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Global Warming Fact Or Fiction!
Topic Started: May 28 2008, 04:43 AM (397 Views)
FuckAss
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Ok folks time to bust the myth that is global warming.


If you believe in global warming please by all means go read some books about our sun, the primary heating lamp in our solar system. As late 1998 to early 1999 As solar Science started to emerge as a legit sub division of universal studies, Solar Scientist warmed that the Earth would be bombarded by higher activity of Solar Activity as our Sun started to enter its 11 year cycle of higher activity.

That means increases of sun spots. If you know what a sun spot is... then good for you for those who dont know they are spots on the sun that are lower temperature but due to this the magnetic fields that these spots produce as they are born 2 at a time create more heat at the corona of the sun (the aura around the sun if you ever seen a solar eclipse) known as coronal mass ejections or in lamence terms Solar Flares.

Flares that can disrupt our Sattlite networks due to insufficient EM shielding. As these flares erupt they discharge huge amounts of plasma that hurdles towards the earth even though it dissipates the residual heat from those ejections is enough to warm the earth.

But lets not kid ourselves, Global warming started somewhere in the 80's. Didnt really take center stage until the Al Gore took up the charge.

Still even back in the 70's there was consideration that the Earth was entering a ice age as severe cold temperatures hit the US as well other countries.

The thing is there are some places on Earth where its cooler then normal and otheres where its hotter then normal.

We are not sitting on a dead core people. The Earth's core is a moltant core of Nickle-Iron that still has heat and is rotating as we speak.

Ok simple experiment take a slugger(marble) and warm it up for a minute, then place a thin blanket over it you will feel the heat. The Earth Has layers but still the heat radiates upwards and by the time it gets to the crust it still has a bit of residual heat from the core.

Heat is a need if the Atlantic Conveyor Current stops the Earth will slip into an ice age as luke warm water is needed to act as anti-freeze for the planet.

A Every Human and Animal puts out more Carbon Dioxide then all the Cars combined in the world. As reparation is a constant need to live, if you want to stop a Cars CO2 turn the damn thing off.

A Car may put out double the CO2 then 1 Human but thats for what 4 hrs a day where a Human constantly breathes 24hrs a day 365 days a year for 40+ years.


Recycling certain materials is more cost effective then creating new materials from scratch.

New Paper is now expensive compared to Recycle Paper(depending on the paper).
Metals recycled are cheaper then Virgin Metals

Plastics are in fact the most expensive to to recycle and create as new depending on the plastic.


There are myths, Global warming is a sham, theres no real proof that in the next 10 years the Earth will be 3 Degrees warmer. All we know once 2011 starts to roll around the Earth will get cooler and we'll be calling it a Mini Ice age.


The Solar System, Earth are dynamic ecosystems, The Weather will always change it cannot be predicted.

If We do move to alternative energies, its because its cheaper to buy hybrid or electric cars or products compared to their Fossil Fuel counterparts.

New and used items will always be used espically metals as alloying of Virgin metal is easier then alloying recycled metals.



IN the end our transition to the so called 'green' products will be due to economics not due to us wanting to save our planet.
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heyoo
. well i think. whatever the sciences say (or relious sayings), think about this.

im very sure the world will end will end one day. i mean, how many have really thought about this? it's just that we dont know when, or whatever the reason. but global warming is enough to tell you, that we should start saving the earth.

no, we're not saving the world. we're trying to decrease the speed of reaching the end of world. tell me, can global warming be eliminated?

no disasters can be brought to an end, except maybe when we try to damp the causes and effects.

so yup, stop looking forward to the future, but live your today to the fullest.

side-track; that's why i ve always feel that the culture of carrying family's surname is like, hello, impossible to be carried all the way. one day it's gonna end, and we can be pretty sure of that. so why bother giving so much trouble. chey.

whatever the may be the cause of END OF WORLD, i think it's really time to accept that yea, earth will say goodbye. meanwhile, enjoy.

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PinkMuffin,May 28 2008
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side-track; that's why i ve always feel that the culture of carrying family's surname is like, hello, impossible to be carried all the way. one day it's gonna end, and we can be pretty sure of that. so why bother giving so much trouble. chey.

whatever the may be the cause of END OF WORLD, i think it's really time to accept that yea, earth will say goodbye. meanwhile, enjoy.

LOL SINGAPOREAN, NO?

On the matter of global warming: I don't know enough to prove what he says is wrong. And since it makes sense, I believe this might also be a cause and there might not be global warming at all. But I have to wait for 2011 to see if it's really true -.-

On the matter of End of World: Yah same here. LOL, totally thinks that the world will end at 2050. I don't know why either. And the other day, my friend told me, everything in this world is a cycle. From nothing it turned into something. It will turn from somthing back to nothing again. I think so too ;3

Well, just enjoy life. And treat Global Warming like some sort of daily/moving sauna where you get to perspire and lose some water/weight.
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yes. haha. singaporean.

it's just sad why problems are occuring everywhere. a bit why they dont want to cherish life. yea, life's a karma. isnt karma a subset of the newtonian laws?

principle of conservation of energy, input=output.
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The World wont end its conjecture to believe if it will.


Even if WW3 hits there will be some survivors. the only way the planet will be destroyed or the human race will die off is via the sun and that wont happen in 2.5 billion years when the sun starts entering its older state.


By that time we'll all be dead. and our offspring will probably be out in the stars on different worlds already.
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http://www.break.com/index/tough-to-argue.html

Things like "global warming" are touchy subjects. There is always some new element of research, some new correlation, whatever, being brought up over the years. Give the video a look. Zero sum games make everything nice and simple.
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Ok folks time to bust the myth that Kazuki has made a well informed opinion and subsequent statement.


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If you believe in global warming please by all means go read some books about our sun, the primary heating lamp in our solar system. As late 1998 to early 1999 As solar Science started to emerge as a legit sub division of universal studies, Solar Scientist warmed that the Earth would be bombarded by higher activity of Solar Activity as our Sun started to enter its 11 year cycle of higher activity.

That means increases of sun spots. If you know what a sun spot is... then good for you for those who dont know they are spots on the sun that are lower temperature but due to this the magnetic fields that these spots produce as they are born 2 at a time create more heat at the corona of the sun (the aura around the sun if you ever seen a solar eclipse) known as coronal mass ejections or in lamence terms Solar Flares.

Flares that can disrupt our Sattlite networks due to insufficient EM shielding. As these flares erupt they discharge huge amounts of plasma that hurdles towards the earth even though it dissipates the residual heat from those ejections is enough to warm the earth.


Oh you've done it. You've disproved global warming in three scientifically devastating paragraphs. I mean, for years scientist have thought that the Earth was getting warming due to some magical process where CO2 simply generated heat. Good thing you cracked that the sun of all things has been sending heat waves into our atmosphere. Now scientist can focus their resources on finding out why the heat doesn't go back through CO2 and all those other greenhouse gases after it bounces off the Earths surface.

Even though the rest of your argument so elegantly disproves global warming, I think before I go on I should mention that global warming means the Earth is getting warmer, period. It doesn't necessarily mean that its for any reason. In fact I could go further and say that most scientist call it Global Climate Change now.

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But lets not kid ourselves, Global warming started somewhere in the 80's. Didnt really take center stage until the Al Gore took up the charge.



Woah, revelation for sure! All this time I had thought that the earth had been warming since about 100 years ago when we got out of that "Little Ice Age". The fact that the Earth's average temperature has raised almost 1°F over the last 100 years must be a sham knowing now that people have only noticed and studied it for 28 years. You're a super slooth. Even Carmen San Diego wouldn't be able to hide from your superior inquisitive senses.

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Still even back in the 70's there was consideration that the Earth was entering a ice age as severe cold temperatures hit the US as well other countries.


Thank the lord for empirical observations, amirite?


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The thing is there are some places on Earth where its cooler then normal and otheres where its hotter then normal.


This is where the global climate change thing I talked about would have been important, had I not walked head first into an argument I couldn't win.

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We are not sitting on a dead core people. The Earth's core is a moltant core of Nickle-Iron that still has heat and is rotating as we speak.


This is a irrefutable scientific fact! 8D

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Ok simple experiment take a slugger(marble) and warm it up for a minute, then place a thin blanket over it you will feel the heat. The Earth Has layers but still the heat radiates upwards and by the time it gets to the crust it still has a bit of residual heat from the core.

Again, now that you have made this fact known to the scientific community we can spend more time trying to find out why those pesky "green house gases" are keeping the heat in and not letting it out, much like a green house should. Also I didn't know that molten metal and marbles were essentially the same thing.

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Heat is a need if the Atlantic Conveyor Current stops the Earth will slip into an ice age as luke warm water is needed to act as anti-freeze for the planet.
This point strengthens your argument that global warming doesn't exist.

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A Every Human and Animal puts out more Carbon Dioxide then all the Cars combined in the world. As reparation is a constant need to live, if you want to stop a Cars CO2 turn the damn thing off.

A Car may put out double the CO2 then 1 Human but thats for what 4 hrs a day where a Human constantly breathes 24hrs a day 365 days a year for 40+ years.

Not many people know this, but CO2 is the only greenhouse gas. Water vapor, methane, CFC-12, and Nitrous oxide are all harmless and are in no way made in larger quantities that CO2. Those giant cattle ranches and rice farms that produce methane in excess has no affect on the green house gas levels, at all.

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There are myths, Global warming is a sham, theres no real proof that in the next 10 years the Earth will be 3 Degrees warmer. All we know once 2011 starts to roll around the Earth will get cooler and we'll be calling it a Mini Ice age.


This is mostly true. I've heard people say 2°F over the next 100 year. but surly those rouge scientist who say 3°F by 2011 disprove it all!

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The Solar System, Earth are dynamic ecosystems, The Weather will always change it cannot be predicted.


SOMEBODY CALL THE ASTRONOMERS, GEOLOGIST, AND METEOROLOGIST; THEIR LIVES ARE LIES.


PROTIP: KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ARGUING AGAINST BEFORE YOU DO SO.

and I think you missed the point of recycling.

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Even if WW3 hits there will be some survivors. the only way the planet will be destroyed or the human race will die off is via the sun and that wont happen in 2.5 billion years when the sun starts entering its older state.


The only way things can become extinct is by falling into the sun, true story.
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It isn't happening, Becuz, the earth does not exist
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Surely one day the earth will become like mars or other planets.
The earth exist and here we are.

Here's what I know what makes global warming such a serious issue now.
1st, cars.
I feel us humans are so bad. Because the source of oil is coming from our beloved mother earth. But we're killing her using that. Carbon Dioxide released everyday and caused the Ozone's hole to enlarge by the second.
2nd, air-conditions.
Air-conditions also help killing the Ozone. I just know it does that. Don't know what kill it.
3rd, hair sprays.
I personally think hair sprays also playing the role to kill out the Ozone. I read this from book >_>

That's what I think. Kinda useless. But I just wanna share my opinion with you guys.
Let's start recycling!!



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Zaroff really, where do you stand, do you stand on the side that believes that CO2 a common gas that only makes up .0038% of the Earth's atmosphere is the cause for a sudden shift in the the rise of temperatures.

Honestly that comes off to be very suspicious in all science. I mean during the age of the dinosaurs the temperatures were actually a hell of a lot hotter then the temperature now. There was of course more of the higher gases like Nitrogen, Argon, Water vapor, Methane and Sulfur Dioxide with very little Oxygen.

The Earth's atmosphere comprises of 78% Nitrogen, 20% Oxygen, 1% Argon, 1% Water vapor and .002% Other gases and .0038% CO2.

How can we say that CO2 the most COMMON gas on our planet causes Global warming.

Then look who has the most to gain from forcing this stupid science that is global warming which is all the 'green' companies. As of now its impractical and costs way too much to put up wind turbines, solar cells, pr other items that would be so called green when they cost double then the standard.


Its simple science and those who are bringing it up don't have much of a real leg on because its unproven. Its not even a theory stuff like the past during the Triassic and other periods before the KT boundary have shown the Earth was hotter as well the Earth's temperature fluctuates every so often its natural. If the planet gets hot then how come people are worried about the Atlantic Water Conveyor Belt is slowing down as that is a sign the planet may enter an ice age. Or how come theres no significant rise in temperature in Antarctica. Theres just no real proof or in a better sense not enough to really prove that the whole planet is heading into a 5 degree meltdown, I mean theres not enough and all thats being said now is not enough to force every person to go green and pay more then normal.
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I personally think that global warming is not as big a deal as people make it out to be.

According to environmentalists five years ago, the polar ice caps should be half-gone by now, and the oceans should've swallowed up some states. People get too fervent about this. Same with bird flu, and we all know how big an issue that is right NOW.

Global warming is NOT a destructive force that will kill all of humanity. It is NOT highly accelerated, and it is NOT going to affect anyone very soon at all. It's a very slow process, one that will take hundreds or thousands of years to finish.
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that's why. a lot of things take time. and so, it's gonna be long. still, there is an end.
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Woah woah, jumping the gun a bit here. If you want to read this wall, it may offer some insight into this.

CO2 is an very nice substance to use to portray the effects of "Global warming" by because of it's enormous growths in the part few years. It conveys to the public simply the drastic effects of Global Warming - an effective marketing tool, if you will.

If anything, lots of CO2 is good. It triggers photosynthesis in plants and effectively creates more oxygen for us to breathe. Obviously, high levels are dangerous to us, but to plants, an increased concentration in CO2 increases the rate of photosynthesis and thus, production of oxygen. But super dangerous levels are unwanted.

The reason why CO2 is marketed to us because it is something tangible that the wider audience can work with. The reduction of fossil fuels can be done simply - just by not driving a car or leaving powerpoints on. Simple, domestic procedures which are the average joe can perform to help stop this "Global Warming".

But if you want a problem that's concerning air pollution and the sun which maybe a little more interesting and fast, here it is! Much like Global Warming, this can screw us over. The same greenhouse gasses which are causes Global Warming are causing this. Therefore, if they were not doing their job and causing THIS, they would be unable to carry out Global Warming. However, unfortunately, this concept of Ozone depletion is correct.

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Although not intrinsically linked, I'd like to talk about the Ozone Depletion. It is probably a little worse than global warming. It is even sometimes linked to Global Warming in the media (but that's sorta...iffy lol).

There is a far worse chemical that inhabits the air is CFC or Chlorofluorocarbons in which are responsible to destroying the barrier in which protects us from the Sun. This is main antagonistic chemical when you are talking about matters concerning the sun.

CFC's are produced from our fridges and air conditioners - it's the little watery part inside. They are also found in deodorant and other spray can things. They are also used as foaming agents in the production of polystyrene foam plastics and a few other insulation/packing materials.

The thing that protects us from the sun warming us up is the Ozone Layer. It is a layer made up of chemicals called, ironically, Ozone (O3). This little chemical lives high up in the stratosphere, which is good because it is dangerous to us. However, it acts as a barrier or filter to prevent the super harmful UV rays from entering the earth and subsequently, warming up the inhabitants of the earth.

When released into the atmosphere, they rise up and destroy the O3 layer. This obviously causes the "barrier" or "filter" to be destroyed. CFC's raise into the atmosphere and the UV rays up there cause the Chlorine atom to break off, bind and rip apart the oxygen atoms in the O3 molecule.This effectively destroys the O3 and thus, no protection barrier.

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In all honesty, Global Warming is not a problem that has really hit us in the face. There is a lot of scientists saying that water levels are raising and shit in an attempt to shock us into action. We have already ratified the Kyoto Protocol to help this plight. But it really hasn't exactly driven me to action.

Most people at home don't really pay attention to leaving on the aircon or powerpoints because there are no immediate, apparent destructive ramifications from it (Except maybe the electricity bill! hur hur hur *shot'd*). I know, on a personal level, I haven't done anything to change the way I've been doing things.

Either way, you can say all you want about it not existing. It doesn't really matter because even if you did believe in it, you wouldn't change anything in your daily life to accommodate for this.

But my school wouldn't raise me upon lies would they? Obviously, they don't force me to believe in it, but they want me to grasp the theory and concepts behind Global Warming. And there it is. But surely you cannot accuse my education of being built on nothing but a bed of lies.

But sure, if anyone wants to say that the scientific concept of Global Warming is a sham, be my guest. I don't really care lol
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well I think global warming is a problem for sure, and Raine is exactly right about CFC's which have thankfully been banned because they're really nasty, I think worse than having global warming is having no ozone layer, we'd be extremely screwed if that were to become so thin we wouldn't be able to go outside anymore, and how do you explain the extreme natural disasters as not being a result from global warming? Something has to be causing them and I don't think it's an increase in sunspots, and the world ending is most likely not going to happen, everyone seems to have a different reason for the world ending, it's almost as if we want it to end with all these apocalyptic views..., I'm trying to have an optimistic view,
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If anything, lots of CO2 is good. It triggers photosynthesis in plants and effectively creates more oxygen for us to breathe. Obviously, high levels are dangerous to us, but to plants, an increased concentration in CO2 increases the rate of photosynthesis and thus, production of oxygen. But super dangerous levels are unwanted.


Plants need water more than they need CO2. They photosynthesize from splitting the water. The amount of CO2 doesn't affect them. In fact, some plants can hold off on taking up CO2 until they get enough water first. Look up CAM plants.

If the Earth is heated up by excess CO2, it will evaporate more water, which will heat up the Earth more, and it really won't help the plants.

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The reason why CO2 is marketed to us because it is something tangible that the wider audience can work with. The reduction of fossil fuels can be done simply - just by not driving a car or leaving powerpoints on. Simple, domestic procedures which are the average joe can perform to help stop this "Global Warming".


If the recent price of gas in the US indicates anything, it's that people only understand money.

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We have already ratified the Kyoto Protocol to help this plight.


Nice job, Australia. Too bad the US sucks.

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According to environmentalists five years ago, the polar ice caps should be half-gone by now, and the oceans should've swallowed up some states. People get too fervent about this. Same with bird flu, and we all know how big an issue that is right NOW.


Environmentalists are stupid. But the polar ice caps are still disappearing, and the ocean levels are still rising. Just because they're not rising as fast as environmentalists want them to doesn't mean it's not happening.

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...CO2 a common gas that only makes up .0038% of the Earth's atmosphere is the cause for a sudden shift in the the rise of temperatures.


Well, it's going up, along with methane levels. Maybe the concentration in the atmosphere looks tiny to you, but around 20% of the total greenhouse effect (not in a global warming context, in an actual necessary-functions-of-warming-the-Earth-to-keep-us-alive context) is caused by CO2. The three gases with a higher concentration than CO2, N2, O2, Ar have nothing do with the greenhouse effect in the first place. You could remove those gases, thus shooting up the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere to like 95%, and still have the same greenhouse effect. CH4 causes like 5-9%, water vapor causes 65-70%, and O3 does the rest. 20% is actually a lot of greenhouse effect to contribute to.

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Honestly that comes off to be very suspicious in all science. I mean during the age of the dinosaurs the temperatures were actually a hell of a lot hotter then the temperature now. There was of course more of the higher gases like Nitrogen, Argon, Water vapor, Methane and Sulfur Dioxide with very little Oxygen.


There was oxygen already. There was actually a lot of oxygen by 2.4 billion years ago, well before the dinosaurs. Complex organisms evolved because of the mass abundance of oxygen. It is only simple organisms that can survive in anoxic environments. Get your facts straight.

Yes, the temperature was probably a hell of a lot hotter. There were also no humans. Have fun with your 130 degree weather or worse.

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The Earth's atmosphere comprises of 78% Nitrogen, 20% Oxygen, 1% Argon, 1% Water vapor and .002% Other gases and .0038% CO2.


Right on. Fucking Earth Science.

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How can we say that CO2 the most COMMON gas on our planet causes Global warming.


Maybe you misread an article? Maybe you're misquoting? Maybe it's just yellow journalism like everything else in the world and you should run off and do your own research? It's the most common one contributing to global warming.

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Then look who has the most to gain from forcing this stupid science that is global warming which is all the 'green' companies. As of now its impractical and costs way too much to put up wind turbines, solar cells, pr other items that would be so called green when they cost double then the standard.


Well have fun paying for them when you can't get any other energy source. They'll probably cost quintuple by then. It won't even have anything to do with being green, it'll just be because fossil fuels are gone. Nom nom delicious money.

Look, believe what you want, but here's what I don't get. Why don't you just be green? You can't believe that our actions have absolutely NO impact on the environment. Just help slow it down a notch. Doesn't have to eat your wallet away. You don't have to do anything related to global warming. Just recycle, don't litter, the usual kind of trite habits. Helps save trees, keep waste from showing up in the river, keep animals from choking on wrappers. Unless you believe those are myths too.
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