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Loli Fanservice Lovers; Pedo, or not pedo?
Topic Started: Nov 13 2007, 06:14 PM (2,251 Views)
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Gafgar Adolis,Nov 21 2007
02:50 PM
Japan DOES have an age of consent law - officially it's 14 nationwide, but most prefectures have additional laws that raise it to 16.

Just went back and checked the article and the Japanese thing's not there anymore, in fact a loads been taken off and replaced with a the bbc were unable to verify message so it was probably the bbc researchers using wikipedia or somthing again...
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shiryu-ryu,Nov 20 2007
09:53 PM
=.= So like... you were a "little child" 2 years ago?


D : I dunno about you guys but I think unless it's a kid at the age of 11 or younger, it's not really pedoish but rather relationship with great age diffrences.
And I mean "relationship with great age diffrences" as in I see it the same way as a 17 year-old girl dating this 22 year-old guy, although in a more childish version.

D : You may dislike such pairings (I myself don't preticulary like them) but that dosen't really has to do anything matter anymore.

That's my view point on "the age were you can consider the character a loli" matter....

So you don't think there's anything wrong with a fifty-year-old man having sex with a twelve-year-old? And by little child, I guess I meant too young to even know what sex really is.

@Jollepoker: Well, imho, I don't think it's "cute, funny, and childish" to have fetishes about little children. And don't tell me to live with it, mistah! :woah: And, anyway, I'm not complaining just about you guys saying it, I'm complaining about the Japanese saying it too. And why can't we change it to BLARGH? I see no reason why not. It's a free country.
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aigu92,Nov 24 2007
09:11 PM
So you don't think there's anything wrong with a fifty-year-old man having sex with a twelve-year-old?

You're taking his comment entirely out of context and you know it. Of COURSE there's something wrong with that shit. The problem is that an eighteen year-old and a seventeen year-old having sex is viewed as just as bad as the fifty year-old and the twelve year-old in the eyes of the law. Which MAKES NO FRAKKING SENSE.
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aigu92,Nov 25 2007
05:11 AM
@Jollepoker: Well, imho, I don't think it's "cute, funny, and childish" to have fetishes about little children. And don't tell me to live with it, mistah! :woah: And, anyway, I'm not complaining just about you guys saying it, I'm complaining about the Japanese saying it too. And why can't we change it to BLARGH? I see no reason why not. It's a free country.

I'm really confused now... Are you actuly trying your hardest NOT to understand what I say? I'll try to make it more simple

Not in real life children, what I mean is anime characters. You know, those little ones with big eyes.

Fetishes? It's not like I said I wanted one by my side at night... I just said I thought lolis were funny, cute and childish. I have no other intrest in them than that. Basicly, you just told me its wrong to think something is cute thats younger than yourself.

I really don't care if you call loli for BLARGH! or whattever... However, it might be hard for others to understand you, which kinds of destroyes the whole purpose to change the name I think. I mean, the name is already good, right? And unless you actuly succeed to change it, I'm afraid you have to live with it.

And once again, I will try to say this once more, just to make it clear:

Anime characters, not in real life children.

You know, that manga-ish art type that shows a little girl, with big eyes, doing cute, funny and childish things. (Well... The ones I'm talking about anyway. Ever seen Ichigo Mashimaro? Like that.)

And if its still unclear;

THIS:

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NOT THIS:

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And if the "THIS:" picture is what you meant by "Little Children" than I misunderstood you, sorry.

(Internet, serious business)

I also think thats really makes no sense whatsoever Gafgar, it shouldn't be viewd as THAT bad, however... That still doesn't make it right (because of the law). Its kind of the same as drive a car 1 year before your allowed to. However... I don't think they should take it that serious. A simple "You may not do that before next year" would be enough I think.

That doesn't change the fact that its just silly for eighteen year-olds and seventeen year-olds not to be able to have sex, I mean... Ohh, what diffrence it makes!

Also, about the Eva thingy... That IS a real damn hard question.

1. She has the body of a child.
2. She is older than anyone else.
3. She can transform into a more mature form.
4. She (as you said) tends to go for Negi.

If shes counted as a child, that means its kind of ok to be close to Negi, however... It would be wrong to do "that". However, is it right for her to do it with anyone else if she transforms into her mature form? I mean... It's kind of just a costume right?

If shes counted as older than anyone else, it really shouldn't matter what she does.

So, what to count her as? Well... If you go with the law, its the age right? So... That would kind of make it ok for her to do it. But that would make her a pedo for going against Negi. Although I think she prefer Nagi, which in my opinion is ok (since she is around... uhh... 300 was it?).

I mean, you can't just tell a 20 year old (for example); "Its wrong for you to have sex" just because this specific 20 year old has the same body as a 12 year old.

This... makes me confused...
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Gafgar Adolis,Nov 24 2007
10:36 PM
You're taking his comment entirely out of context and you know it. Of COURSE there's something wrong with that shit. The problem is that an eighteen year-old and a seventeen year-old having sex is viewed as just as bad as the fifty year-old and the twelve year-old in the eyes of the law. Which MAKES NO FRAKKING SENSE.

I actually wasn't referring to what you said, but to what shiryu said. And yes, I was pointing out the obvious. And I knew it at the time I said it. He said that it's okay for any relationships involving people over 11-years-old, but I chose to disagree, choosing to use the obvious to prove my point.
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What's so difficult about the Eva thing? Anime is nothing but appearances. They can claim Eva is 3 katrillion years old, but she is percieved as a 10 year old in the eyes of the viewer, thus is loli. If she's portrayed having secks, will they care how old she is? Nope.

If she's transformed into Adult Eva, then sure, do watcha want. It's legal in appearance so go have a shot if you want.

This is what happens when you draw anime into a RL context - and which is what most people do. That's why people think loli is wrong; because its RL equivalent is children. What they look like is what they are. It's all about the appearances in anime.

When i look up at Ichigo that Jolle posted, I'm saying that is a grade 6 minimum. Am I correct? Probably not, but it doesn't matter. I percieve her as a grade sixer and if she is drawn having secks, my mind shows me a picture of a grade sixer having sex. INCORRECT.

The crux of the argument is that, although they are animation, they can still be seen as a precursor to child porn. Since child porn is illegal, loli characters are cutting it close.
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To add to the Eva topic:

I KNOW people older than 18 that are often mistaken for 12 years old or so.

Are people not allowed to be attracted to them? D:
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My 2 cents

Anime Loli: Fictional characters only have as much meaning as you give them and the clear distinction is that the only age they have is the age we give them.

Lolis IRL: GROSS GET AWAY FROM ME!
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I didn't mean that girls in Ichigo Mashimaro should/has had sex lol. That would be disturbing indeed. I just took them for example when I said; cute, funny and childish.

Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8hSbnNAvcA&feature=related

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