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Politicians and War
Topic Started: Jul 19 2007, 09:52 AM (580 Views)
Zaroff
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Asril_Mertos,Sep 7 2007
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Zaroff,Sep 7 2007
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Alucard,Sep 7 2007
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haven't I ever said before? The ultimate reason for war is fear

You can never eliminate that, so the greed goes on...

Pretty sure Hitler didn't have a lot to fear :3

there was always the fact that although he was an anti-semitist he was part Jewish... then his increased paranoia in later years...

But did he start the war out of fear?
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Zaroff,Sep 7 2007
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Asril_Mertos,Sep 7 2007
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Zaroff,Sep 7 2007
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Alucard,Sep 7 2007
06:23 PM
haven't I ever said before? The ultimate reason for war is fear

You can never eliminate that, so the greed goes on...

Pretty sure Hitler didn't have a lot to fear :3

there was always the fact that although he was an anti-semitist he was part Jewish... then his increased paranoia in later years...

But did he start the war out of fear?

he certainly did build an army using it (quessentially, of course. On the surface, there were many reasons for his calculating charisma)

would he have been able to bring the broken english into a formidible military force unless he'd brought fear upon them (Effectively, every kind of need to fight is born from a single fear)
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Alucard,Sep 7 2007
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Zaroff,Sep 7 2007
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Asril_Mertos,Sep 7 2007
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Zaroff,Sep 7 2007
06:25 PM
Alucard,Sep 7 2007
06:23 PM
haven't I ever said before? The ultimate reason for war is fear

You can never eliminate that, so the greed goes on...

Pretty sure Hitler didn't have a lot to fear :3

there was always the fact that although he was an anti-semitist he was part Jewish... then his increased paranoia in later years...

But did he start the war out of fear?

he certainly did build an army using it (quessentially, of course. On the surface, there were many reasons for his calculating charisma)

Anger, not fear.
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anger is a compound emotion created from fear. Psycologists agree
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Alucard,Sep 7 2007
06:47 PM
Zaroff,Sep 7 2007
04:34 PM
Asril_Mertos,Sep 7 2007
06:29 PM
Zaroff,Sep 7 2007
06:25 PM
Alucard,Sep 7 2007
06:23 PM
haven't I ever said before? The ultimate reason for war is fear

You can never eliminate that, so the greed goes on...

Pretty sure Hitler didn't have a lot to fear :3

there was always the fact that although he was an anti-semitist he was part Jewish... then his increased paranoia in later years...

But did he start the war out of fear?

he certainly did build an army using it (quessentially, of course. On the surface, there were many reasons for his calculating charisma)

true... he did use the german peoples fear of becoming and staying weak to his advantage... One could also argue that he started the war out of fear of not proving his country and his people's superiority...
(btw:nice job on reviving this Alucard...)
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Asril_Mertos,Sep 7 2007
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Alucard,Sep 7 2007
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Zaroff,Sep 7 2007
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Asril_Mertos,Sep 7 2007
06:29 PM
Zaroff,Sep 7 2007
06:25 PM
Alucard,Sep 7 2007
06:23 PM
haven't I ever said before? The ultimate reason for war is fear

You can never eliminate that, so the greed goes on...

Pretty sure Hitler didn't have a lot to fear :3

there was always the fact that although he was an anti-semitist he was part Jewish... then his increased paranoia in later years...

But did he start the war out of fear?

he certainly did build an army using it (quessentially, of course. On the surface, there were many reasons for his calculating charisma)

true... he did use the german peoples fear of becoming and staying weak to his advantage... One could also argue that he started the war out of fear of not proving his country and his people's superiority...

read my quote post up there. If you look really hard at it, you'll find that all war is fear. All of it :nod:

PS:Wonder where frodowise is? :?
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Alucard,Sep 7 2007
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anger is a compound emotion created from fear. Psycologists agree

A lot of Psychologist also disagree on that, and think that fear is an instinct and not an emotion at all.
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Alucard,Sep 7 2007
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Asril_Mertos,Sep 7 2007
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Alucard,Sep 7 2007
06:47 PM
Zaroff,Sep 7 2007
04:34 PM
Asril_Mertos,Sep 7 2007
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Zaroff,Sep 7 2007
06:25 PM
Alucard,Sep 7 2007
06:23 PM
haven't I ever said before? The ultimate reason for war is fear

You can never eliminate that, so the greed goes on...

Pretty sure Hitler didn't have a lot to fear :3

there was always the fact that although he was an anti-semitist he was part Jewish... then his increased paranoia in later years...

But did he start the war out of fear?

he certainly did build an army using it (quessentially, of course. On the surface, there were many reasons for his calculating charisma)

true... he did use the german peoples fear of becoming and staying weak to his advantage... One could also argue that he started the war out of fear of not proving his country and his people's superiority...

read my quote post up there. If you look really hard at it, you'll find that all war is fear. All of it :nod:

PS:Wonder where frodowise is? :?

true...you're right... war stems from fear... no other reason. any other reason is still rooted in fear. but frodowise only comes on occasionaly.. not the most post-frequent member of MA...
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But did he start the war out of fear?

Im not sure if I remember correctly but he started the war because before it Germany was beaten by some other state in another war and was considered rather weak and her pride got pretty low too, so he started the war in order to regain pride and after seeing how easly he conqured places he got blind with power and started fighting almost everyone to incress the german empire even more...

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there was always the fact that although he was an anti-semitist he was part Jewish... then his increased paranoia in later years... but Alucard is right... Wars over resouces are fought over fear of not receiving any. Wars over religion are fought under fear of being forced under a new religion. Wars for independence are fought under fear of living under tyranny. Fear is both a powerful ally and one of humanities worst antagonists...

Actually, wars about religion is not always out of fear since sometimes some important religious guy tells he's religious minions to attack others, saying they are sinners and it is a good-did, in order to force them on he's religion or to show how better he's religion from the others or like i said before, he just use he's power to get into fights........

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read my quote post up there. If you look really hard at it, you'll find that all war is fear. All of it

I think there's more to it than just fear, like greed.
Usually greed is the reason a war starts while fear is developped in the process.
like let's say:
Hitler made a war out of he's greed, and so, he made others fear in order to help him and in the process most of those who were attacked fought back in fear that he'll destroy them.
I also think there are a few more things beside fear and greed but I can't think of any right now...
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I think if we're going to put an emotion with wars, we should just go with hate.
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Hate stems from fear. People hate that which they don't understand. When they don't understand it they fear it. After they fear something it is only a matter of time before they hate it.
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Zaroff,Sep 7 2007
04:53 PM
A lot of Psychologist also disagree on that, and think that fear is an instinct and not an emotion at all.

Survival is the instinct. Fear affects the emotions. Animals fight for survival against dangerous threats. Humans rationalize a threat and fear it. Ration requires them to fear

shiryu-ryu,Sep 7 2007
04:55 PM
Actually, wars about religion is not always out of fear since sometimes some important religious guy tells he's religious minions to attack others, saying they are sinners and it is a good-did, in order to force them on he's religion or to show how better he's religion from the others or like i said before, he just use he's power to get into fights........


no. A good pope sees when someone threatens his faith or his influence, so he sends a bunch of palidins to go deal with it

The people fear when they see doubt in their faith's leader, so they go out to destroy what worrys the leader

and yes, Asril is right. It's an agreed principle. Fear and happiness are the only two emotions while every other one is a compound of those two
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Asril_Mertos,Sep 7 2007
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Hate stems from fear. People hate that which they don't understand. When they don't understand it they fear it. After they fear something it is only a matter of time before they hate it.

My hate doesn't stem from fear.
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Zaroff,Sep 7 2007
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My hate doesn't stem from fear.

*thinks a little about it* oh yeah... you're an exception in the case...for most others hate is simply an evolution of their fear...
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*thinks a little about it* oh yeah... you're an exception in the case...for most others hate is simply an evolution of their fear...

What about me?
I too don't hate things because of fear only....
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