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| Fate; Does it exist or not? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 10 2008, 11:09 PM (331 Views) | |
| Okami | Aug 10 2008, 11:09 PM Post #1 |
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Well since Yue's corner is where debates about philosopy thrive, I decided to start this topic. Fate, often something that is confused or associated with Destiny, is, by my own definition, a predetermined event in a person's life. Your death, bad things, good things, etc. Now I want to know what you think, does Fate exist or not? Is your life the way it is because it was fated to be, or is your life the way it is, because you chose it to be? Well since I'm the topic creator, I'll start. Fate has always been something of a fascination for me, and in thinking of whether or not it exists, I have to say I believe Fate exists. There are certain things in life of which you have no control. The main thing being what type of environment you grow up in. You cannot choose your parents or your place of birth. You cannot choose your financial status you grow up with, nor can your siblings and relatives. And by the time you have grown to the point where you can finally make your own decisions and try to choose the way you live your life, you have already been influenced by Fate. Your personality and your actions are influenced by the environment you were born in. A person born in poverty will not have the same personality as a person born of wealth. A person born with caring parents will not act the same as one who is born to parent's who neglect them. And the list goes on. Your life is what you make of it, and what influences your decisions is your personality and morals, all which have been influenced by your upbringing which is decided by Fate. So those are my basic thoughts on the matter. Let's here what you have to say. |
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| -[-Book of Mages-]- | Aug 10 2008, 11:25 PM Post #2 |
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I think Fate is real, I mean I can't choose most of the stuff around my life. >:| Though I don't think you can ever use it as an excuse properly, since even though Fate does make you who you are, as in how you think things now, you still make your own choices and things happen because of your choices, so you can't be like "I'm a smoker and suffering from Lung cancer because of Fate, dammit." Since you still chose to smoke, though the environment you grew up in would have a lot to do with the choices you make. Actually now I'm just going in circles. So yeah, I believe Fate exists. |
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| Jollepoker | Aug 10 2008, 11:57 PM Post #3 |
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Yue <3
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Fate for me is something that has already happened. For example: While trying to navigate to some place while driving a car, I turned left instead of right and ended up in the wrong place. I used destiny when I choose to turn left instead of right and the result was fate. People playing chess is often good at predicting fate but it's destiny that makes people do what they do. Fate is but a result of destiny. My opponent might predict that I will move my king after he moved his queen, but instead I move my tower, thus his prediction of fate was wrong. I wouldn't call "I grew up in a bad household" for fate, that is just bad luck. It would've been fate if I would have been able to choose family before I was born though. Only other people can see you being born into a bad household as fate, for example your parents, for them it's fate that you were born. Fate exists, but is hard to control. One might think that the choices you make will change fate, but it's also the choices of others that makes an impact on your fate. It might be easier to say that you are the only one that can change your fate, but the fact that others with fate also exists means that, that saying only is correct if your the only one in the world since my fate might affect yours as well. You can say that fate is the result of destines (is that how it's spelled in plural? lol.) that cross each others paths. If you think that way, it's really complicated, since a bunch of decisions made by people long before you were even born will affect you fate. This post is a collection of thoughts, if it made no sense, I'm sorry. It sounded good while I was thinking about it :P |
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| Dauthi | Aug 11 2008, 12:06 AM Post #4 |
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GUITAR HEROOOOO.
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We refer to fate as something that makes our choices for us. We refer to freedom as the ability to make our own choices. But choice is an illusion that occurs when we are bound by our emotions. If you only make choices according to what you think is right or moral, (or any other mantra you decide on) than there is only one choice. That is fate, but it is also freedom. Surrender your choice and you will be free. For further reading, I recommend the Bhagavad Gita or the Tao. There was also an excellent book on Buddhism I read once, but I can't remember the title. (it was very long and rather generic, something like Spiritual Revelations about Buddhism or something like that) Alternatively, watch the movie No Country for Old Men. |
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| Rark | Aug 11 2008, 01:38 AM Post #5 |
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Your post was nothing but rehashing of what you read, and therefore, no longer your opinion, and invalid. As an answer to Okami's original post, Fate does very much so exist. It would be brainless to suggest otherwise. We are fated to die, and therefore it exists. I personally do not think that fate is as present as others would choose to believe, or, that it exists only in the example I aforementioned example. I do, however, believe there is a cosmic balance in this world, and it must be maintained. About fate, destiny and all those other neat fun things, they are just nice writing tools. As they all are the exact opposite to several philosophies that relate more to me, these aforementioned topics feel foreign in the way they're being used. Everything is quite random actually, and by the way that one lives or outside events will affect ones own life. Okami said that a wealthy kid and an impoverished kid wouldn't have the same personality, I say there's more to it then just that. They're are an infinite amount of possibilities that could lead to overlapping traits in personality between those two children. Things happen, and we control them all. By choosing the one thing (reaction, decision, move) over the other infinite choices, we make our lives and how we live them. |
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| Dauthi | Aug 11 2008, 03:53 AM Post #6 |
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GUITAR HEROOOOO.
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*rolls eyes* It's not like anything we're saying here is original anyway. I believe in what I said. |
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| Asakura Raine | Aug 11 2008, 06:23 AM Post #7 |
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wAIfu Nanasaki amirite
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Fate is just an excuse for stasis and immobility; for not doing the things you really want and an excuse for missed opportunities. It's hard to discern the presence of fate as it means you need to believe in something else controlling your life, which I dislike. Life goes how I influence it. I believe in God, and I don't think that he pre-determines everybody's life, but rather judges the actions I carry out through my life. Oh lol. Believing that life is arbitrary DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS the presence of a greater force controlling us. Fate is the predetermination of your life and thus, unable to be random. If life were random, then it wouldn't be controlled and fated right? I dislike fate because it really highlights the futility of humans and the dependence on everything else and even the resignation to destiny to sort out all your issues. Sounds gay. I like to know that I'm in control and take responsibility for the shit I cause. |
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| Zaroff | Aug 11 2008, 06:28 AM Post #8 |
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Fate is a joke, much like random events. |
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| Alucard | Aug 11 2008, 01:19 PM Post #9 |
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Konoka-ness Master (army of one XD)
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Death & taxes, my friend. Some things are assured. Others - like the prospect of things being predetermined - one great big joke. |
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| Zaroff | Aug 11 2008, 01:33 PM Post #10 |
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Just because something is assured does not make it fate. Everything is caused by something, nothing is set in stone. |
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| Alucard | Aug 11 2008, 02:00 PM Post #11 |
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Konoka-ness Master (army of one XD)
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accept mortality |
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| Zaroff | Aug 11 2008, 03:59 PM Post #12 |
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Yes, I accept my mortality. But the exception of mortality could be over come with science, they're working on it. And even if we don't ever overcome death with science, your death is not set in stone. It could happen any way, any day. |
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| Alucard | Aug 11 2008, 04:23 PM Post #13 |
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Konoka-ness Master (army of one XD)
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As Logic dictates, yes. personally, I don't think we'll do it with science, but someway. PS:we're now delving into existentialism. Best left for another topic. |
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| Zaroff | Aug 11 2008, 04:44 PM Post #14 |
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I think existentialism has a lot to do with what we're talking about in the first place, and should be discussed here. |
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| Regalar | Aug 27 2008, 06:44 AM Post #15 |
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Fate is non-existant. Things arn't set in stone just because they are. God has set some things in stone (death, end of the world) but most other things are ours for the choosing. |
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