fighting for stupid reasons like respect and other stupid stuff....
D: it's the same in Israel only worse + we're still in war..... seriously, all our leaders are like using they're power in order to get more money for themselves rather than using it to take care for the million's of things the state owe the citizens~!! that seriously piss me off~~!!!EDIT:
Profit? Like what? And I think nobody cares for the enemys lives in any war in the history... btw, I think a politician would probably not get the authority to be responsible for casualities if he were to not care if they'll die or not at all..... |
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| Asril_Mertos | Sep 7 2007, 06:08 PM Post #8 |
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Resources. Oil, silver, gold. Dozens of wars have been fought for resouces. While it can be said that the enemy's lives are not cared for, their capabilities,skill and sheer determination are often underestimated. Governments are the people who ultimately call the shots in war. Without politicians in government and the income they generate an army wouldn't be able to function. Its a symbiotic relationship. Politicians use the military as a PR device while the militaries rely on the politicians to generate income among other things. Also politicians have been known to hire PMCs to fight in areas that would cause too much international controversy if regular military forces were sent in. |
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| Zaroff | Sep 7 2007, 06:19 PM Post #9 |
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The opening lines to Fallout is relevant enough to post right now...
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| Alucard | Sep 7 2007, 06:23 PM Post #10 |
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Konoka-ness Master (army of one XD)
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haven't I ever said before? The ultimate reason for war is fear You can never eliminate that, so the greed goes on... |
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| Zaroff | Sep 7 2007, 06:25 PM Post #11 |
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Pretty sure Hitler didn't have a lot to fear :3 |
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| Alucard | Sep 7 2007, 06:29 PM Post #12 |
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Konoka-ness Master (army of one XD)
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sure he did. He was a sad, little man :3 |
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| Asril_Mertos | Sep 7 2007, 06:29 PM Post #13 |
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Yamaxanadu
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there was always the fact that although he was an anti-semitist he was part Jewish... then his increased paranoia in later years... but Alucard is right... Wars over resouces are fought over fear of not receiving any. Wars over religion are fought under fear of being forced under a new religion. Wars for independence are fought under fear of living under tyranny. Fear is both a powerful ally and one of humanities worst antagonists... |
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| Alucard | Sep 7 2007, 06:31 PM Post #14 |
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Konoka-ness Master (army of one XD)
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Like I said... |
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| Asril_Mertos | Sep 7 2007, 06:31 PM Post #15 |
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Yamaxanadu
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sorry bout that Alucard... I was still typing when you posted...
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I don't think anybody's trying to take over the world..... at least for now.....
seriously, all our leaders are like using they're power in order to get more money for themselves rather than using it to take care for the million's of things the state owe the citizens~!! that seriously piss me off~~!!!

3:48 AM Jul 11