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| Idea: Weighted free points; *holds up flame shield* | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 5 2009, 04:00 PM (160 Views) | |
| Seth | Nov 5 2009, 04:00 PM Post #1 |
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Son of a submariner!
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This has probably been done to death before, but I am proposing a weighted system for adding free points to a character's base stats. This is because a point in one stat is not always the equivalent of a point in another...frankly, I'm not positive that the ratios I've chosen to employ are accurate, either, and this can obviously be changed, but here's what I'd like to propose: 48 free points HP/Skl/Luck cost 2 points Str/Res cost 3 points Spd/Def cost 4 points And Con...well, that one would be tough, since each extra point of Con is worth less and less as you add more. I was originally going to suggest 4 points, but I think it might deserve only 3. Either way is fine, and obviously there will be discussion. Basically, this allows the following setups: 12 Spd/Def: Character maximizes the heaviest stats and therefore loses some points compared to what we have now. 16 Str/Res: Character maximizes mid-level stats and therefore has the same amount of points as what we have now. 24 HP/Skl/Luck: Character maximizes lightest stats and therefore has more points than what we have now. Or some mix, like 2HP/2Str/3Skl/3Spd/2Def/2Res/3Luck, which gets 17 points, 1 more than now. In essence, this doesn't change much for people who balance their characters' stats out, but it prevents people from ridiculously high important stats for no penalty. Obviously we'd have to have limits for some of these, like no more than 16 point in any particular stat, since a Wyvern Rider with +24 HP would be a complete terror until it hit the Spd cap after promotion. Also, please no "battling is dead lol" or anything like that. This is intended to be serious, but it concerns the forum's activities, which is why it is in F&I instead of SD. |
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Battling characters Lug, level 20/7 Alonso, level 19 Valerie, level 7 Pegasus Knight Jeremiah, level 6 Walter, level 20/1 Master Knight Retired characters Felix, level 20/20 Paladin: "More balanced than a Kellogg's breakfast." Fulmen, level 20/20 BUHZUHKUH: "Yar, Res be for the Recens, level 20/20 Meliana, level 20/20 Sage RP-onlies Byron's Fury, RP-only rival clan The Whisperwinds, RP-only Band of Thieves Kajan, RP-only Wyvern Master: "I'm going to rip him apart, and then I'm going to sew him up and do it again! Regala, RP-only Psychopathic Lancer
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| Lewa | Nov 5 2009, 04:29 PM Post #2 |
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Me: I think making things more complicated is a bad idea. And anyways, it doesn't really matter how a characters starts, they're all the same in the end. Unfortunately. |
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Sir Ris (Lvl 20/7 Paladin) Cassidy (Lvl 20/3 Templar) XEQ (Lvl 20/3 Sniper) Jael (Lvl 15 Swanson Brot (Lvl 7 Squire) | |
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| Dragoncross Soul | Nov 5 2009, 05:40 PM Post #3 |
I'mma crush you!
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But how a character ends is irrelevant really. How a character progresses to that point is most important. As for the system, meh. Even if you change the base stat distribution, it only encourages more insane growth rates so it really doesn't change much in the long run. |
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| Seth | Nov 5 2009, 06:47 PM Post #4 |
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Son of a submariner!
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What about weighted growth distributions as well, then? |
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Battling characters Lug, level 20/7 Alonso, level 19 Valerie, level 7 Pegasus Knight Jeremiah, level 6 Walter, level 20/1 Master Knight Retired characters Felix, level 20/20 Paladin: "More balanced than a Kellogg's breakfast." Fulmen, level 20/20 BUHZUHKUH: "Yar, Res be for the Recens, level 20/20 Meliana, level 20/20 Sage RP-onlies Byron's Fury, RP-only rival clan The Whisperwinds, RP-only Band of Thieves Kajan, RP-only Wyvern Master: "I'm going to rip him apart, and then I'm going to sew him up and do it again! Regala, RP-only Psychopathic Lancer
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| Groundmega Michael | Nov 5 2009, 06:55 PM Post #5 |
ofux
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I would like to say I endorse this idea wholeheartedly as my orgasming over the system being used in Agarest should suggest, and would come up with some ideas to help balance this if I wasn't so bloody tired and could actually balance things. =\ |
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| Spotted Zebra | Nov 5 2009, 06:59 PM Post #6 |
The Yellow Rose.
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I saw this on the index and thought it was your topic for that reason, Tookie. >.> If we did a weighted point system, it seems to me that we should make growth rates weighted, as well. That was suggested years ago after people noticed that FE7 characters nearly always have HP rates above 50%, whereas here it's not uncommon for a character to have a rate of 30%. I don't have much of an opinion either way. I do like the current system just because it's what I'm used to and easier to use, though. A weighted system could confuse people easily. |
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| Dragoncross Soul | Nov 5 2009, 08:38 PM Post #7 |
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I'mma crush you!
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(tbh) (I think it's too late to do something like that) (Due to, yunno, the number of characters already in existance) (Unless you reset everything but people don't want that apparently) |
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| Flowerlix | Nov 5 2009, 08:41 PM Post #8 |
Steelix went to get some colors.
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Not only is it completely unrectonnable, it's pretty much an entirely artificial change. |
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Xiella, level 20/8 Nomad Trooper Denel, level 20/4 Druid Kruen, level 20/4 Berserker Tancred, level 23 Tangrowth Fernand, level 2 Knight RETIRED Raedul, level 20/20 Paladin
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| Seth | Nov 5 2009, 10:24 PM Post #9 |
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Son of a submariner!
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Who said anything about retcons? Overall it's still a comparable system with the free points, and if we weigh the growths appropriately, it could be very fair there as well. |
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Battling characters Lug, level 20/7 Alonso, level 19 Valerie, level 7 Pegasus Knight Jeremiah, level 6 Walter, level 20/1 Master Knight Retired characters Felix, level 20/20 Paladin: "More balanced than a Kellogg's breakfast." Fulmen, level 20/20 BUHZUHKUH: "Yar, Res be for the Recens, level 20/20 Meliana, level 20/20 Sage RP-onlies Byron's Fury, RP-only rival clan The Whisperwinds, RP-only Band of Thieves Kajan, RP-only Wyvern Master: "I'm going to rip him apart, and then I'm going to sew him up and do it again! Regala, RP-only Psychopathic Lancer
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| Soldier | Nov 5 2009, 11:25 PM Post #10 |
pej
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I have no feelings on this matter, but I'd say Skl is more important than Res here, when you consider how many characters have like, 100 or more of their growth points put into Spd and Luck combined. |
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| Seth | Nov 5 2009, 11:29 PM Post #11 |
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Son of a submariner!
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While I agree that Skl is generally more important on this board, the fact remains that 1 Res > 1 HP whenever your opponent will need more than one hit to kill you, assuming they use magic. Of course, many people choose to use Res or Luck as their "dump stat," but that doesn't make it suddenly a bad stat; it just means that it works in the current system the way it is. Otherwise, 1 HP = 1 Res = 0.5 Def...eh, I don't have a particular preference, I suppose. |
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Battling characters Lug, level 20/7 Alonso, level 19 Valerie, level 7 Pegasus Knight Jeremiah, level 6 Walter, level 20/1 Master Knight Retired characters Felix, level 20/20 Paladin: "More balanced than a Kellogg's breakfast." Fulmen, level 20/20 BUHZUHKUH: "Yar, Res be for the Recens, level 20/20 Meliana, level 20/20 Sage RP-onlies Byron's Fury, RP-only rival clan The Whisperwinds, RP-only Band of Thieves Kajan, RP-only Wyvern Master: "I'm going to rip him apart, and then I'm going to sew him up and do it again! Regala, RP-only Psychopathic Lancer
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| Soldier | Nov 5 2009, 11:39 PM Post #12 |
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pej
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Yeah, I didn't look at it that way. |
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| Flowerlix | Nov 6 2009, 12:53 AM Post #13 |
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Steelix went to get some colors.
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You're throwing yourself into stat hell. |
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Xiella, level 20/8 Nomad Trooper Denel, level 20/4 Druid Kruen, level 20/4 Berserker Tancred, level 23 Tangrowth Fernand, level 2 Knight RETIRED Raedul, level 20/20 Paladin
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| Seth | Nov 6 2009, 03:01 AM Post #14 |
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Son of a submariner!
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Willingly, though. |
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Battling characters Lug, level 20/7 Alonso, level 19 Valerie, level 7 Pegasus Knight Jeremiah, level 6 Walter, level 20/1 Master Knight Retired characters Felix, level 20/20 Paladin: "More balanced than a Kellogg's breakfast." Fulmen, level 20/20 BUHZUHKUH: "Yar, Res be for the Recens, level 20/20 Meliana, level 20/20 Sage RP-onlies Byron's Fury, RP-only rival clan The Whisperwinds, RP-only Band of Thieves Kajan, RP-only Wyvern Master: "I'm going to rip him apart, and then I'm going to sew him up and do it again! Regala, RP-only Psychopathic Lancer
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| Dragoncross Soul | Nov 6 2009, 03:04 AM Post #15 |
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I'mma crush you!
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Well I'm not willing to go through with it >:( |
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My FEABL profile Rowan; lvl. 20/13 Crusader Rin; lvl. 20/4 Druidess Ria; lvl. 20/3 Halberdier Jarro; lvl. 12 Mage Fighter Frost; lvl. 20/1 Phalanx Retired: Krys, Lizzie, Kratos, Ruby, Amery, Fairah, Grimliss, Azrael, Hanz RP Only: Sarah Join SRP! The SRT based battle board with lots of explosions and things! *Disclaimer* Dead Tales of The Abyss, FEABL Style, fun stuff! Nobilis profile
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| Seth | Nov 6 2009, 03:08 AM Post #16 |
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Son of a submariner!
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Then you don't have to. |
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Battling characters Lug, level 20/7 Alonso, level 19 Valerie, level 7 Pegasus Knight Jeremiah, level 6 Walter, level 20/1 Master Knight Retired characters Felix, level 20/20 Paladin: "More balanced than a Kellogg's breakfast." Fulmen, level 20/20 BUHZUHKUH: "Yar, Res be for the Recens, level 20/20 Meliana, level 20/20 Sage RP-onlies Byron's Fury, RP-only rival clan The Whisperwinds, RP-only Band of Thieves Kajan, RP-only Wyvern Master: "I'm going to rip him apart, and then I'm going to sew him up and do it again! Regala, RP-only Psychopathic Lancer
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| Dragoncross Soul | Nov 6 2009, 03:17 AM Post #17 |
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I'mma crush you!
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Good Idea closed <_< >_> (Seriously though, I meant the whole thing in general, not just number crunching until you come up with something feasible) |
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My FEABL profile Rowan; lvl. 20/13 Crusader Rin; lvl. 20/4 Druidess Ria; lvl. 20/3 Halberdier Jarro; lvl. 12 Mage Fighter Frost; lvl. 20/1 Phalanx Retired: Krys, Lizzie, Kratos, Ruby, Amery, Fairah, Grimliss, Azrael, Hanz RP Only: Sarah Join SRP! The SRT based battle board with lots of explosions and things! *Disclaimer* Dead Tales of The Abyss, FEABL Style, fun stuff! Nobilis profile
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| Flowerlix | Nov 6 2009, 02:15 PM Post #18 |
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Steelix went to get some colors.
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If you're willing, I'm all ears. Your first suggestion isn't satisfactory, though. |
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Xiella, level 20/8 Nomad Trooper Denel, level 20/4 Druid Kruen, level 20/4 Berserker Tancred, level 23 Tangrowth Fernand, level 2 Knight RETIRED Raedul, level 20/20 Paladin
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