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EXP and Staves; Just a few suggestions
Topic Started: May 31 2005, 09:19 PM (193 Views)
Nate
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yeah

1. EXP is too extreme, and severely penalizes those who run events with lots of weak enemies instead of a few strong ones, as well as those who fight somebody two levels lower. The difference isn't that huge. Change the EXP*2 part of the equation to EXP*1.5 or even EXP, and these problems will be allievated (sp).

2. I have two staff suggestions.

1.

Force
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Rank: E
Uses: 45
WEXP: 0.7
Accuracy: 70 + Mag*5 + Skl - EnemyRes*5 - EnemyDistance*2
Range: Mag/10 + 2 (max = 5, min = 2, rounds down)
Effect: Deal Mag + 5 - Res damage to one opponent. Note that because this is a staff, counterattacks are impossible. Likewise, one cannot counterattack with this staff; any counterattacks are done with the equipped weapon. Also note that possible damage dealt (note: DAMAGE, not POWER) caps at 15, and doubles are impossible due to this thing's stavey nature. This should limit "I am a sage and I am using this to get free attacks without any possibility of countering." One interesting aspect of this is that because it uses Res instead of Spd/Luk for dodging, it bypasses the dodging that most speedy characters possess. On the other hand, most speedy characters don't exactly need lots of help taking on the often defensively weak magicians...

2.

Toxify
Staff
Rank: D
Uses: 25
WEXP: 1.0
Accuracy: 50 + Mag*5 + Skl - EnemyRes*5 - EnemyDistance*2
Range: Mag/2, rounded down, like all other status staves.
Effect: Poison the opponent for five turns. Duh.

The force staff is meant to make playing a cleric/troubadour much more...well, much more possible. While it seems good at first, a few crippling weaknesses (weakness 1: no doubling, and it gets worse from there) plague it and prevent it from being overpowered. (One of these is, naturally, there isn't a Steel Force staff...) The second is just a nice staff, and gives a combat D staff, something missing from FE.

So, what'd'ya think?
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KJ456
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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh

Interesting. If we did something about sleep/berserk staves' horrible amount of uses, this could be possible.
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I don't get the first part, but those two staffs are nice!
I... like to... use... "..."...

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OH MY PORK!

If you multiply it by fractions, you end up with fractional EXP...
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Nate
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yeah

Just cut off the .5, then, just like when calculating hit and things like that.
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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh

An admin oughta respond to this.
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I'm not the admin FEABL needs. I'm the one it deserves.

I don't think changing the EXP would be a good idea, 'cuz either people who've been here a long time would get screwed, or new people would get screwed.

As for the Staves... I'm not sure if custom staves would be a good idea, either. Though Staff users do get the short end of the stick.

*will think it over*
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Nate
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yeah

Are you still thinking?

Oh, and about the EXP...what if it was only for events?
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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh

*Is an admin*

I approve of the staff part. Exp flattening event-only seems alright to me.
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yeah

Since you are an admin, could you go look at <shudder>GB's</shudder> topic about weapons on References and edit in these two? It would be nice to have them...
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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh

I don't think my approval is enough. Three outta five admins should do.
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yeah

Oh, okay.

You confuzzled me...

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Feeling spritely.

Oh man, I got this idea for staves after reading one of Shade's RPs. I'd forgotten about it 'til now.

How about, when equipped with a staff, you can whack people with it, thereby damaging them? Each staff could do a different amount of damage.

Examples: Heal staff.

Dmg: 3 + 1/2 Mag. CoH: 95. Crit: 0. Rng: 1. Targets Def, not Res.

Mend staff.

Dmg: 5 + 1/2 Mag. CoH: 90. Crit: 0. Rng: 1. Targets Def, not Res.


Staves would still have their regular healing/silencing/whatevering abilities, and be able to do damage (though not very much.) I thought of this for arena battles, when very few of the staves (except maybe Sleep or Silence) would be helpful. Not all staves would have to be able to do this.

Then there's the question of WEXP. There are two ways we could do this:

1: As normal; staff loses 1 use and the wielder gains WEXP for one use.

or

2: Whacking takes no uses from the staff, but the wielder of the staff gains no WEXP for it.

The second one makes the most sense to me; after all, you wouldn't learn how to shoot an arrow by whacking your opponent over the head with the bow.


Now, this is just a random thought. I really don't expect anything to come of it; just thought I'd bounce it off you guys and see what you thought.

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Feeling spritely.

Oh yes, I almost forgot:

A promoted unit gets 5 EXP for using a Heal staff, regardless of who uses it.

For using a Mend staff: 6 EXP.

Physic: 7 or 11 EXP, I can't remember which.

I only know those three. There's probably a FAQ on GFAQs that has stuff like this in it.
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I like the italics in the post.

"Cleric by Seth"

It sounds like a fancy cologne.


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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh

We do not use FE's exp system, anyway. Or wexp, for that matter. But I prefer Medi's idea, to be honest.
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Feeling spritely.

Me too, really. I just had to get that one out of my system. Carry on.
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I guess I'm not cut out for magical girl shows.

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I like the italics in the post.

"Cleric by Seth"

It sounds like a fancy cologne.


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CG: *runs around bopping people with random staff confiscated from Miranda* This is fun!
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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh

Cait cannot use staves. She's no druid.
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Feeling spritely.

Maybe I shouldn't have said that.... {vanishes}
"You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it or does it." --- Malcolm X.

"The AI is not very smart. It makes up for that by cheating." --- Naglfar, on Civilization II: Multiplayer Gold Edition. XD

Flarebringer
 
I guess I'm not cut out for magical girl shows.

Someday, this is going to get quoted out of context.


Seth
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I like the italics in the post.

"Cleric by Seth"

It sounds like a fancy cologne.


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I'm not the admin FEABL needs. I'm the one it deserves.

Staff whacking... FF: CC, anyone? Though for some reason, hitting someone on the head with Curaga makes their HP go up.
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Hmm...

I don't really like this idea. Here's why:

1. This board IS based on FE7, and you can't whack people with staves in FE7.

2. Venturing outside the given set of abilities changes the dymanics of the game. Would this be Fire Emblem if there was the ability to whack people with staves, or if we started making up staves?

3. If more staves are allowed, then there will be more and more and more and endlessly more ideas for staves. I guaruntee you, they will NOT stop. The Prf weapons are bad enough as it is. The requests will pile up, and they will NOT stop.


Besides, there have been many more events lately. Why not just use Heal staves?
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Zapmaster
Jun 5 2005, 08:18 PM
Hmm...

I don't really like this idea.  Here's why:

1. This board IS based on FE7, and you can't whack people with staves in FE7.

2. Venturing outside the given set of abilities changes the dymanics of the game.  Would this be Fire Emblem if there was the ability to whack people with staves, or if we started making up staves?

Would this be Fire Emblem if we started fighting demons?  Would this be Fire Emblem if every single character had a Prf weapon?  All I'm asking for is the right to use a cleric/troubadour in the arena (Force.)  You can drop Toxify if you want.

3. If more staves are allowed, then there will be more and more and more and endlessly more ideas for staves.  I guaruntee you, they will NOT stop.  The Prf weapons are bad enough as it is.  The requests will pile up, and they will NOT stop.

Then just accept Force.  It's only one staff, it won't make a flood of requests...I feel that the goal it accomplishes is worth it.

Besides, there have been many more events lately.  Why not just use Heal staves?

Heal staves are 11 EXP a pop.  There aren't enough events to make that worthwhile...


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