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Loli Fanservice Lovers; Pedo, or not pedo?
Topic Started: Nov 13 2007, 06:14 PM (2,253 Views)
nanaimoanimefan
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Age of consent in Canada is actually 14. There has also been talk about the Government raising it to 16. Which is a good idea in my opinion.
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Then how did I learn that bit of info then? Huh..... *shrugs* Eitherway, we have retarted laws for this kinda thing.....
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The first post in this thread is basically an excuse for being a pedophile. No offense. Thinking little children are cute and obsessing over them is basically pedophilia. Giving this subject a cute name like "Loli" or "Moe" basically degrades the seriousness of this problem.
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I didn't take offense, as I said in my post; "I might be taken for a pedo for this post".

I didn't say little children, I did however say lolis.

Lolis for me is anime character around the age of <14.

If this was what you meant to, then yes, you may call me me a pedo from your view, beacause god damn... Those lolis are cute XD I don't obsess over them though...

And indeed, loli is a cute name XD
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My major problem with America's way of designating "pedophilia" is that it doesn't differentiate between some rat bastard son of a bitch who likes five year olds and a guy a month older than his girlfriend having sex with her on his eighteenth birthday. The REAL pedophiles? Kill them with fire. The latter case? For pete's sake, stop following the letter of the law rather than the intent.
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Lolicon hides under the idea that because it is drawn, it is all fantasy, sweet and cute. Anime has always been associated with fantasy - everything from the ever popular Sci-fi Akira to slice-of-life anime like Azumanga Daioh. Thus, should this be treated any differently? Yes it should.

Unlike Akira and Azumanga Daioh which promote seemingly harmless material, Loli anime can be seen as a pre-requisite to child pornography. This is the line that is drawn. If we have an element in a story that portrays something as abridged as child pornography, then yes, it is incorrect.

Despite this, we are talking about an extreme case here. It is unlikely Jolle will be on the 6.30 news with the title "Wild Swedish Pedophile Detained with 20 Cartons of Illegal Child Porn" splayed across his face. However, there is always that possiblity of someone getting inspired by such lolicon shows and acting upon that inspiration. Perhaps it could happen...so should we risk it just for a show that would turn on a target audience? I think not.

Animes such as Lucky Star do possess characters of a loli-fashion, but I doubt anyone watches it solely because Konata looks how she looks. Personally, I loved Lucky Star because it created the perfect; almost realistic otaku that we all have inside us (well, most of us). Thus, if you watch an anime contains loli characters just to whack off, you're doing it wrong. If you watch it for some other reason, then it's allowable.

Summing up:
Loli-characters = OK because there is nothing wrong with being drawn in that particular style. Konata is not created to induce erections, thus it is ok
Loli-characters with sexual implications = Not Ok because they have been drawn in a style which suggests child porn/sex. Konata's presence may induce erections for certain people, but IT IS THOSE PEOPLES FAULT. Intent must be clean, or else it's not ok.
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nanaimoanimefan
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Very, very well put..... :sweat: I have nothing else to say because that was perfect.
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Indeed... Indeed it was

IN AFTER THREAD IS ENDED
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Jollepoker,Nov 19 2007
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I didn't take offense, as I said in my post; "I might be taken for a pedo for this post".

I didn't say little children, I did however say lolis.

Lolis for me is anime character around the age of <14.

If this was what you meant to, then yes, you may call me me a pedo from your view, beacause god damn... Those lolis are cute XD I don't obsess over them though...

And indeed, loli is a cute name XD

Well, by little children, I meant around 13 and under, which is where most loli is based.

And loli is a cute name, which degrades the whole seriousness of the situation. That's like calling rape, "spreading the love" or something. It turns a bad, evil situation into something funny, cute. So, my point being that the whole cute name thing is bad.
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aigu92,Nov 20 2007
06:59 PM
That's like calling rape, "spreading the love" or something.

Hahaha oh wow
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I prefer the term "surprise sex".
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Well, by little children, I meant around 13 and under, which is where most loli is based.

=.= So like... you were a "little child" 2 years ago?


D : I dunno about you guys but I think unless it's a kid at the age of 11 or younger, it's not really pedoish but rather relationship with great age diffrences.
And I mean "relationship with great age diffrences" as in I see it the same way as a 17 year-old girl dating this 22 year-old guy, although in a more childish version.

D : You may dislike such pairings (I myself don't preticulary like them) but that dosen't really has to do anything matter anymore.

That's my view point on "the age were you can consider the character a loli" matter....
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aigu92,Nov 21 2007
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Jollepoker,Nov 19 2007
02:02 AM
I didn't take offense, as I said in my post; "I might be taken for a pedo for this post".

I didn't say little children, I did however say lolis.

Lolis for me is anime character around the age of <14.

If this was what you meant to, then yes, you may call me me a pedo from your view, beacause god damn... Those lolis are cute XD I don't obsess over them though...

And indeed, loli is a cute name XD

Well, by little children, I meant around 13 and under, which is where most loli is based.

And loli is a cute name, which degrades the whole seriousness of the situation. That's like calling rape, "spreading the love" or something. It turns a bad, evil situation into something funny, cute. So, my point being that the whole cute name thing is bad.

Oh, but loli IS cute, funny and childish. Why shouldn't it have a cute name to go along with it? And don't complain, the japanese invented the word, they were the ones that started to use it... Thats what it's called, live with it. We can't just change the name of it to "BLARGH" or something, now can we?

And... we ARE still talking about anime here, are we? D:

Also, I lol'd at the rape part XD
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Rark,Nov 15 2007
12:50 AM
Side note, age of consent in Ontario (maybe all of Canada) is 12. Isn't that luzy?

I read in an article on the BBC news website that there's no age of consent in Japanese law, which makes me wonder if that might be relevant to this discussion?

Anyway, in general, I agree with Raine's post: Loli's ok as long as it stays relatively innocent, and I don't think there's anything wrong with finding a loli character cute. Finding them Sexual Attractive however might require a quick trip to your nearest shrink.

However, I suppose there are always shades of grey. Evangeline would be a great example. She's an exceptionally experienced (old) woman in an 8yr old's body (I think? maybe more, maybe less). She quite obviously has adult feelings and urges, and wears slightly inappropriate clothing on occasion. I think finding Eva arousing in this form is still wrong, but that one might be up for more of a debate. Akamatsu sensei steers away from this issue somewhat by using Eva's adult version for the most suggestive of her actions.

That said, Eva's most suggestive actions are usually aimed straight at Negi, which opens up another can o' worms...
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Dystant,Nov 21 2007
12:56 PM
I read in an article on the BBC news website that there's no age of consent in Japanese law, which makes me wonder if that might be relevant to this discussion?

Japan DOES have an age of consent law - officially it's 14 nationwide, but most prefectures have additional laws that raise it to 16.
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