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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 23 2007, 12:16 PM (1,610 Views) | |
| Tookie | Feb 23 2007, 12:16 PM Post #1 |
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FE7, but with FE9 characters, stats and caps. Yay or nay? (I'll come up with a way around Laguz) |
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| Vidoof | Feb 23 2007, 12:55 PM Post #2 |
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BRAUGAGUGAUGUAUHGHAUHAU
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Interesting. Yay, I suppose. |
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Alonzo - Arbiter: Hero (Retired) Reginald - Aegis - Lv. 3 Gypsy (Rate his new sprites, please!) Morana - Psychopomp - Lv. 2 Archer Not really battling, unless some strange urge strikes me. ---
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| Tookie | Feb 23 2007, 03:06 PM Post #3 |
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*Posts who he has planned so far* Athos: Bartre: Mordecai Canas: Tormod Dart: Dorcas: Boyd Eliwood: Ike Erk: Soren Farina: Fiora: Tanith Florina: Marcia Geitz: Largo Guy: Zihark Harken: Greil Hawkeye: Heath: Jill Hector: Isadora: Jaffar: Nasir Karel: Stefan Karla: Lucia Kent: Oscar Legault: Volke Louise: Callil Lowen: Makalov Lucius: Rhys *shot* Lyn: Elincia Marcus: Titania Matthew: Sothe Nino: Ena Oswin: Gatrie Pent: Bastian Priscilla: Mist Rath: Shinon Raven: Rebecca: Mia Renault: Sain: Kieran Serra: Ilyana Vaida: Haar Wallace: Tauroneo Wil: Rolf Nergal: Ashnard Tear apart as you will. |
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| Iron Shaman | Feb 23 2007, 03:36 PM Post #4 |
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Rolf, Oscar and Boyd should be fiddled with to get supports, methinks. >_> Changing classes and joining timeis much easier than changing who supports with who. |
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FE: Herald of Faith Take a look! IS has got event hacking skillz! Characters ![]() Gooooo Fish <3 | |
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| Tookie | Feb 23 2007, 03:56 PM Post #5 |
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... It's a stats and growths mod. All I'm doing parser wise is editing the names. |
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| Iron Shaman | Feb 23 2007, 04:31 PM Post #6 |
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>_> Wuss. |
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FE: Herald of Faith Take a look! IS has got event hacking skillz! Characters ![]() Gooooo Fish <3 | |
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| Tookie | Feb 23 2007, 04:32 PM Post #7 |
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Seriously. Parsers effing hate me. |
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| Tyrone Buggums | Feb 23 2007, 04:32 PM Post #8 |
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Canas... Tormod...? Erk... Soren...? Neither deserve that honor, really. >_> |
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| Iron Shaman | Feb 23 2007, 04:33 PM Post #9 |
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Yeah, they DO tend to be a pain to get working. x_x AND I SAW CRYTEN IN YOUR AVI! <3<3<3 >_>;;;;; EDIT: Bug, Soren and Erk are both horribly dull, emotionless excuses for mages that need shot. Its a perfect comparison. |
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FE: Herald of Faith Take a look! IS has got event hacking skillz! Characters ![]() Gooooo Fish <3 | |
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| Tookie | Feb 23 2007, 04:42 PM Post #10 |
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And I'm not changing joining times unless a kind person completely rewrites the script to accomodate the changes. |
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| Serene Steelzard | Feb 23 2007, 04:44 PM Post #11 |
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... uh-huh.
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Soren>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IS. Fact. |
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| Iron Shaman | Feb 23 2007, 04:58 PM Post #12 |
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Question. How does Soren > Anything not Erk? I used him once, but he keeps boring me to death. <_< |
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FE: Herald of Faith Take a look! IS has got event hacking skillz! Characters ![]() Gooooo Fish <3 | |
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| Tookie | Feb 23 2007, 04:59 PM Post #13 |
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Soren is too emo for his robes. And he'd better be a Shaman/Druid in GoD, seeing as Dark Magic is back. |
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| Gigs | Feb 23 2007, 05:10 PM Post #14 |
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HELLO EVERYBODY
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Almost anything > IS, with that logic. Tormod > Ilyana >>>>>>> Soren |
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| Tookie | Feb 23 2007, 07:06 PM Post #15 |
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Athos: Giffca Bartre: Mordecai Canas: Tormod Dart: Astrid Dorcas: Boyd Eliwood: Ike Erk: Soren Farina: Tauroneo Fiora: Tanith Florina: Marcia Geitz: DEVDAN Guy: Zihark Harken: Greil Hawkeye: Largo Heath: Jill Hector: Nephenee Isadora: Geoffrey Jaffar: Nasir Karel: Stefan Karla: Lucia Kent: Oscar Legault: Volke Louise: Callil Lowen: Makalov Lucius: Rhys *shot* Lyn: Elincia Marcus: Titania Matthew: Sothe Nino: Ena Oswin: Gatrie Pent: Bastian Priscilla: Ilyana Rath: Shinon Raven: Muarim Rebecca: Mia Renault: Tibarn Sain: Kieran Serra: Mist Vaida: Haar Wallace: Brom Wil: Rolf Nergal: Ashnard All done. I'll probably make Sonia the BK and have Limstella as Bryce. |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 23 2007, 10:30 PM Post #16 |
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I do hope you're not meaning stat-wise. >> |
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Kruen, level 20/5 Berserker Xiella, level 20/1 Guardian Fernand, level 5 Knight Aurelia, level 8 Dragonrider Mariann, level 4 Hunter RETIRED Raedul, level 20/20 Paladin Tancred, level 100 Tangrowth | |
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| Puffy | Feb 23 2007, 10:34 PM Post #17 |
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Tormod is certainly the only mage you can reliably put on the front lines (and Bast, but he's like a nerfed Tormod without Celerity), so it's not entirely untrue. Of course, personality-wise, Tormod still can beat Soren, because emo is an instant fail. |
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><p align="center"><tr><td> <br>20/7<br>Berserker</td><td> <br>20/17<br>Falcoknight</td><td> <br>20/8<br>Bishop</td><td> <br>20/6<br>Halberdier</td><td> <br>20/1<br>Swordmaster</td> </tr> <tr><td colspan="5"><br>[size=-1]![]() <br>PM challenges are 99% kosher, unless something insane. I might still accept.[/size]</td></tr><tr><td colspan="5"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="5"> </td></tr></p></table> | |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 23 2007, 10:36 PM Post #18 |
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Tormod's Defense is better, but not to the point where he can hold the frontlines well and Soren can't on average. |
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Kruen, level 20/5 Berserker Xiella, level 20/1 Guardian Fernand, level 5 Knight Aurelia, level 8 Dragonrider Mariann, level 4 Hunter RETIRED Raedul, level 20/20 Paladin Tancred, level 100 Tangrowth | |
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| KJ456 | Feb 23 2007, 10:37 PM Post #19 |
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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh
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I toss Ilyana up there all the time. Whatever Shade does, it works for me. |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 23 2007, 10:40 PM Post #20 |
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IIRC, Shade won't work if the enemy unit either : - Can get a kill on unit with Shade - Can't attack any other unit - Will get counter killed if he attacks another unit, but not the unit with Shade I'm not exactly sure, and there might be more instances where it doesn't work. |
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Kruen, level 20/5 Berserker Xiella, level 20/1 Guardian Fernand, level 5 Knight Aurelia, level 8 Dragonrider Mariann, level 4 Hunter RETIRED Raedul, level 20/20 Paladin Tancred, level 100 Tangrowth | |
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| KJ456 | Feb 23 2007, 10:42 PM Post #21 |
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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh
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None of those except the middle one has ever applied to me, apparently. |
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| Puffy | Feb 23 2007, 10:42 PM Post #22 |
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I'm not saying either should, but I'd be more confortable with Tormod up there. The extra defense is the difference between surviving a freak accident (albeit with 2 HP, see Calil) and not. With his ability to actually move with the rest of the party, he's a more effective healer, too. He's the only mage I'd ever consider giving knives to, but like I said, he'll be your best healer next to Mist. You can waste a pair of boots on Soren to achieve the same effect, but you could use one on Tormod and make him faster than a horse. XD |
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| KJ456 | Feb 23 2007, 10:43 PM Post #23 |
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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh
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Pft, when I use Ilyana, she can use physic staves before Tormod even joins. >_> |
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| Puffy | Feb 23 2007, 10:46 PM Post #24 |
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If you give her all your BEXP and kills, that's probably going to happen. Reach is what matters for a healer, anyway, and two squares can absolutely make a difference. |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 23 2007, 10:47 PM Post #25 |
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Wow, overlevelling much? >_> Anyway, giving knives to a Sage isn't exactly a move I'd consider at all. Soren stays a better offensive fighter than Tormod, and also has a support advantage. |
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| Puffy | Feb 23 2007, 10:59 PM Post #26 |
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I'll admit that Tormod's support options are abyssmal. (Devdan wouldn't be so bad, if Neph weren't so kickass. Calil is a mage, Sothe sucks, and Reyson...is okay, but impractical.) However, Soren requires a pair of Boots to stay in range and get his support bonuses, or even just get onto the battlefield in the first place. His STR is pretty nasty, too, so the fact that Tormod isn't as fast means a lot less. I'm not saying that Soren isn't the best mage, because it's an unfortunate truth that his emo sucks so badly, it's collapsed into itself and made him statistically superior. However, Tormod isn't the worst, and is at least on par with Illy. He's the best at what he does best. |
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| Tookie | Feb 23 2007, 11:03 PM Post #27 |
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KJ's a loli mage girl fanboy. >.< Also, I use knives on Ilyana for humor purposes. Ilyana: Must... stab... PRIESTS! |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 23 2007, 11:03 PM Post #28 |
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I'd say Tormod is indeed superior to Ilyana. It's been debated a few times and it's close, but Tormod usually wins. |
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| KJ456 | Feb 23 2007, 11:04 PM Post #29 |
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Ahahahaha- *snort* -hahahaha- *snort* -heheheh
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It's hard to be the worst, usability-wise, with Bastian around. Especially when he's around an army containing Calill (two l's, isn't it?). And Illers doesn't really take that much to hurriedly promote. Then again, the fact that I don't use Mist and Rolf may have something to do with it. EDIT: Hey! I'm totally a fanboy of non-loli she-mages, too! |
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| Puffy | Feb 23 2007, 11:15 PM Post #30 |
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Bast is what Tormod would be like, if Tormod got RNG-raped through a blender. I usually call Cally Calzone or Lil, so I can't say I know how to spell it, but she's mostly in my party because she doesn't suck that much, and can support with Nephy and Tormod. Illy comes at a relatively low level (not as bad as Tormod, but read on), anyway, and you'd probably get Soren (or anyone else) promoted first. It requires paying her special attention. I'll note that Rolf does NOT require BEXP at all. He's an incredible character, wears shorts, and is your only bowman until Astrid, who almost requires BEXP, although Paragon helps. I won't go into how kickass my Rolf was, because 18 DEF on him isn't normal. Speaking of BEXP, the mission after Tormod joins is really good for letting him hide behind people and get kills, without ever having to spare the points that really deserve to go to Mist, if you're wanting to use her when she's mandatory. He'll be lagging for a while, but he can absolutely hold his own. He's not Nino. |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 23 2007, 11:19 PM Post #31 |
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...if Astrid requires BEXP, so does Rolf. She's considered the better primary bow-user, and while she joins later, she needs half Rolf's EXP to catch and has mounted movement which can result in effective hit-and-run tactics. ...and Rolf does have quite the high Def for an Archer. Mine was even blessed on top of that had like 21 at 20/6 or something. |
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| KJ456 | Feb 23 2007, 11:23 PM Post #32 |
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Which is exactly why I don't use him. >_> Illers... doesn't really take that much. With her decent base speed, she can either DA weaker enemies with thunder or cause fairly heavy damage with Elthunder. Of course I giver her some special attention, since I need her to start being able to wield staves fairly soon, but it's nowhere near as much as you'd expect. As for Rolf... his attack at lower levels is weak. At least Nino targets res. >_> |
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| Puffy | Feb 23 2007, 11:25 PM Post #33 |
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I have to disagree about Rolf. If you can get him over the (large) hump that is levels 1 though 3, he won't need any. The power difference isn't glaring, and he can almost make kills on his own. Astrid has trouble even damaging the enemies in her chapter, but I can't say much about her, having never taken her for a single mission. A levelled Rolf is an amazing way to draw enemies, though, for what it's worth. They can't hit him, can't scratch him... |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 23 2007, 11:29 PM Post #34 |
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In 2 levels, he suddently become able to fight? Like, .8 Str and about 1 more Spd suddenly make him okay? Uh, nah. |
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| KJ456 | Feb 23 2007, 11:33 PM Post #35 |
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Er, sorry to break it to you, but personal experience, and whatnot. Astrid beats or ties him in everything but HP (Astrid starts a 2 point advantage and has a 2 point higher promo gain, but 15% less growth) and skill (Rolf starts with a 2 point advantage, but Astrid has a 10% higher growth). Not to mention Paragon/Secondary weapon. |
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| Puffy | Feb 23 2007, 11:35 PM Post #36 |
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KJ: I used Illy before I got Tormod, and while she wasn't getting killed or anything, she wasn't making much of a difference. Tormod can get doubles on heavy tomes, with his superior STR, if his SPD gets a decent start. His MAG isn't stellar, but the fact that he can use the A-level tomes without AS loss at higher levels is absolutely notable. I don't use Astrid, and I don't make the claim that one is better, so much that Rolf is impressive enough to warrant trying a little to level him. AS: I suppose it depends on your luck, but 1 SPD can affect him getting a double, and getting a double can mean him making a kill. After that, it's less of an issue. It involves a bit of work, but you get him so early that he's no Nino. |
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| KJ456 | Feb 23 2007, 11:39 PM Post #37 |
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Well, considering that half the chapter she joins in consists of flying enemies who don't fight back, I don't really see that point (the one about her being weaker than Rolf compared to their respective joining chapter enemies, that is), either. >_> And I'm aware that Tormod is offensively superior to Illers, I'm just saying that starts off decent enough, and isn't hard to powerlevel a bit. |
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| Puffy | Feb 23 2007, 11:46 PM Post #38 |
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My memories of that chapter are much different. Astrid got swarmed and died too many times to count, and she couldn't concievably pull a kill on her own, but I'll say that due to my numerous resets, I don't think ahead more than one turn when I play a mission. Rolf's chapter was a bit more pleasant, to say the least, but that may have been due to there being Mordecai. Assuming I'm not going senile, and he actually joined then. |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 23 2007, 11:47 PM Post #39 |
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Yes, but why would you powerlevel her if she's inferior, considering not everybody has a female mage obsession? >> |
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| KJ456 | Feb 23 2007, 11:51 PM Post #40 |
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Because she makes a better healer, is easier to raise, and because I much prefer her design? I don't believe I ever said that you shouldn't use Tormod, either. Eh, keeping Astrid alive wasn't that hard, IIRC. Just hold the chokepoints and make sure not too many birdies get too close. And Mordecai was a partner for Rolf's joining chapter, and joined the next. |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 23 2007, 11:56 PM Post #41 |
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A better healer? It's already been pointed out how Tormod's 2 Move gave him an edge in that regard. I'm not sure what you're meaning by "design". |
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| KJ456 | Feb 23 2007, 11:58 PM Post #42 |
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I like the way she looks, moreso than Tormod. >_> And she has Shade and considerably more time to build a staff level on him. |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 12:00 AM Post #43 |
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Considering that, when you don't powerlevel her, she shouldn't even be promoted by the time Tormod joins, not really. I'd rather powerlevel Soren and raise his Staff level, so I have a better attacker and equivalent healer. |
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| KJ456 | Feb 24 2007, 12:02 AM Post #44 |
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Even when I don't powerlevel her, she promotes before Tormy ever shows up. >_> And she still has Shade over Soren, not to mention that you have to neglect his offense a fair bit to make him use physic and the like. |
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| Puffy | Feb 24 2007, 12:02 AM Post #45 |
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Nobody's a better healer than Tormod or Mist (actually, Mist has crappy MAG, so it's almost a tossup), and Soren will get to promotion faster than Illy, given equal attention. She wouldn't be my choice for a healer, but sure, she can do it alright. Rhys is somewhere in the middle of all this; he's fairly sturdy, and can make good single hits. Can't double worth crap, though. If we're talking about character designs, Tormod wears shorts (comfy and easy to wear FTW), has the non-purple Sage model, and doesn't have a skanky-short skirt. Gender bias tends to go both ways. =/ |
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| KJ456 | Feb 24 2007, 12:09 AM Post #46 |
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Mist has crap for offense, though. Illers can still deliver a solid hit, if not two, when needed. Rhys hits a bit harder, but has terrible str/def and is outspeeded by Ilyana even ignoring AS loss. While I make the opposite argument for Tormod/Soren and Mist, I consider them to be extremes (Tormod and Soren should be used offensively, and Mist not at all >_>). Ilyana has a nice balance of offense, defense and joining time, not to mention Shade. She has never died on me, ever, but it might just be because it suits my personal playing style. And before anyone mentions powerleveling, I only did that after learning of Mist/Rhys' lategame capabilities. EDIT: I <3 Illers' palette, personally. |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 12:16 AM Post #47 |
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Mist's attack strength can actually rival Rhys', given she can doubles constantly while Rhys nearly can't double, period but their offense isn't exactly what you use them for, anyway. I still don't see what makes Ilyana more suited to staves than Soren or Tormod, which can be backup healers as effective as Ilyana, and deliver more offense power than her. Shade, if anything, denies her possible counterattack EXP that would help in raising her. |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 12:18 AM Post #48 |
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...the heck? She averages 17.5 Mag at 20/1, and maxes it on average. EDIT : And sorry for double-posting, I saw that afterwards. |
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| Puffy | Feb 24 2007, 12:25 AM Post #49 |
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It's crappy, in that she can't always heal units to full with Heal. However, Mend usually negates that. It's not really important. Anyway, I'm not interested in Mist's offensive capabilities, because they're awful, and purely there so she can counter or do something in an off-round. I can't speak for a practical Mist, because 19 of her current 21 levels were manipulated personally, so she wouldn't be a walking target. |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 12:29 AM Post #50 |
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If 17.5 Mag at 20/1 is crappy, then Tormod's Magic is crappy as well. He averages 17.85 at the same level. And his growth is lower. |
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| KJ456 | Feb 24 2007, 12:36 AM Post #51 |
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If you want Illers to counterattack, just put her in the range of enemies that can't reach anyone else. Not that hard. The reason I enjoy making Illers a healer is basically that her speed growth hurts her offense at later levels, making her worse than Tormod and Soren offensively, but her magic is still perfectly decent (only stat that influences actual healing), and she's the most durable of the bunch (except maybe Mist, but she has nastier issues of her own). If you were to raise Tormod or Soren's staff level, you'd also be neglecting the offense of one of your better damage dealers, while Illers' growths and skill practically beg that she's converted to a healer. EDIT: I think she's referring to her sucktastic base, Shrimpers. >_> |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 12:38 AM Post #52 |
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Mist has... nastier issues of her own? Which are? Having a decent staff level without having to heavily invest in her staff using? Having good supports with some of the game's best characters? |
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| KJ456 | Feb 24 2007, 12:42 AM Post #53 |
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A horrible magic base and the worst in-game offense? And she has to use staves as much as Illers, though she admittedly starts earlier. Not to mention that the only good units she supports are ones I hate or dislike. >_> |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 12:48 AM Post #54 |
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Horrible magic base? Yeah, it's low. Her healing is gonna be rather bad at this point. Ilyana has better Mag. Too bad she can't heal pre-promotion, and that when they promote, Mist has caught up in Mag thanks to her +4 Mag upon promoting. Horrible offense? I already pointed out how it rivals Rhys at the very least, she doubles reliably and can use Steel Swords right off the bat. It's low, but not abysmal as some make it out to be. Plus, you use her as a healer anyway. And she does a way better job at that. You not liking, say, Jill doesn't remove the fact that she's currently considered one of the, if not the best unit of the game (I distinctly remember Jill sitting on the top of the GFAQs Tier List), and her support with Mist is quite effective and gives full Def. Also, higher movement rate and mounted move again ability make her a much more versatile healer than Ilyana. |
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| KJ456 | Feb 24 2007, 01:02 AM Post #55 |
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Enemies actually have decent defense in FE9, and Rhys' mag is monstrous. Considering the average enemy's defense and resistance... Eh, she may equal him against lightly armored opponents, but he has quite a definite advantage against heavily armored ones, and most with medium, IIRC. Though I don't have any exact stats to go by. Rhys' offense is still pretty shabby, though. And she's an entire 4 points behind the second-weakest physical unit (assuming that's Mia, which I believe), upon promotion, with a lower growth. Ilyana has fairly decent supports, as well, and with units closer to her movement range. Supports are pretty overrated overall though. While it's true that Mist has mounted move and move again, it doesn't really give her that much of an advantage over Ilyana. The main advantage to it is that Mist can ride into the action, heal, and get out of there, right? Shade lets Illers stay in the action to the overall same effect, barring rushing off to a unit far from the main group. And she'll have physic for the most part. >_> |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 01:23 AM Post #56 |
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Mist still has the Sonic Sword option when she really needs to fight, which suddenly puts her offense on, say, Ilyana's level. Even better, since she doubles basically anything until quite late in the endgame. Two sonic swords have enough uses to cover most instances of when Mist REALLY needs to fight. Otherwise, she'll heal more effectively than Ilyana due to higher staff level, and she'll also have far better defenseive capabilities considering her dodging capacity and supports, which I don't see how they are overrated when A Jill will provide her a whole 3 Def, 1 Atk and 7 Dodge. And Jill desesperately wants Mist to support her. Boyd and Titania are solid second options Titania pumping Def more and Boyd pumping Atk, and they'd both like to have Mist as their supporters. Ilyana has Gatrie for a Def boost, but Gatrie has other options who're better than Ilyana, namely Marcia and Astrid, Zihark for a bit of Def and avoid, but Zihark will take Brom in priority for that limits her to a B. Mordy, Mia and Lucia are pretty mehish options. Plus, Gatrie and Zihark aren't as stellar as units compared to Jill, Titania and Boyd. |
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| Spotted Zebra | Feb 24 2007, 01:48 AM Post #57 |
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Mist also gains a little extra crit when she's near Ike, and vice versa--I think it's 10 crit if she's right next to him. It's not much, but it can make a big difference. |
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| KJ456 | Feb 24 2007, 02:10 AM Post #58 |
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Sonic swords are B level, though, while swords have a terrible, terrible wexp growth. Unless you're entirely neglecting Mist as a healer, she will most likely never reach that level without arms scrolls. Staff levels have no impact on the amount healed, and as long as Illers has physic, she doesn't really need anything else. And she still has Shade, which I'd say is better than Mist's dodge advantage, due to the miniscule amount of things that can counterattack her without magic. Then there's also the fact that Mist needs considerably more effort to use as a decent healer than Ilyana, thanks to her fairly shabby startoff. Illers should be promoted and building her staff level several chapters sooner than Mist has any offense at all, if no special attention is paid to either. Mist is practically useless without special attention, even. And I'd really rather not touch the subject of supports at all, seeing as they: Only give boosts after a given amount of chapters, and only when characters are fairly close Involve a considerably larger amount of characters, which means that arguing will either be far more subjective or messy All in all, don't give boosts that are that great, compared to the amount of effort involved in arguing them, and the importance most people attribute to them (I meant they were overrated in general, not just Mist's) Anyways, skimming across the subject: Gatrie/Ilyana: Regardless of whether or not Astrid and Marcia are better units, they're not better support choices for Gatrie. Their move and affinities clash horribly with Gatrie's and they will attract enemy fire if anywhere near him. Gatrie and Ilyana have the same move, same affinity (Gatrie benefits more from 2 def than 7 avoid or 1 atk), and, once again, Illers has Shade. Ilyana/Zihark: Even if he only Bs her, that's still 10 avoid and 1 def. Nothing to scoff at. Jill/Mist: Eh, their movement types aren't the best of matches, but I suppose that's all I can say without including my opinion of Jill. >_> Mist/Titania: While Titania is probably an Oifaye, I wouldn't say she matches up to the original Oifaye or Seth. And certainly isn't better than Gatrie or Zihark once promotion kicks in. Mist/Boyd: ...I feel largely the same way about Boyd I do about Jill, only a tad less. >_> |
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| Syphon Knight | Feb 24 2007, 02:37 AM Post #59 |
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Seth > Titania > Oifaye, relatively. Seth can solo FE8 while Oifaye is surpassed after the first chapter he appears. <_< Unless you only use subs, but that's for another discussion.
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 02:46 AM Post #60 |
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Swords gives as much WEXP as axes. This is FE9, where WEXP is independant on weapon weight, not FEABL. Steel Swords gives 2 WEXP per use, which get her up to B with 45 uses, which really is 23 battles, seeing as how her doubling ability is very high. On the subject of staff levels, Mist will be able to use Physic ages before Ilyana, since she doesn't have to wait until promotion to build her staff level. Shade is still a bother prepromotion, as it denies her needed EXP to catch up with the other members of your team, I'm willing to say it counterbalances Mist's dodge lead post-promo. Though Mist does indeed start much more underleveled than Ilyana she has a definite advantage the mage doesn't ; she draws EXP from a separate pool, healing. Unlike Ilyana, she can heal before promoting, which means she isn't taking away EXP from superior fighting units. Ilyana does, however, and fights less well than them. It's considerably easier to level Mist as she has much less competition than Ilyana as far as acquiring EXP goes. And that's supportless. If we go into support... Mist/Jill : Once she promotes they're easy to keep together, and anyway, unless the situation really demands it, you want your units to stay as close as possible to your healers. Mist/Titania : Titania has a spot for one of the best units in the game. Believe it or not, there were solid arguments that were made for her being better than Ike. Such arguments includes early game Jeigan utility, incredibly high growths making her stats stay excellent throughout the game (390% total growths, lol), best physical weapons (primary axes, secondary lances), mounted movement rate, etc. Mist/Boyd : Nothing against it save personal bias then. Ilyana/Gatrie : Gatrie doesn't exactly need the extra 2 Def while he can always use avoid or atk. There's also the fact that Brom is the General you'll usually want to use due to him being superior. Ilyana/Zihark : True. |
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| Soul | Feb 24 2007, 03:12 AM Post #61 |
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...That's like comparing apples to oranges. FE4 is on a much higher difficulty scale than FE8 and also FE4 has really uber units >_> |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 03:14 AM Post #62 |
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But regardless of how Oifaye fares, Titania really is superior to Seth utility-wise in their own game. |
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| Gigs | Feb 24 2007, 06:04 AM Post #63 |
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Titan's growths are that good? Maybe I should give her more of a use then the first couple of chapters next time... |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 06:54 AM Post #64 |
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Titania's growths : HP 80%, Str 45%, Mag 25%, Skl 60%, Spd 50%, Lck 45%, Def 40%, Res 45% Most FE9 prepromotes have higher growths than their unpromoted counterparts, as opposed to how it is on the GBA games. |
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| Puffy | Feb 24 2007, 07:38 AM Post #65 |
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O__________O Jesus. H. Christ. Why haven't I been using Mama Tita?! |
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| Tookie | Feb 24 2007, 07:44 AM Post #66 |
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And since I can't use Str and Mag in FE7, I get to make her growths EVEN BETTER. MARCUS NOW PWNS. |
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| Eusine | Feb 24 2007, 07:55 AM Post #67 |
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BRING ME MOAR SUICUNE~
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| Tookie | Feb 24 2007, 08:07 AM Post #68 |
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How did this topic go from my patch to a mass debate about the FE9 magic users? |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 08:15 AM Post #69 |
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<< And 50% hit? Uh, thanks, but no thanks. 100% to hit and 50% crit > 50% hit and 100% crit. 100 crit is a shiny number, but it's a statistical disadvantage against yourself in the end. Gamble is a stupid skill. And even then, you can do that with a Swordmaster, who will actually also be able to counterattack as well as having that shiny number that is ultimately useless. |
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| Iron Shaman | Feb 24 2007, 09:19 AM Post #70 |
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Uh, Shrimpy, my Rolf has had well over 70 hit even with Gamble. >_> To be honest, I think debating which character is best is ultimately a waste of time, but you guys know that. |
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| Tookie | Feb 24 2007, 09:25 AM Post #71 |
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On a side note, this topic's off topicness saddens me, and yay for topic 777 in this board. |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 09:33 AM Post #72 |
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I don't really see how it's more of a waste of time than practically anything else we do on this board, really. >_> |
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| Tookie | Feb 24 2007, 09:46 AM Post #73 |
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So, patch, discuss, etc... |
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| Iron Shaman | Feb 24 2007, 09:48 AM Post #74 |
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Ah. You make a valid point. >_> *Mindlessly rants that Ilyana and Rolf > all* |
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| Tookie | Feb 24 2007, 09:54 AM Post #75 |
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Why must you deviate from the topic? |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 09:55 AM Post #76 |
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What the hell is there to discuss? You're giving FE7 chars FE9 growths, and the patch isn't done yet. >_> |
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| Tookie | Feb 24 2007, 09:56 AM Post #77 |
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Uh, my character assignments? Seriously, I got better responses from Neoseeker. |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 09:59 AM Post #78 |
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Well then, where are Brom, Nephenee and Astrid, for starters? |
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| Tookie | Feb 24 2007, 10:00 AM Post #79 |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 10:08 AM Post #80 |
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That one made me XD. |
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| Puffy | Feb 24 2007, 10:09 AM Post #81 |
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Pardon, but I seem compelled to argue against people who don't seem to appreciate Tormod as much as they should. You could call me the shotacon to contrast lolicon!KJ, but it's actually the fact that he wears a pair of shorts well that seems to draw me in. (I'm not notably fond of Ray, Chad, or Nils, for example.) Also, Nephenee is going to be the best unit in the game, if only for the fact that she'll be walking around as Hector the Awesome's replacement. |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 10:14 AM Post #82 |
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She'll still suffer from the Spd cap ramming syndrome that could've gone somewhere else. >> |
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| Puffy | Feb 24 2007, 10:16 AM Post #83 |
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I could care less; if her SPD is good, her SPD is good. It's not the FEABL, where growth actually could have been placed in another stat. |
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| Tookie | Feb 24 2007, 10:21 AM Post #84 |
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She's getting Halberdier caps. *cackles* |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 10:21 AM Post #85 |
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But her other stats aren't that good, though. Also, rather crappy class (though I dunno what SM is gonna do with that, seeing as there's no Halberdier in FE7). |
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| Puffy | Feb 24 2007, 10:24 AM Post #86 |
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It's better than giving her Soldier caps, whatever they might be. Nephenee's draw is, of course, funtioning as a General on wheels, without the armor weakness. Stick her somewhere and forget about her, that's the kind of unit I like. |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 10:29 AM Post #87 |
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She doesn't nearly have any Generalish defense. I'l take KW Brom over her anyday. >_> |
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| Puffy | Feb 24 2007, 10:33 AM Post #88 |
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Even if she doesn't, she's got enough that she may as well. The difference between 25 and 30 DEF is absolutely nothing, if the enemy has 24 ATK. That, and the fact that she won't lag behind the other units. Much more convenient to plug up holes. Besides, if you're daft like me, she'll be holding the Knight's Crest(?), and then she will have General defense. Brom and Nephy should be working together, in any case. |
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| Tookie | Feb 24 2007, 10:38 AM Post #89 |
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Great Lord is getting Halby Caps. |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 10:40 AM Post #90 |
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Neph has a base def of 9, base Def EXP of 30, a 35% Def growth and a +2 bonus on promo. Assuming fixed mode, she'll hit 22.5 Def at 20/20. It's nothing to be impressed at. Also, giving the Knight Ward to Nephenee is a waste, but I suppose you don't know about it's "secret" effect. >_> When I was referring to KW Brom, it meant Knight Ward Brom. Because that thing does« something much better than only giving +2 Def/Res ; it raises you Speed Growth by 30%. Which is a total waste on Nephenee since it gives her an overkill 85% Spd growth ; she's capping it, anyway. However, using it on Brom means he suddenly has a 55% Spd growth and that he's hitting his Spd cap on avergae with it. >_> |
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| Puffy | Feb 24 2007, 10:53 AM Post #91 |
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It should figure that the Nephenee I have has 25 DEF at 20/7, and no, I didn't abuse her stats for that. (That would be my 14 STR 20/3 Mist, but let's not talk about that.) I don't see why anyone would want to play fixed, in any case; BEXP was meant to be abused. It's not a matter of Brom VS Nephy, it's the fact that Nephy has a combined SPD and DEF total to make her effective. You can throw as many numbers at me as you want, but it doesn't make it less practical to have Nephenee hold a point on the map. Even if she were to cap something at 20/1, which somebody would certainly find room to complain about, the fact is that she capped something, and that's actually good. And if you're not using anybody else applicable (and even if you are), you may as well give it to Nephenee and kick-start her SPD during a level. Then pass it off to someone else. It's not too hard to grasp. |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 11:13 AM Post #92 |
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In BEXP levels, pasing the KW around is applicable, and well, it should be done for the units that can use it, obviously. In chapters, less so, so the General is usually getting it - unless you don't use one, of course. I'm not trying to argue that Nephy isn't a good unit. She's decent, but not excellent when compared to a lot of units, who have also that said combined Spd and Def to be quite effective. And the fact that I'm complaining about her cap is the because it's kinda low for what Nephenee could achieve. Capping something isn't always good, I recall yourself complaining about the fact Tormod capped the 10 Def cap of mages before promoting ; caps do exactly that, they sometimes limit the potential of a unit. And when a unit like Neph rams that cap hard even on average, it's sad that well, she couldn't reach higher, because if she did, she'd actually outclass a lot of other units because she'd have the ability to double virtually anything. What counts is the number, not the fact that it's the cap or not ; all a cap does is make the number shiny green and stop the unit of improving in that stat. |
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| Puffy | Feb 24 2007, 11:23 AM Post #93 |
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The cap of 10 was bothersome, in the sense that in modern FEs, at least, the unpromoted cap was 20. Tormod isn't supposed to hit that cap, before or after promotion (20), in any case. Different story altogether. (I do wish I could abuse his DEF into the low 20's though, because it's my personal, irrelevant goal to make that kid invincible.) Nephy's cap is a high enough number that I haven't hit it yet, and that's more or less all I care about. 26 is enough, because even though she could certainly go higher, it's all she needs in a normal situation. It's the difference between being balanced and broken, and Nephenee still winds up being good. Any decent character would benefit from having higher caps somewhere or another. |
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| Abyssal_Shrimp | Feb 24 2007, 11:35 AM Post #94 |
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I don't see how Tormod's case is a different story, both are the same situation ; the unit's growth is hindered by the fact that there is a cap that stops it from becoming better. Just because a cap is higher still means the same thing. 26 speed is still okay, but given her lowish Str as compared to a lot of units (less Str than Zihark isn't anything to be proud of). What the cap does is nullify Neph's main advantage against other units who have slightly lower Speed but end up catching up to her because she cap rams her 26 and the other get to that same 26 number while having better HP, Str and/or Def than her. And of course, while higher caps would benefit other people, Nephenee is one of the most blatant examples of cap ramming of this game, capping Spd on average at 20/11. |
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| Serene Steelzard | Feb 24 2007, 11:52 AM Post #95 |
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*is late but will state my feelings anyway* ...You think Soren is boring? I'd rather have him then a damned idiot who's always hungry. And Tormod comes too late, if you've been using either Ilyana or Soren they'll be a way higher level, possibly ready to promote or already promoted. And not to mention Soren is the best statistically overall and has the best joining time being brought in right at the start of the game. If Tormod got better stats then Soren, I'd consider using him. But he doesn't, so what's the point? I've had Soren for about 12 chapters before he even comes and he comes at a low level. I'd rather save my BEXP for Mist or Rolf. Also, both Astrid and Rolf need BEXP at the start. And both are excellent bow users for different reasons. Though Astrid is ahead for me because she's a paladin and paladins are frigging uber in FE9. She can use two types of weapons, Rolf only gets one but he gets a critical bonus which sorta balances that out. I think she's got better stats, but I'm not too sure on that. She also requires half the BEXP/EXP that Rolf does due to her skill. That means that levelling her up until she can hold her own effectively is very, very easy. As for Nephenee, she rules. Nuff said. |
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| Tookie | Feb 24 2007, 11:56 AM Post #96 |
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I'd rather my Mages didn't wear purple bathrobes when they promoted. *shot* |
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| Iron Shaman | Feb 24 2007, 11:57 AM Post #97 |
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He's a hundred times more interesting than Erk, I'll give him that, but I still don't really like him. Of course, he's nothing compared to Shinon, who needs to be roasted alive. >_> And yes, Soren is definately the most statistically powerful, but since I love killing off Raven in FE7, stats mean nothing to me. >_> |
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| Tookie | Feb 24 2007, 11:57 AM Post #98 |
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... I am never posting topics in this forum again. |
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| Iron Shaman | Feb 24 2007, 11:58 AM Post #99 |
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ha ha ha
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XD Poor SM. To be honest, I don't see much to discuss. >_>;; |
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| Serene Steelzard | Feb 24 2007, 11:58 AM Post #100 |
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... uh-huh.
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...And with that last sentence I've lost all respect for you, IS. |
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