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Tower of Valor discussions/complaints; Another money-maker, OMG!
Topic Started: Jun 15 2005, 04:54 PM (1,946 Views)
Druid
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Burning Baron

Druid
Jun 15 2005, 03:54 PM


And MM, those buster weapons are waaaay too cheap.


Cavaliers, Nomads, Knights, and Wyvern units will be at a huge disadvantange with so many of those floating around.

^^
“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

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X_X

No pleasing everyone, is there... What price would you suggest, Druid?
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±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
I quote like it myself. >_>
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..Can I quite you on that?
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*shot*
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ó_?
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As much as Silver weapons, at least.

There will be so many of those out there, it won't be fair.

Classes that don't have a weapon designed to murder them will be at a huge advantage, in the FEABL as a whole.
“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

"Theirs not to reason why. Theirs but to do or die." -Alfred, Lord Tennyson

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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh

As much as silver!?

Naw. Make it a few hundred, says I.
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Yeah, I am not making them as much as Silver weapons. You can forget that right now.

I might bump them up to around 200 each.
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±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
I quote like it myself. >_>
Kyle says:
..Can I quite you on that?
Kyle says:
*shot*
±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
...>_<


[QUOTE = MSN with Tee]Taco says:
ó_?
Taco says:
....fear the almighty questionmark!eye[/QUOTE]

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Druid
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Say lots of people get enough bp to get knight busters.

Knight busters are everywhere all over the FEABL.

All knights=screwed.


Make a limit to the number, then.
“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

"Theirs not to reason why. Theirs but to do or die." -Alfred, Lord Tennyson

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Nate
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yeah

IMO, the Wyvern/Cavalry ones should be 10 DP and the Armor one should be 10,000.

*runs*

Seriously, though, ~600/700 sounds good. At least enough to make them not a casual purchase...and if you pull those out, you need Swordslayers as well.
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What's the password?

Y'know, buster weapons have LOOOW uses....
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yeah

And that's why they shouldn't be as much as Silvers; however, they are dangerous enough to make it so that somebody needs to think real hard about getting one.

Maybe selling cheap (~100) ones with like four uses?
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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh

Swordslayers are evil. They completely screw any sword-user over. If those are in, they should be VERY expensive.
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Armorslayers are just as evil as swordslayers.



“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

"Theirs not to reason why. Theirs but to do or die." -Alfred, Lord Tennyson

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Nate
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yeah

Well, not quite as evil, as they don't get the reaver bonus.

Still extremely evil, though.
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What's the password?

Armorslayers have a triangle disadvantage.
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Not necessarily against Generals, TCM.

Ok, I'll raise them all to 400. That'll make people think twice about being them, since they're only 100 short of a Killer at the point.

No Swordslayers or reavers here. They are EVIL!
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±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
I quote like it myself. >_>
Kyle says:
..Can I quite you on that?
Kyle says:
*shot*
±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
...>_<


[QUOTE = MSN with Tee]Taco says:
ó_?
Taco says:
....fear the almighty questionmark!eye[/QUOTE]

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Alex, firey Wyvern Rider (Lvl 14)
Silvia, teh shiny Paladin (Retired)
Yoshiro, the Heroic bishie (Lvl 20/3)
Domino, the alluring Assassin (Lvl 20/3)
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Hammer's have a triangle advantage.


So I could argue they are just as evil as Swordslayers.


And armorslayers have advantage if a General is using an axe.
“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

"Theirs not to reason why. Theirs but to do or die." -Alfred, Lord Tennyson

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Frederick, level 20/20 General, Retired
Kreig, level 20/3 Druid
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KJ456
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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh

Armorslayers will most likely be lanced. And they target high-def units. Swordslayers target low-def units, reave (and of its main targets, one is sword-only, while the other is sword/axe, with low con) AND have more mt than any other buster weapon. Unbalanced as hell.
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Most likely the final revision. Don't like it at this point, tough.

50 Gold = 2 BP
Iron Blade = 50 BP
Elfire/Divine/Luna = 80 BP
Steel Blade = 90 BP
Long Bow = 100 BP
Prf Ticket = 100 BP
Killer Weapon = 500 BP
Bolting/Purge/Eclipse = 600 BP
Reaver Weapon = 1000 BP
Silver Sword/Lance/Axe = 1000 BP
Silver Blade = 1200 BP
Fimbulvetr/Aura/Fenrir = 1200 BP
Promotion item = 5000 BP
Delphi Shield = 5000 BP

Thoughts, comments, death threats?
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±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
I quote like it myself. >_>
Kyle says:
..Can I quite you on that?
Kyle says:
*shot*
±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
...>_<


[QUOTE = MSN with Tee]Taco says:
ó_?
Taco says:
....fear the almighty questionmark!eye[/QUOTE]

Gail, FEABL's first Swordmaster (Retired)
Alex, firey Wyvern Rider (Lvl 14)
Silvia, teh shiny Paladin (Retired)
Yoshiro, the Heroic bishie (Lvl 20/3)
Domino, the alluring Assassin (Lvl 20/3)
Syndor, FEABL's first Halberdier (Lvl 20/1)
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Nate
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yeah

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Jun 15 2005, 08:07 PM
Hammer's have a triangle advantage.


So I could argue they are just as evil as Swordslayers.

Well, still not quite as evil, as they don't get the +30 Hit/+2 Mt.

Still, though, extremely evil, and if you're going to include Armor/Horse/Wyvern murderers, you need to bring the whole thing, including Swordreavers (and Aircalibur, for that matter.)
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What's the password?

Why do we even need a long bow on the FEABL? @_@
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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh

Reavers could be in, at pretty high costs.
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TheChronoMaster
Jun 15 2005, 04:10 PM
Why do we even need a long bow on the FEABL? @_@

For events.

And to avoid counters from magic.
“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

"Theirs not to reason why. Theirs but to do or die." -Alfred, Lord Tennyson

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Kreig, level 20/3 Druid
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The MetalMew
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Knightbusters are ridiculously heavy for most units, resulting in loss of dodge, and possibly DA. Same deal with Horsebusters. Wyvernbusters are a bit lighter, generally, and get lots of uses. Hmm, maybe they should go up in price a little bit.
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±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
I quote like it myself. >_>
Kyle says:
..Can I quite you on that?
Kyle says:
*shot*
±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
...>_<


[QUOTE = MSN with Tee]Taco says:
ó_?
Taco says:
....fear the almighty questionmark!eye[/QUOTE]

Gail, FEABL's first Swordmaster (Retired)
Alex, firey Wyvern Rider (Lvl 14)
Silvia, teh shiny Paladin (Retired)
Yoshiro, the Heroic bishie (Lvl 20/3)
Domino, the alluring Assassin (Lvl 20/3)
Syndor, FEABL's first Halberdier (Lvl 20/1)
Zoe, FEABL's first Centurion (Lvl 15/4)

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yeah

KJ456
Jun 15 2005, 08:09 PM
Armorslayers will most likely be lanced. And they target high-def units. Swordslayers target low-def units, reave (and of its main targets, one is sword-only, while the other is sword/axe, with low con) AND have more mt than any other buster weapon. Unbalanced as hell.

Oh, sorry that they get a HIT ADVANTAGE to actually hit units who DODGE EVERYTHING.

And guess what: they are unbalanced as hell. But so are the other types in this kind of environment. A class-based "you die now" is always unbalanced in the FEABL. If I had my way, slayers would be as rare as Iron Runes, as like them, they completely screw over one class.

Sorry, I'm just irritated because you are attacking things that screw over your characters while defending those that screw over other people's characters.
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.....Gah.


All I can say is that Armor Knights/Wyverns/Cavaliers are going to be completely screwed from this point forward.
“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

"Theirs not to reason why. Theirs but to do or die." -Alfred, Lord Tennyson

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Frederick, level 20/20 General, Retired
Kreig, level 20/3 Druid
Isaac, level 15/6 Nomad Trooper
Javier, level 20/12 Teutonic Knight
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Faisal, level 2 Fighter
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Wyverns are weak against Bows. Would you like to ban bows as well?
Arrive. Raise Hell. Leave.

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MSN convo with IS
 
±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
I quote like it myself. >_>
Kyle says:
..Can I quite you on that?
Kyle says:
*shot*
±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
...>_<


[QUOTE = MSN with Tee]Taco says:
ó_?
Taco says:
....fear the almighty questionmark!eye[/QUOTE]

Gail, FEABL's first Swordmaster (Retired)
Alex, firey Wyvern Rider (Lvl 14)
Silvia, teh shiny Paladin (Retired)
Yoshiro, the Heroic bishie (Lvl 20/3)
Domino, the alluring Assassin (Lvl 20/3)
Syndor, FEABL's first Halberdier (Lvl 20/1)
Zoe, FEABL's first Centurion (Lvl 15/4)

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What's the password?

But Thieves, Pirates, and Shamans won't! *RUNZ*
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Or, in an incredibly crazy turn of events, Chrono is really the GF, and he got ike lynched to throw suspicioun off of him. That's probably really unlikely though
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Medi Guy
Jun 15 2005, 04:13 PM
Oh, sorry that they get a HIT ADVANTAGE to actually hit units who DODGE EVERYTHING.

And guess what: they are unbalanced as hell.  But so are the other types in this kind of environment.  A class-based "you die now" is always unbalanced in the FEABL.  If I had my way, slayers would be as rare as Iron Runes, as like them, they completely screw over one class.

Sorry, I'm just irritated because you are attacking things that screw over your characters while defending those that screw over other people's characters.

And he's right.

Iron Rune, which would screw Gero or Gail over, is waaaaay expensive.


Armorslayers, that would kill Fred or Ceine, are cheap.
“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

"Theirs not to reason why. Theirs but to do or die." -Alfred, Lord Tennyson

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yeah

And notice how these these guys are both weak to Swordslayers?
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Iron Rune is permanent.

Weapons are not.

Don't compare the two.
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I quote like it myself. >_>
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Silvia, teh shiny Paladin (Retired)
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And Gail.


EDIT: Refferring to the Swordslayer
“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

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Iron Rune is permanent.

Weapons are not.

Don't compare the two.

Iron Rune is per-hey, that looks like Aeon! Hi, Aeon! How 'ya doin?
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S'up 20 Speed cap.
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I quote like it myself. >_>
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..Can I quite you on that?
Kyle says:
*shot*
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...>_<


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ó_?
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Alex, firey Wyvern Rider (Lvl 14)
Silvia, teh shiny Paladin (Retired)
Yoshiro, the Heroic bishie (Lvl 20/3)
Domino, the alluring Assassin (Lvl 20/3)
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Aeon: *Steals iron rune* Muhahahaha.
“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh

Actually, I am not trying to defend or attack anything based on my characters. A knight/General can still defeat an enemy with an armorslayer, and maybe a heavy spear. Though a hammer would most likely screw him over. Actually, heavy spears should be more expensive than armorslayers, and hammers even expensiver. For horseslayers, cavalier/paladins have the advantage of multiple weapons. But against a swordslayer, a myrmidon/swordmaster is totally screwed, and a hero isn't much better off.
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Hero: *Switches to axe* *Swordslayer has no effect*
“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

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Swordslayer has 2x Mt vs Heroes, regardless of which weapon they're using.
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±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
I quote like it myself. >_>
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..Can I quite you on that?
Kyle says:
*shot*
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...>_<


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ó_?
Taco says:
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Alex, firey Wyvern Rider (Lvl 14)
Silvia, teh shiny Paladin (Retired)
Yoshiro, the Heroic bishie (Lvl 20/3)
Domino, the alluring Assassin (Lvl 20/3)
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You don't seem to understand how an armor knight/general works.

Armorslayers/Heavy Spears allow increased Mt against knights.

If a knight is taking more than 5 or so damage from an attack, they have lost the battle. It is that simple.

And I'm sorry if I'm being insulting in any way, so please don't hold anything I say in this topic against me.
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Jun 15 2005, 04:22 PM
You don't seem to understand how an armor knight/general works.

Armorslayers/Heavy Spears allow increased Mt against knights.

If a knight is taking more than 5 or so damage from an attack, they have lost the battle. It is that simple.

And I'm sorry if I'm being insulting in any way, so please don't hold anything I say in this topic against me.

Not necessarily, but for the typical knight, yeah.
“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

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Jun 15 2005, 08:22 PM
Myrmidon/Swordmaster: *dodge* *critical*

Except they're going against a reaver-triangle. X_X

Look, forget it. If it's going to cause THAT much trouble, I'll just take the anti-weapons out. I don't feel like arguing about this.
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±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
I quote like it myself. >_>
Kyle says:
..Can I quite you on that?
Kyle says:
*shot*
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...>_<


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ó_?
Taco says:
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Gail, FEABL's first Swordmaster (Retired)
Alex, firey Wyvern Rider (Lvl 14)
Silvia, teh shiny Paladin (Retired)
Yoshiro, the Heroic bishie (Lvl 20/3)
Domino, the alluring Assassin (Lvl 20/3)
Syndor, FEABL's first Halberdier (Lvl 20/1)
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Good.

They shouldn't be in there, anyways.
“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

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If Jaffar can dodge a reaver, surely a Swordmaster can.
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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh

A swordslayer has 80 hit. 110 if it reaves.
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Jun 15 2005, 08:22 PM
Swordslayer has 2x Mt vs Heroes, regardless of which weapon they're using.

The difference is that axemen (like heroes :P) are the only ones who can use swordslayers, so you can pull out an axe/lancereaver and suddenly the entire advantage is negated as +30 hit is turned into 0/-30 hit and the opponent discovers that they cannot deal 69 damage to something that they can't hit.

And Druid, yeah, I was referring to the archetypal knight, not those knights that max speed and stuff.
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Jun 15 2005, 04:25 PM

And Druid, yeah, I was referring to the archetypal knight, not those knights that max speed and stuff.

*coughedcough*
“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

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50 Gold = 2 BP
Iron Blade = 50 BP
Elfire/Divine/Luna = 80 BP
Steel Blade = 90 BP
Long Bow = 100 BP
Prf Ticket = 100 BP
Killer Weapon = 500 BP
Bolting/Purge = 500 BP
Eclipse = 600 BP
Reaver Weapon = 1000 BP
Silver Sword/Lance/Axe = 1000 BP
Silver Blade = 1200 BP
Fimbulvetr/Aura/Fenrir = 1200 BP
Promotion item = 5000 BP
Delphi Shield = 5000 BP

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±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
I quote like it myself. >_>
Kyle says:
..Can I quite you on that?
Kyle says:
*shot*
±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
...>_<


[QUOTE = MSN with Tee]Taco says:
ó_?
Taco says:
....fear the almighty questionmark!eye[/QUOTE]

Gail, FEABL's first Swordmaster (Retired)
Alex, firey Wyvern Rider (Lvl 14)
Silvia, teh shiny Paladin (Retired)
Yoshiro, the Heroic bishie (Lvl 20/3)
Domino, the alluring Assassin (Lvl 20/3)
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Hmm, for how would we use Bolting/Eclipse/Purge?


Event only?
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yeah

Oh, and while I am gratified that the slayer weapons are being removed, I still feel that this discussion should go on, simply because these weapons' inclusion in the FEABL is something that should be debated, so that we don't all start yelling when Skull decides to auction off a Swordslayer or something. ;)

And yeah, that list looks perfecto. Well, I still don't think Eclipse is that useful. But it isn't worth arguing and is probably something I'm wrong about anyway :lol:
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Same way you'd use a Longbow for arena's sake, uncounterable. Otherwise, yeah, events.
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±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
I quote like it myself. >_>
Kyle says:
..Can I quite you on that?
Kyle says:
*shot*
±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
...>_<


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ó_?
Taco says:
....fear the almighty questionmark!eye[/QUOTE]

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Alex, firey Wyvern Rider (Lvl 14)
Silvia, teh shiny Paladin (Retired)
Yoshiro, the Heroic bishie (Lvl 20/3)
Domino, the alluring Assassin (Lvl 20/3)
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Oh, and I would think that Bolting/Eclipse/Purge would be allowable from four range in the arena, to allow huge retaliation punishment from the high Wt.
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FE6 Eclipse was pitiful.


10 freakin' hit.
“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

"Theirs not to reason why. Theirs but to do or die." -Alfred, Lord Tennyson

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Eclipse costs more because it doesn't weigh as much as the other two, mainly.

And without in this event, the buster weapons aren't common. The only place you'd get them is the CTCBT, and maybe the auction.

I ask again, should bows be banned because they smack down Wyverns?
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±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
I quote like it myself. >_>
Kyle says:
..Can I quite you on that?
Kyle says:
*shot*
±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
...>_<


[QUOTE = MSN with Tee]Taco says:
ó_?
Taco says:
....fear the almighty questionmark!eye[/QUOTE]

Gail, FEABL's first Swordmaster (Retired)
Alex, firey Wyvern Rider (Lvl 14)
Silvia, teh shiny Paladin (Retired)
Yoshiro, the Heroic bishie (Lvl 20/3)
Domino, the alluring Assassin (Lvl 20/3)
Syndor, FEABL's first Halberdier (Lvl 20/1)
Zoe, FEABL's first Centurion (Lvl 15/4)

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you guys forgot something about swordslayer,it has a reaver effect and its effective against myrmidons/swordmasters.so its +30 avoid +2might and its might is doubled against myrmidons/swordmasters
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yeah

How many characters can use Bows?

Now, compare that number to the number of characters that can use Swords, Lances, or Axes.

And tell me when Ceine can get a Delphi Shield to make her shrug off Armorslayers.
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Mt is doubled before the reaver bonus, just to avoid any confusion there...
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I quote like it myself. >_>
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..Can I quite you on that?
Kyle says:
*shot*
±Ú¯¸½ - Needing language packs since '91 says:
...>_<


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ó_?
Taco says:
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Alex, firey Wyvern Rider (Lvl 14)
Silvia, teh shiny Paladin (Retired)
Yoshiro, the Heroic bishie (Lvl 20/3)
Domino, the alluring Assassin (Lvl 20/3)
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Apocalypse
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you guys forgot something about swordslayer,it has a reaver effect and its effective against myrmidons/swordmasters.so its +30 avoid +2might and its might is doubled against myrmidons/swordmasters

No, we pretty much covered that, and how it makes a Swordslayer user insanely vulnerable to lancereavers or lances in general...

...but yeah, one of the big problems with the Swordslayer in the Arena is that the normal pressures do not conspire to completely own Mr. Swordslayer with about five lances. The same is true, to a lesser extent, with the other "effective" weapons, in that a unit is stuck wasting uses of what is, without SEness, a bad weapon against a bunch of enemies who gang up on the guy stuck with it.
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Mt is doubled before the reaver bonus, just to avoid any confusion there...

you talking to me?if so yeah i knew that,it means chars of that class are screwed
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Armorslayer: Wt 11, Mt 8, Hit 80, Crit 0, D Req, Uses: 18 Effective against Armor
Silver Sword: Wt 8, Mt 13, Hit 80, Crit 0, A req, Uses: 20

Switching to a 'Slayer from a Silver Sword gives you 3 more Mt, and 3 less AS.


Hammer: Wt 15, Mt 10, Hit 55, Crit 0, D Req, Uses: 20 Effective against Armor
Devil axe: Wt 18, Mt 18, Hit 55, Crit 0, E req, Uses: 20- % chance=30 - 2(luck),
Silver Axe: Wt 12 Mt 15 Hit 70 Crit 0, A req, Uses: 20

Now, let's see here.

Hamer gets 20 Mt, 55 Hit, and 15 Wt.
Devil Axe gets 18 Mt, 55 Hit, and 18 Wt.
Silver Axe gets 15 MT, 70 Hit, and 12 Wt.

By using a Hammer from a Devil axe, you gain 3 AS at most, 2 Mt, and lose the self-hit chance.

By using a Hammer from a Sliver Axe, you gain 5 Mt, but lose 15 Hit and 3 AS.

Heavy Spear: Wt 14, Mt 9, Hit 70, Crit 0, D req, Uses: 16 Effective against Armor
Silver Lance: Wt 10, Mt 14, Hit 75, A req, Uses: 20

By switching to a Heavy Spear from a Silver Lance, you get 4 Mt, and lose 5 hit and 4 AS.

From this, I basically see that the Knighbusters provide a small advantage at best in comparasion to the silver weapons. And that only works against Knights.

I'm not sure about the Wyvernbusters/Horseslayers, but I think that in general they have lower MT then the Knighbusters, giving them even smaller advantages.
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Skull, 20 mt is a lot.

Plus, Hammer won't suicide you.

Anyone with 15 or so str can do decent damage to a maxed def General if they use Hammer.
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Ooh, the fight goes on!

Yes, that is true. IMO, comparing the effective weapons to the Devil Axe is unfair, simply because it is a special case, and probably will end up being fairly rare.

Yes, Silver Lance -> Heavy Spear grants only 4 Mt. But 4 Mt means a lot against knights, more than it appears, especially considering doubles. An extra 8 damage per attack hurts a character that relies on defense over offense badly.
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Swordslayer has 22 mt (24 due to reaving) vs. a low-def unit, but yeah, 20 mt is a lot.
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Look at the General's caps, though. Does "highest stat cap totals" mean anything? Limiting availaility for Knightbuster weaons, which are available in shops in FE, would take away one of the only disadvantages a General has.

And look at FE7 LA teams. Ask anyone what the best LA class is, they'll say General (well, some may say Great Lord. But most say General). But how many Buster weapons do we see on competitive LA teams? None. Because they don't give a big enough advantage to be worth it.

Come to think of it, the Devil Axe should be on there, somewhere.
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Methinks devil axe counts as a unique weapon, like Wo Dao and the braves.
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Shouldn't the Swordslayer be in that catogory as well? Or are they banned or something?
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And look at FE7 LA teams. Ask anyone what the best LA class is, they'll say General (well, some may say Great Lord. But most say General). But how many Buster weapons do we see on competitive LA teams? None. Because they don't give a big enough advantage to be worth it.

Actually, that's because of legendary weapons, which outclass everything else.

And in the Link Arena, the archetypal Knight's other weakness - magic - is severely weakened, both by the mediocre magic caps and the fact that magicians are forced to attack melee units at 1 range and bows at 2. Which hurts. And the chances of a General naturally - without statup units - reaching its caps in more than two stats are almost nil. The LA is irrelevant here.
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Syph has a point. Swordslayers are also much rarer.
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There's only one of each legendary weapon. So why do teams with 2 axers not use hammers on either one?

And my mage point had nothing to do with the LA.
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They are far too powerful too be given out like reaver weapons. They should be auction only. And at a steep price.
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You're talking about Swordslayers, right, Syphon?

I agree.
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There's only one of each legendary weapon. So why do teams with 2 axers not use hammers on either one?

And my mage point had nothing to do with the LA.

Did I miss something here? I was saying that comparing Knights/Generals here to Generals in the LA is irrelevant, because magicians, one of the archetypal Knight's greatest foes, are rendered useless there. And teams with 2 axers don't use hammers on either one because...well, actually, I never play the LA, so I don't know. I would assume it's because they have better things to be doing with their Warrior, like pulling out a can of Reinfleche on somebody.
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You're talking about Swordslayers, right, Syphon?

I agree.

Yup. And this is coming from the guy whose main character is about to become a Berserker. >.>
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The Hammer is pretty inaccurate. Believe me, 55% hit doesn't help at all. Regardless of the Berserker and Warrior skill caps.

Basilikos and the Brave Axe do a pretty good job on their own.
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They are far too powerful too be given out like reaver weapons.  They  should be auction only.  And at a steep price.

IMO, Swordslayers are the idea of slayer weapons...taken to the next level.

Ban them or severely limit their use and one has eliminated one of the controls on Myrmidons/Swordmasters/Mercenaries/Heroes.

Ban armorslayers/heavy lances/hammers or severely limit their use and one has eliminated one of the controls on Knights/Generals.

I am not in this post arguing that Swordslayers are a necessary restraint on sword guys, the opposite, in fact; they make them too weak.

I am not in this post arguing that armorslayers/heavy lances/hammers are a necessary restraint on armor guys, the opposite, in fact; they make them too weak.
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You forget that Swordslayers have two effects. Regular Slayer weapons don't unless they get the triangle advantage. And they are fairly heavy and inaccurate to the classes that wield them, respectively. Most axe users can wield the Swordslayer with ease.

And I wasn't saying ban them. I said make them harder to get. Like the Wo Dao or Brave weapons.
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Exactly.

Don't ban any of these weapons, just make them Rufus/Auction only.
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Yeah. What Druid said.

And I've got to go do this "sleep" thing now, so I can't continue arguing. Sorry 'bout that. Bye! I hope that armorslayers attack you in your sleep!
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No magic-using class has enough AS to DA an un-weighted down General, assuming they both have capped speed. And Generals cap RES at 24 (25 for females) which, though not great, is decent enough. And seeing that a magic user without seriously boosted CON will be taking AS loss from any powerful tomes, the General might even have a speed advantage.

Even a 5 Mt advantage, which is the best you get from any buster vs a Silver weapon, isn't too great seeing as you lose Hit and most likely AS from it.

Let's put it in a worst-case scenario- Berserker/Warrior with capped STR. They'll be doing 20 damage with a Hammer. In order to keep a DA, they'll have needed to put 3 points into CON. If you're using a lance, they get 21 Mt. So at MOST 42 damage. That's worst case scenario.
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Generals cap res at 25. And most likely won't cap speed, unless they're like crazy Ed.
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*Bonks Skull*

Only Ed is gonna max speed.


And I thought male res cap was 25.
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25! Even higher! My point exactly.

And saying that xxx didn't put points into speed is a reason to limit the availability of Slayer weapons isn't valid. Ezra has no luck- let's ban Killing Edges!
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Fred has no luck, too.

Luck is for losers. :P
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Levin is a better pimp than Roy.

And you better believe it.
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For once, I must say Druid is...

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ph43r teh pimpmaster Levin.
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How many FEmales can he pimp?
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Lemme see, there's Sylvia, Ferry, Tiltyu, and many others I can't recall.
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Yeah.


His pairings are waaaay easy.

Hell, he was with Ferry for half of one chapter and they fell in love.
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Faisal, level 2 Fighter
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Ferry/Fury is his best pairing too. Fee and Seti pwn with Levin as the father.
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HK-47: Query: Can I break his neck now master? It's been a long time fantasy of mine...
Player: Maybe later...
HK-47: Query: Did you hear that meatbag? "I'LL BE BACK!"
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Yeah.

Too bad my cart crashed halfway through CH4. >_<

Oh well, I got a new one and I'm getting there. I like the generation 1 characters.

ADAN PWNS YOUR SOUL!!!!!!!
“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

"Theirs not to reason why. Theirs but to do or die." -Alfred, Lord Tennyson

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Kreig, level 20/3 Druid
Isaac, level 15/6 Nomad Trooper
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Adrian, level 15/1 Sage
Faisal, level 2 Fighter
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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh

Oh yeah, the whole FE4 system. So... How many pairings actually have some kind of conversation?
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Alot do. You can only activate them in certain chapters. Kind of like Pent and Louise's convos.
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HK-47: Query: Can I break his neck now master? It's been a long time fantasy of mine...
Player: Maybe later...
HK-47: Query: Did you hear that meatbag? "I'LL BE BACK!"
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The predestined ones...which Levin has 3 or 4, I think.
“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

"Theirs not to reason why. Theirs but to do or die." -Alfred, Lord Tennyson

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Frederick, level 20/20 General, Retired
Kreig, level 20/3 Druid
Isaac, level 15/6 Nomad Trooper
Javier, level 20/12 Teutonic Knight
Adrian, level 15/1 Sage
Faisal, level 2 Fighter
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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh

That's not a grand lot.
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Banner by Shade.

Challenges open if I'm around, though you'd better be prepared to stat, 'cause I'm lazy.

My theme, according to the Mooney one.
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Ah, but Levin acts like a pimp.

Roy doesn't.
“The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive with no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noticed this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on the earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen.” –Buster Kilrain, The Killer Angels

"Theirs not to reason why. Theirs but to do or die." -Alfred, Lord Tennyson

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Kreig, level 20/3 Druid
Isaac, level 15/6 Nomad Trooper
Javier, level 20/12 Teutonic Knight
Adrian, level 15/1 Sage
Faisal, level 2 Fighter
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The way he talks to Sylvia is hilarious.
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HK-47: Query: Did you hear that meatbag? "I'LL BE BACK!"
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